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The "DO NOT USE" Drugs List at the vet's office, what's yours?

post #1 of 37
2/5/10 at 3:45am
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Bugsy will go back to the Dentist for his 30 day check up on the 16th, and since he is going under again, I want to make sure to update his files with the office (I am crossing my fingers he can have at least some extractions that day, at least his resorptive lesions )!!

Anyways, they do not use Metacam for cats - they use Buprenex. They do not use Ketamine either.

Aside from that, what is in your DO NOT USE, and why?

I will be updating both the dentist and the vet's files...

Thanks!
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post #2 of 37
2/5/10 at 5:28pm
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Ok, nobody??? Anybody??? Hello
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post #3 of 37
2/5/10 at 5:32pm
My list is the same as yours.
Also make sure they do not use any drug derived from ketamine.
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post #4 of 37
2/5/10 at 5:52pm
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Anyways, they do not use Metacam for cats
When Ally got hurt falling down from the second story of the house a little less than a year ago, they had me give her Metacam. I noticed that it said on the box "For dogs" but they told me it was ok.
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post #5 of 37
2/5/10 at 5:53pm
No Metacam. Neither the one time injection, or the oral medication NO metacam.

No Ketamine.

No clavamox (all three of my cats now have intolerance to clavamox)

No adjuvant rabies. (Purevax only)
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post #6 of 37
2/5/10 at 5:57pm
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When Ally got hurt falling down from the second story of the house a little less than a year ago, they had me give her Metacam. I noticed that it said on the box "For dogs" but they told me it was ok.
Metacam is known to cause Acute Kidney Failure in cats. It should never ever be given to cats without blood work to check kidney function first, and, in my opinion should never be given to cats at all.

http://is-it-true-that.askavetquesti...am-kills-cats/

http://www.metacamkills.com/
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post #7 of 37
2/5/10 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by LawGuy View Post
When Ally got hurt falling down from the second story of the house a little less than a year ago, they had me give her Metacam. I noticed that it said on the box "For dogs" but they told me it was ok.
I mean they do not give cats Metacam, they give cats Buprenex.
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post #8 of 37
2/5/10 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
Metacam is known to cause Acute Kidney Failure in cats. It should never ever be given to cats without blood work to check kidney function first, and, in my opinion should never be given to cats at all.

http://is-it-true-that.askavetquesti...am-kills-cats/

http://www.metacamkills.com/
Wow. The vet who prescribed it is actually pretty sharp and a friend of the family. I wonder if she knows this. Would it be rude of me to call her up and relay this?
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post #9 of 37
2/5/10 at 7:40pm
Coco had a metacam shot before we found out she had CRF.
She also gets sick on clavamox.
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post #10 of 37
2/5/10 at 7:56pm
My list is the same, no Metacam, definitely no Ketamine. I've not had any issues with Clavamox, though.
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post #11 of 37
2/5/10 at 8:03pm
No metacam... Usually no antibiotics unless post op or pre op... No RX foods unless I and the vet dont have another immediate option...
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post #12 of 37
2/5/10 at 8:20pm
For Hannah, it's no metacam, no steroids & no FVRCP booster(she has feline herpes), no food or treats with grains (again because of her herpes)

For Callie, it's definitely NO metacam (she has kidney problems).

For both, consult before buprenex or Convenia shot.
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post #13 of 37
2/5/10 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by stephanietx View Post
For Hannah, it's no metacam, no steroids & no FVRCP booster(she has feline herpes), no food or treats with grains (again because of her herpes)

For Callie, it's definitely NO metacam (she has kidney problems).

For both, consult before buprenex or Convenia shot.
stephanietx, why the consult before the Covenia shot? (my girl Helen had this shot several months ago...I don't like the shot because I don't think it works, but...what else should I know about it?)
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post #14 of 37
2/5/10 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by stephanietx View Post
For Hannah, it's no metacam, no steroids & no FVRCP booster(she has feline herpes), no food or treats with grains (again because of her herpes)
What's the deal with steroids and FVRCP boosters and Herpes? Never heard of a co-relation?
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post #15 of 37
2/5/10 at 9:13pm
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What's the deal with steroids and FVRCP boosters and Herpes? Never heard of a co-relation?
Id be interested in knowing this too. Last year when all of my cats had some kind of URI, it was suggested at the vet that it was probably herpes, and the l-lysine was prescribed. Now Tabbi has seemed to have a flare-up right after recieving vaccines. (I took her to a different vet for her shots than the vet I used when they were ill)

