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post #1 of 47
2/5/10 at 1:13pm
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Does it bother anyone else to watch our president giving a speech to the nation when he is dressed so casually. Personally, I believe the office of President of the United States commands a certain dress code which includes shirt, tie, suit, when addressing the people of this country.
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post #2 of 47
2/5/10 at 1:39pm
It doesn't bother me. I think he dresses the way he should for certain occasions. He dresses up and dresses down for whichever occasion he is addressing. Dressing down makes him appear more approachable and more human.
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post #3 of 47
2/5/10 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by mismaris777 View Post
It doesn't bother me. I think he dresses the way he should for certain occasions. He dresses up and dresses down for whichever occasion he is addressing. Dressing down makes him appear more approachable and more human.
I think he should dress for the occasion. If he is on vacation with his family, it is fine for him to "dress down". When he is in the public eye of this country, I think he should look like a President, not the average Joe you would see on the street.
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post #4 of 47
2/5/10 at 4:52pm
I'm not American, but it doesn't bother me to see your president looking a little casual - I even prefer it to dressing up which I find too stuffy.

Wouldn't even bother me if our PM came out in a pair of stubbies and thongs Just like the average Joe.
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post #5 of 47
2/5/10 at 5:06pm
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I'm not American, but it doesn't bother me to see your president looking a little casual - I even prefer it to dressing up which I find too stuffy.

Wouldn't even bother me if our PM came out in a pair of stubbies and thongs Just like the average Joe.
haha sorry when u said "average Joe" it just reminded me of Sarah Palin's "joe the plumber" junk that she always preached about... its funny because the wisconsin accent is just like her accent so it was an inside joke between my friend and I and we would just butcher those words with a heavy duty accent. It was one of those "had to be there" things

Like I like the difference in his dress from his state of the union address to his casual rolled up sleeves town hall or school conference/meetings/speeches/whatever ya call them. In business/politics, the reason why politicians will do that is because they want to make themselves seem more human and more approachable. I can guarantee you that it's not done for his comfort- there is always a lot of thought that is put behind his or any other politician's clothing.

BTW... can anyone explain to me what stubbies are? I know what thongs are (flip flops) but not stubbies. I'm guessing shorts?
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post #6 of 47
2/5/10 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Does it bother anyone else to watch our president giving a speech to the nation when he is dressed so casually. Personally, I believe the office of President of the United States commands a certain dress code which includes shirt, tie, suit, when addressing the people of this country.
Many, many years ago when we nurses were starting to get away from the starched white uniform and cap, patients would complain about us wearing colors and scrubs. When they did, I would say, "The uniform does not make the nurse, the nurse makes the uniform!"

Remember Hitler and Napoleon were always dressed "professionally."

Obama probably has the most stressful job in the world, if it helps his mental health to dress "down" occasionally, good for him. No matter what your political stripes, I think we all want a president with good mental health!
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post #7 of 47
2/5/10 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by mismaris777 View Post
It doesn't bother me. I think he dresses the way he should for certain occasions. He dresses up and dresses down for whichever occasion he is addressing. Dressing down makes him appear more approachable and more human.
Of course, and that is exactly why he does it.
Just a ploy, nothing more. Barack is SO out of touch with the average American it is unbelievable.

If it is all just for the sake of appearances (and that is what it is IMO) for Barack, one thing he could do that would help IMMENSELY is,
GET HIS NOSE OUT OF THE AIR.

That man ALWAYS has his flipping nose in the air, someone needs to tell him it makes him look like an utter snob.

But he may not want to hear it from an old midwestern, bitter, bible clinging, gun totin', conservative.
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post #8 of 47
2/5/10 at 7:44pm
I personally don't care if he rolls his sleeves or goes wihout a tie. Ties are on their way out anyways. Very few people wear them outside of congress, court or a wedding ceremony anymore. How long has it been since anyone saw a real 3 piece suit (jacket trousers vest)?

The clothing people deem acceptable to wear in certain settings changes over time, as someone who made a very good example of nurses uniforms earlier pointed out.

Generally the movement, particularly with men's clothes, is garments to be accepted for use in more fomal settings until finally they fossilize into place. What we now know as a suit jacket was once an informal garment reserved for outdoor activities and sporting events 100 years ago. But I don't see anyone asking barack Obama to put on a frock coat.

I would mind more if he looked ungroomed, rather than how he dresses.
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post #9 of 47
2/5/10 at 7:54pm
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Of course, and that is exactly why he does it.
Just a ploy, nothing more. Barack is SO out of touch with the average American it is unbelievable.

If it is all just for the sake of appearances (and that is what it is IMO) for Barack, one thing he could do that would help IMMENSELY is,
GET HIS NOSE OUT OF THE AIR.

That man ALWAYS has his flipping nose in the air, someone needs to tell him it makes him look like an utter snob.

