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post #1 of 19
2/4/10 at 12:44pm
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... cutting a dog's vocal chords to stop them from barking. I heard it on the news last night and was shocked that anyone would come up with something so inhumane as this. It's just as bad as declawing a cat. Have you heard this yet and what do you think about it. I'm sure most will disagree with this barbaric suggestion.
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post #2 of 19
2/4/10 at 12:50pm
Disgusting practice. I read about it a year or so back, someone who was involved in a puppy mill raid says that the mills have a tool they use to do it themselves, not even a veterinarian called in. One of my dogs does bark excessively, but I won't go so far as a bark collar, let alone surgery. She's indoors and quiet at night, and no more a nuisance than the neighbor hood kids in the day....
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post #3 of 19
2/4/10 at 1:09pm
I heard about this years ago!! It is outrageous.!! Only a monster would think or do such a thing!!! People do it because it's "inconvenient" to deal with a barking dog. It's popular in some apartment complexes where neighbors would be bothered by the noise!!! I hate people. And what about the vets who do the procedures???!!! They make me SICK! If I was a vet I would be in the poor house cuz of all the things I would REFUSE to do. I think people should have to undergo mental evaluations before they are allowed to be pet owners!!! Who was the heartless-you-know-what that came up with this idea??? OMG there goes my blood pressure..God help the piece of crap that I EVER hear talking about doing this to a dog!!!!:bat
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post #4 of 19
2/4/10 at 1:13pm
omg I feel like that's even worse than declawing...I'm sure it would affect the dog psychologically in profound ways. Dogs bark to communicate ...
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post #5 of 19
2/4/10 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by LaRussa View Post
I heard it on the news last night and was shocked that anyone would come up with something so inhumane as this.
leave it to homo sapiens to come up with ideas like this. y'know ideas that are void of empathy as long as the idea helps *us*
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post #6 of 19
2/4/10 at 2:43pm
I thought about posting it in IMO forum yesterday morning, but the iv in my hand hurt so much I coundn't type.

Yeah it's horrible IMO I could never do it.

Especially having so much scar tissue in my abdomin and the problems it has caused me, imagine doggies not being able to breathe or eat?

HORRID IMO

there are alternatives, but people are lazy and want to take the easy way out like declawing (IMO)

be safe.
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post #7 of 19
2/4/10 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by Bellaandme View Post
I heard about this years ago!! It is outrageous.!! Only a monster would think or do such a thing!!! People do it because it's "inconvenient" to deal with a barking dog. It's popular in some apartment complexes where neighbors would be bothered by the noise!!! I hate people. And what about the vets who do the procedures???!!! They make me SICK! If I was a vet I would be in the poor house cuz of all the things I would REFUSE to do. I think people should have to undergo mental evaluations before they are allowed to be pet owners!!! Who was the heartless-you-know-what that came up with this idea??? OMG there goes my blood pressure..God help the piece of crap that I EVER hear talking about doing this to a dog!!!!:bat
When I was reading about it yesterday morning i read that more vets DON'T do it and that it is falling out of favor... for that I am oh so happy!!!!

Yeah if only they would have taken my heart rate and blood pressure then!! LOL

Be Safe.
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post #8 of 19
2/4/10 at 3:23pm
Oh lord, what next!?
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post #9 of 19
2/4/10 at 3:33pm
I heard about it years ago.
It is just as bad as declawing.
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post #10 of 19
2/4/10 at 3:38pm
they can grow back.
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post #11 of 19
2/4/10 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by cococat View Post
they can grow back.
I didn't read anywhere that vocal cords grow back, unless you are talking about something else? Interesting!
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post #12 of 19
2/4/10 at 5:22pm
Yes I have heard of this and know someone who had it done to their dogs. They had 5 dogs and the neighbors kept complaining about the barking. Reports were being filed and the complaints kept coming in. I don't know who/what department but they were told if they can't keep the dogs from barking they were taking them away. The owners worked in law enforcement and saw no other way out since moving was not a option. The dogs sound like the have a horse throat.
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post #13 of 19
2/4/10 at 5:26pm
I heard of this years ago... It is absolutely barbaric!!!