I thought the stress of going to the vet is what may have caused it.. but could it be the vaccine itself that caused an issue?
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post #16 of 37
2/5/10 at 9:28pm
The shots can cause it.
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post #17 of 37
2/5/10 at 9:32pm
so the shots themselves are probably what made her sick? I had a debate with the vet about whether or not to vaccinate too, she's an indoor cat so I felt she did not need it, but he was adamant about it and insisted I could carry diseases in on my shoes.

Now I wished I had put my foot down on the matter and only got her rabies shot like I originally planned.
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post #18 of 37
2/5/10 at 9:36pm
My Coco and Meeko no longer get shots because they are not worth the risk to them.
The other cats get the shots.
None get the FIP or Leukemia shots.
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post #19 of 37
2/5/10 at 9:38pm
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Is there any study about this? Bugsy never had a flare up because of a shot... And even if he does... what would be worst - a flare up, or a more serious disease the vaccine is preventing? Like Calcivirus and Distemper?
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post #20 of 37
2/5/10 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by mews2much View Post
My Coco and Meeko no longer get shots because they are not worth the risk to them.
The other cats get the shots.
None get the FIP or Leukemia shots.
But Coco is almost 18 with several health issues... What about Meeko? Why doesn't he get the shot?
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post #21 of 37
2/5/10 at 9:44pm
Meeko got very sick from the shot so we had to stop them.
We even tried the shot with allergy meds hoping she would not get sick but she got very sick again.
So we had to stop them
I wonder if the Purvax would be ok for Meeko since nothing is added to it
Both my sphynx get those shots.
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post #22 of 37
2/6/10 at 4:38am
Regarding the Convenia shot, I just don't like the way my girls respond to it. They sleep for about a week and half almost continuously, and to me, that's more stressful than them being sick! It's so unnatural! I would much rather give them meds everyday for 2 weeks than have to deal with a sluggish, drunk-like cat. Besides that, I haven't had good results medically with them. As a previous poster mentioned, they didn't seem to work except putting them into a sleep induced almost coma!

As for the steroids and the vaccine, every single time Hannah's had the FVRCP shot, she's come down with a massive URI. The last one lasted almost a year and she developed a secondary pseudomonas infection that could have killed her! Since her herpes manifests itself as the "R" part of the shot, I refuse to have her vaccinated for that again. If I could get the shot without the "R", I'd do it.

Steroids cause the herpes virus to replicate and can cause major flare ups. We've been down that road before, too. Thanks, but no.
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post #23 of 37
2/6/10 at 6:08am
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Originally Posted by stephanietx View Post
Regarding the Convenia shot, I just don't like the way my girls respond to it. They sleep for about a week and half almost continuously, and to me, that's more stressful than them being sick! It's so unnatural! I would much rather give them meds everyday for 2 weeks than have to deal with a sluggish, drunk-like cat. Besides that, I haven't had good results medically with them. As a previous poster mentioned, they didn't seem to work except putting them into a sleep induced almost coma!

As for the steroids and the vaccine, every single time Hannah's had the FVRCP shot, she's come down with a massive URI. The last one lasted almost a year and she developed a secondary pseudomonas infection that could have killed her! Since her herpes manifests itself as the "R" part of the shot, I refuse to have her vaccinated for that again. If I could get the shot without the "R", I'd do it.

Steroids cause the herpes virus to replicate and can cause major flare ups. We've been down that road before, too. Thanks, but no.
Ok... I guess each cat reacts differently... Bugsy has had both, no problems with either one. I hate steroids due to other side effects, but not due to Herpes...
Anyways, Thanks!
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post #24 of 37
2/6/10 at 9:12am
I have had fights here with two vets regarding Metacam. The attitude is - Oh but it is the cat version, it's OK. I was able eventually to get my own vet to agree after showing him several research papers, but the Shelter vet dismissed me altogether. And Bonaparte has an allergy to Revolution - I can only use Frontline on him, so I tell the vet at each annual exam.
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post #25 of 37
2/6/10 at 10:06am
For my girls, no Metacam or Ketamine. Also adjuvent free rabies shots only (I used to avoid rabies shots altogether, but there has been such an increase in rabies in my area, I can no longer do that.) For Cleo, I have to be extra careful with Flagyl (metronidazole) as her liver function tests go practically off the charts....but it's the best thing we've found to treat her IBD issues. We test her liver function before, during and after Flagyl, to keep an eye on her, and we use Denosyl to help maintain/regain healthy liver function once she's done.