But he may not want to hear it from an old midwestern, bitter, bible clinging, gun totin', conservative.
I hate to tell you but "Midwestern, bitter, bible clinging, gun totin', conservative"s are not "the average American".
I almost hate to ask, but when you say "nose in the air", do you mean literally? Or are you referring to a personality or characteristic displayed when he addresses the nation?
As far as the original question "Does it bother anyone else to watch our president giving a speech to the nation when he is dressed so casually." It doesn't bother me at all. Put a suite and tie on Krusty the Clown won't help me believe his presidential address.
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post #10 of 47
2/5/10 at 7:58pm
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Of course, and that is exactly why he does it.
Just a ploy, nothing more. Barack is SO out of touch with the average American it is unbelievable.

If it is all just for the sake of appearances (and that is what it is IMO) for Barack, one thing he could do that would help IMMENSELY is,
GET HIS NOSE OUT OF THE AIR.

That man ALWAYS has his flipping nose in the air, someone needs to tell him it makes him look like an utter snob.

But he may not want to hear it from an old midwestern, bitter, bible clinging, gun totin', conservative.
Please do NOT twist my words.....
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post #11 of 47
2/5/10 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by cheylink View Post
I hate to tell you but "Midwestern, bitter, bible clinging, gun totin', conservative"s are not "the average American".
I almost hate to ask, but when you say "nose in the air", do you mean literally? Or are you referring to a personality or characteristic displayed when he addresses the nation?
As far as the original question "Does it bother anyone else to watch our president giving a speech to the nation when he is dressed so casually." It doesn't bother me at all. Put a suite and tie on Krusty the Clown won't help me believe his presidential address.
Haha thats funny that you mention krusty the clown- I'm watching The Simpsons right now..... just found that ironic
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post #12 of 47
2/6/10 at 5:37am
Nope. Doesn't bother me a bit. I like it.
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post #13 of 47
2/6/10 at 5:46am
I see it as situational. Formal meetings and scheduled speeches, in my opinion, do require an image of professionalism that a suit presents. But, there is a time, place and situation for everything, including rolling up the sleeves and gettin' to work.
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post #14 of 47
2/6/10 at 6:24am
The rolling up the sleeves is a big thing with politicians at the moment, the Premier here (although he does tend to have a tie) often takes off his jacket when doing speeches. The number of photos of him loosening his tie, rolling up his sleeves and 'getting down to work' is crazy.

As others have said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest, I work around politicians a lot and they are not in suits 100% of the time, it doesn't make me respect them any less and I don't respect them any more when they are in a suit. I go by their ideas and their policies and how they go about getting those done rather than how they are dressed.

I would expect a leader to look the part when meeting with a visiting dignitary but other than that, who cares as long as they look presentable. I don't get this whole notion of holding people on a pedestal and expecting them to look and act perfect. I thought people wanted Obama because he was bringing about change and not just a 'stuffy suit'
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post #15 of 47
2/6/10 at 8:15am
Personally if someone is trying to address the country and speak to everyone I would prefer for him to be comfortable rather than seem stuffy and stuck up. A suit and tie to me comes across as stuffy and rigid. So for me whatever floats his boat is good enough when he is making a speech!
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post #16 of 47
2/6/10 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by cheylink View Post
I hate to tell you but "Midwestern, bitter, bible clinging, gun totin', conservative"s are not "the average American".
I almost hate to ask, but when you say "nose in the air", do you mean literally? Or are you referring to a personality or characteristic displayed when he addresses the nation?
As far as the original question "Does it bother anyone else to watch our president giving a speech to the nation when he is dressed so casually." It doesn't bother me at all. Put a suite and tie on Krusty the Clown won't help me believe his presidential address.
Are you serious? Really? No one can tell me, in all honesty, that they have not noticed Barack, with his nose in the air, literally, while giving speeches.

It is so obvious, it cannot be missed.
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post #17 of 47
2/6/10 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by mismaris777 View Post
Please do NOT twist my words.....
I didn't twist your words, didn't you write this:
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Dressing down makes him appear more approachable and more human
I merely agreed with you and gave my opinion as to why.


It takes much more than literally rolling up one's sleeves to get to work. Wow, he rolled up his sleeves!
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post #18 of 47
2/6/10 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by 3CatsN1Dog View Post
Personally if someone is trying to address the country and speak to everyone I would prefer for him to be comfortable rather than seem stuffy and stuck up. A suit and tie to me comes across as stuffy and rigid. So for me whatever floats his boat is good enough when he is making a speech!
Getting his nose out of the air would help.
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post #19 of 47
2/6/10 at 10:09am
I've NEVER seen his nose in the air and considering how short I am I would have noticed! The only place I've seen Barrack's nose is to the grindstone!

He has his faults and I do not agree with him 100%, and he was not my first choice for president. but I see no evidence of snobbery. Compassion and snobbery are not mutual attributes and I think Barrack is a compassionate person.

All of us can be a bit delusional when we hate or adore someone--translated: we see what we want to see when feelings run at the high or low end of the emotional spectrum, and rarely what we see is the whole truth.
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post #20 of 47
2/6/10 at 2:53pm
I don't get the nose in the air thing either.