Warning!

In my humble opinion it's worse than declawing... NO RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE ON MY PART... But just thinking about it... If a surgery were to go wrong on the paws, that's one thing, but in the throat?? That doesn't just affect walking and comfort and quality of life like a declaw does (gone bad or as intended)... It could kill the dog! Affect the way they breathe and eat...

And... This isn't from research, it's from personal experience (no, I have never and would never do it, but have encountered dogs who have had it done)... But when you declaw a cat, short of the claws growing back which I know is excruciatingly painful... At least the surgery does the terrible, barbaric thing it intended. Removing the voice box of a dog does NOT stop them from barking, or making noise!!!

They continue barking, it just sounds very, very, very hoarse... And after a few years (sometimes sooner!), they get VERY good at making that very hoarse, painful sounding hack (it's not really a bark any more... ) VERY loud. So it totally defeats the purpose!! They STILL annoy the neighbors!! So the dog owner TORTURED the poor dog out of sheer laziness on their part for NO REASON!!!

Sorry, you can tell it's a senstive subject for me...
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post #14 of 19
2/4/10 at 9:51pm
I am against the procedure. HOWEVER, I do not think it's nearly as bad as de-clawing a cat. Claws to a cat are everything---physically, psychologically, and for personal protection. I can't say that barking is especially important to a dog (not my dogs anyway). And it seems that complications are rare, much rarer than de-claw complications. Because it's just a flesh wound while a de-claw is serious orthopedic surgery. So, I think it's the height of hypocrisy for a vet to refuse to do de-barking (which it seems most do) if they're willing to do on-demand de-claws.

But even so I feel that it's part of the basic attitude that de-values animals to being basically toys for human enjoyment. I can't condone that attitude at all.
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post #15 of 19
2/4/10 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by Crazyforinfo View Post
Yes I have heard of this and know someone who had it done to their dogs. They had 5 dogs and the neighbors kept complaining about the barking. Reports were being filed and the complaints kept coming in. I don't know who/what department but they were told if they can't keep the dogs from barking they were taking them away. The owners worked in law enforcement and saw no other way out since moving was not a option. The dogs sound like the have a horse throat.
I believe this is why most people have it done. Certain breeds are prone to barking no matter how much you take them out walking and keep they entertained. My neighbors shelties are one of those breeds. The dogs pretty much bark for everything - happy, bored, alerting, playing with each other, etc.

One of their four dogs is debarked - I don't think they had it done, he was probably adopted by them that way. He can still bark and he barks a lot, it's just a very hoarse bark as mentioned. The other three have very loud barks that can be piercing.. That said we'd never complain about it and it doesn't seem like anyone else in the neighborhood (lots of dogs around here) cares, either. At least I know if there's someone out around the neighborhood on foot.

I wish people wouldn't be forced into situations like this, but all dogs bark and sometimes for very good reasons. Unfortunately, you can't force your neighbors to get a lobotomy to fix their problems.

O/T A former neighbor (who didn't like the dogs) would always look at our yard in disgust because we didn't choose to dump chemicals all over it. He'd make remarks about it, other people's yards/houses, and dogs. Those are the types that cause trouble,
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post #16 of 19
2/5/10 at 1:21am
Both procedures are terrible IMO. I can't be in threads like this without losing my cool.
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post #17 of 19
2/5/10 at 7:41am
Whoever does that to an animal should have it done to them as punishment.
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post #18 of 19
2/7/10 at 8:21am
My neighbours old dog (now at the bridge) had to have her vocal cords pinned back because they became paralysed, and she often struggled eating - she would eat something and then act like she was choking cos it had obviously gone down the wrong pipe. She could still make a noise as well, although it sounded a bit pathetic. Hers was done purely to save her life, but I still doubt it was pleasant for her
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post #19 of 19
2/9/10 at 9:30am
Yes I have heard of it, but have never actually seen a dog who had it done, even in the shelters

booktigger, just like declawing is done for medical reasons on occasion, so is debarking - sad but medically recommended at times and most medical procedures are not pleasant
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