If any of my cats need anesthesia, I would be very happy to pay more to have them use Sevoflurane (anesthetic inhalation agent) which is slightly more kidney friendly than Isoflurane (I would prefer Desflurane even more, but very few vets have the heated/pressurized vaporizer anesthesia machine needed to administer it.) I would request Propofol as an induction agent, instead of Ketamine, because it works faster, and is much more kidney friendly. And I would request constant blood pressure monitoring and IV access during the entire procedure, to prevent hypotension, and further kidney damage.
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post #26 of 37
2/6/10 at 10:47am
When Wrinkles was altered a few weeks ago I gave the vet a list of meds not to use.
I paid almost $400 hundred for the surgery.
It was worth it.
Wrinkles is a sphynx and they are sensative to alot of meds.
I had the blood tests done before the surgery.
The vet also monitors everything and uses I.V.s.
Induction was with Propoful and some other meds.
The gas was Isoflurine.
You may think I am crazy but I would never use a clinic or a pound to alter my cats.
I rather be safe then sorry.
The pound and clinics here do not monitor the pets and use the cheapest stuff they can use.
You get what you pay for.
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post #27 of 37
2/6/10 at 11:01am
Oh my, I ahd no idea that Metacam was dangerous, Fudge was gven it after she had her leg amputated. Thankfully she is ok but its awful that you can't even trust your own vet. Thankyou for making me more aware. x
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post #28 of 37
2/6/10 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by mews2much View Post
When Wrinkles was altered a few weeks ago I gave the vet a list of meds not to use.
I paid almost $400 hundred for the surgery.
It was worth it.
Wrinkles is a sphynx and they are sensative to alot of meds.
I had the blood tests done before the surgery.
The vet also monitors everything and uses I.V.s.
Induction was with Propoful and some other meds.
The gas was Isoflurine.
You may think I am crazy but I would never use a clinic or a pound to alter my cats.
I rather be safe then sorry.
The pound and clinics here do not monitor the pets and use the cheapest stuff they can use.
You get what you pay for.
The only problem with that is if you adopt a shelter or pound animal and they WONT release them w/o being altered... you are at their mercy and at the mercy of the vet's competency... been a problem here with the AC we're trying to improve. Not the drugs used, but the shoddy "workmanship" on the spays especially.
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post #29 of 37
2/7/10 at 9:49am
Can I ask what the problem is with Ketamine? Mine have not had surgery (since they were neutered) but I would like to know in case they need something in the future.

I've heard about the Metacam problems and that is on my do not use list, but would like to know about Ketamine if I need to add that. Do most vets use it as first choice?
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post #30 of 37
2/7/10 at 11:31am
Ketamine has been around a long time, and most vets are familiar with it's use. It's relatively inexpensive to use, and most vets are aware of it's benefits and risks. Propofol has been around for about 20 years in human anesthesia medicine. I don't know when it was introduced to the veterinary community for anesthesia induction. It is quite a bit more expensive than Ketamine (at least in the O.R. where I work, so I am assuming it must be more expensive in a veterinary practice.)

I prefer to not use Ketamine because it can cause a significant increase of bloodpressure, elevated heart rate and respiratory depression. CRF cats often have elevated blood pressure to begin with, and Cleo also has a heart murmur. Ketamine is also contraindicated in pets with liver disease, and kidney disease. It is metabolized slowly, so it has a prolonged action. It can also cause seizures. I would prefer something much faster acting, much shorter acting, more kidney friendly, and causes so many fewer side effects, such as Propofol.

http://www.petplace.com/drug-library...ket/page1.aspx

http://cats.about.com/cs/anesthesia/...standing_2.htm
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