I don't care what he wears. He always looks professional and well groomed, IMO.
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post #21 of 47
2/6/10 at 6:53pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1irQ9NZJwQ

Classic Barack @ :09 in the video.
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post #22 of 47
2/6/10 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Are you serious? Really? No one can tell me, in all honesty, that they have not noticed Barack, with his nose in the air, literally, while giving speeches.

It is so obvious, it cannot be missed.
Well I'm missing it.... I honestly have NEVER seen him with his nose in the air. I've also never heard anyone speak about him having his nose in the air. And I talk a lot with people that didn't want him in office to begin with, especially my parents.... they along with everyone else I know have never brought this up. (I had TOTALLY different opinions than my parents during the elections lol- I think I remember telling them that I would much rather have an orangutan or ape or something in office than the whole McCain/Palin thing... )
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post #23 of 47
2/6/10 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1irQ9NZJwQ

Classic Barack @ :09 in the video.
Ok... I just find this funny... This is not accurate, just as watching only Fox news is not accurate news coverage (gotta watch a little bit of everything). Most of the clips in that video are from Fox news . I watched this twice- the second time really trying to take a non-biased look at it and I can honestly say that I did not see that much negativity in it. Some of the things were just the way that the camera was shooting at the time, and other things were taken out of context therefore they were not accurate. You could do the same thing to Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc. and it would all look the same I think. It's just taking things out of context, and when you do that you can make a mountain out of a molehill in no time.

Just because you don't like Obama doesn't mean that you need everyone else to hate him or think negatively about him. What do you have to prove?????
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post #24 of 47
2/6/10 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Getting his nose out of the air would help.
Hes over 6 feet tall, if that's what you mean I really couldn't hold that against him.
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post #25 of 47
2/6/10 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by mismaris777 View Post
Ok... I just find this funny... This is not accurate, just as watching only Fox news is not accurate news coverage (gotta watch a little bit of everything). Most of the clips in that video are from Fox news . I watched this twice- the second time really trying to take a non-biased look at it and I can honestly say that I did not see that much negativity in it. Some of the things were just the way that the camera was shooting at the time, and other things were taken out of context therefore they were not accurate. You could do the same thing to Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc. and it would all look the same I think. It's just taking things out of context, and when you do that you can make a mountain out of a molehill in no time.

Just because you don't like Obama doesn't mean that you need everyone else to hate him or think negatively about him. What do you have to prove?????
Ummm, that picture of Barack at :09 has nothing to do with Fox News. That short video was a montage of stuff put together and it wasn't put together by Fox News. It just happened to have a few short clips from Fox in it.

What do you mean it wasn't "accurate" are you saying the picture was phony? I have seen Barack giving speeches with his nose in the air many times. Disagree all you want, that's cool, it is IMO after all. I'm saying the dude comes across as arrogant to me.

Now Michelle doesn't come off that way to me at all.
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post #26 of 47
2/7/10 at 1:14pm
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Ummm, that picture of Barack at :09 has nothing to do with Fox News. That short video was a montage of stuff put together and it wasn't put together by Fox News. It just happened to have a few short clips from Fox in it.

What do you mean it wasn't "accurate" are you saying the picture was phony? I have seen Barack giving speeches with his nose in the air many times. Disagree all you want, that's cool, it is IMO after all. I'm saying the dude comes across as arrogant to me.
I loved that video clip. If he had been standing outside in the rain, he would have drowned. I have a problem calling him President and I notice that a lot of other folks do to. They either call him Barack or Obama.
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post #27 of 47
2/7/10 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
I loved that video clip. If he had been standing outside in the rain, he would have drowned. I have a problem calling him President and I notice that a lot of other folks do to. They either call him Barack or Obama.
People gain a familiarity or informality with their presidents, that is why many people say or said, Obama, Bush, Ike, FDR, Bill, George W, JFK, Lincoln or Washington. There is no hidden psychological or mystical meaning behind that. "President" is rarely used. Give me a break, too funny!

Almost forgot-Dubya and Abe!
But you are correct about one president--James Polk, people always refer to him as PRESIDENT Polk--he must have been really well respected!
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post #28 of 47
2/8/10 at 4:21am
It is the only thing transparent in this administration. I can see right through this ploy to be the "regular guy".

It's good acting on his part. I believe he sees himself as anything but a regular guy.

Now if he could just bring his nose down a tad........
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post #29 of 47
2/8/10 at 9:04am
Yes and learn how to throw a baseball like a guy, for crying out loud.
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post #30 of 47
2/8/10 at 10:27am
I am not an Obama fan but a couple of observations

- no one is perfect, not even the president, if someone were to listen to every single word you said, tape your every move etc they would find your nose in the air at some point, a mispronounciation (we have all done it when public speaking or when passionate about a subject)

- I think we have moved past the time of using titles for everyone, its rare for anyone to call him President Barack Obama when most people say Obama and everyone knows who you are talking about - it is hardly a slap in his face that it needs to be pushed back into use. How often did people say Bush and not President Bush.

I personally think our Premier looks good when he has a suit with no tie, the whole roll the sleeves up thing annoys me, but only because I have watched photographers wait for him to do it before taking the photo - the look in itself doesnt bother me, just the non-meaning meaning behind it
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