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post #1 of 54
2/3/10 at 9:07am
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http://www.lvrj.com/news/obama-remar...-83423182.html

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'YOU DON'T BLOW A BUNCH OF CASH IN VEGAS ...': Obama remark reopens wound
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Add people saving for college to the list of folks President Barack Obama says shouldn't spend money in Las Vegas.

On Tuesday Obama told an audience in Nashua, N.H., "You don't blow a bunch of cash in Vegas when you're trying to save for college."

The crack came not quite a year after a speech in Elkhart, Ind., during which Obama aimed a similar warning at bankers whose companies received bailout money.

The New Hampshire remark not only reopened the political wound from last year, it also cut deeper by raising questions about why the president of the United States continues to use Las Vegas as an applause line in speeches about wasted money
Well, this is the second time in less than a year that Barack Obama has trashed Las Vegas. The first time he did it, Harry Reid blamed it on Bush.

With everything factored in, we have an unemployment rate of 25%, with the highest home foreclosure rate in the nation. We got zippo in Stimulus money.
That Senate Majority leader is sure looking out for his state, ain't he?

Hey Barack, why don't you just have the military come drop a nuke on us and put us out of our misery? With friends like Barack we sure don't need any enemies.

This is it for Democrats in the State of Nevada. Nevada historically votes Republican, due to an influx of the far left from California (they have bankrupted their own state, now they bring their socialist agenda to Nevada)
Nevada voted for Barack. We all know, as I am sure everyone in the country know, it was the, illustrious, Senator Reid who persuaded Barack to run for President.

I think you all can visualize the upcoming political ads by the GOP.
I think we Conservatives will be taking this state back from the socialists.
Every cloud has a silver lining you know.
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post #2 of 54
2/3/10 at 9:35am
I really feel for you guys down there. Gambling is not something we do, but that is no reason to trash your city/state.

The ONLY thing you guys can do is get out the grassroots, talk to your neighbors/friends and VOTE REID out of office. Get a very good candidate on the Republican side to get him booted. I'm not sure if your state has the Senetors up for re-election this year in November but if you do, get busy now and don't let up till you get Reid out. That is your only hope.
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post #3 of 54
2/3/10 at 9:58am
I agree with Obama. Perhaps he shouldn't just single out Las Vegas, but the advice he gave is sound.
By the way, he didn't "Trash" Las Vegas. He just used the city as an example of how gambling wastes the money of those people who clearly need it for something more important.
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post #4 of 54
2/3/10 at 10:27am
Good for Obama for giving people real advice even if it may not agree with the gambling businesses' profits...
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post #5 of 54
2/3/10 at 10:30am
A person who wastes their money on gambling instead of college is THEIR fault - government has no business in saying where you should be spending your money. Obama's remark was out of line and should NOT be excused (but typical reactions)
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post #6 of 54
2/3/10 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals View Post
I agree with Obama. Perhaps he shouldn't just single out Las Vegas, but the advice he gave is sound.
By the way, he didn't "Trash" Las Vegas. He just used the city as an example of how gambling wastes the money of those people who clearly need it for something more important.
I agree. Although people waste money in all kinds of ways and unless Barack wants to list every single way to waste money he should shut his mouth. FTR, no one wastes our money like HE does, perhaps if he wasn't paying off all his campaign contributors with sweetheart deals his above comments would have a tad more credibility.

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Good for Obama for giving people real advice even if it may not agree with the gambling businesses' profits...
Nice to see you have compassion for all the poor people in Nevada that are out of work and have lost their homes. So kind of you.

Compassion must only go so far, as far as the kids that deserve free college but the working man, nah, who cares if he loses his job and his home and is out on the street. As long as that free college education money keeps flowing in.

Perhaps, instead of just thinking of "the gambling businesses' profits", you should consider a few things.

1. If a company doesn't show a profit, they likely will go out of business and actual, living, breathing Americans will be out of work.

2. There are actual people, many with families, that should be considered before making some cockamamie remark like that. People that don't WANT something for FREE, they just want to work and EARN a living.
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post #7 of 54
2/3/10 at 10:56am
Oh, so in order for these people to keep their jobs, we must have people who are trying to save for college or save up for anything for that matter go to Vegas and spend all of their money and say goodbye to their dreams and whatever it is they were saving for?

Sure it's nice to gamble and there's nothing wrong with profiting from it, if the people who do it can afford the losses.
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post #8 of 54
2/3/10 at 11:18am
Well, I live in Florida and the economy is horrible here too. I am personally very affected by it. If Obama said instead You don't blow a bunch of cash in in Disney, the Space Center, Busch Gardens, Universal, etc. when you're trying to save for college, I certianly wouldn't be offended.
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post #9 of 54
2/3/10 at 11:40am
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Well, I live in Florida and the economy is horrible here too. I am personally very affected by it. If Obama said instead You don't blow a bunch of cash in in Disney, the Space Center, Busch Gardens, Universal, etc. when you're trying to save for college, I certianly wouldn't be offended.


Oh man...I bet all those companies should would be.

Why not tell people not to purchase a new car when their old one will do? While it's probably true that many people should not be purchasing luxury items (or taking vacations) when they can barely make ends meet, I'm not sure it's the government's place to tell the public which industries to put out of business first.
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post #10 of 54
2/3/10 at 11:52am
What don't you guys get? If a person cannot handle their finances, why should the government or any other business tell them what to spend their money on?

Its THEIR personal responsibility to decide what to do. If they fail and waste their money - then don't expect the government to be handing out free money because you wasted yours.

Geezzz I don't understand why some of you are defending Obama on this.
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post #11 of 54
2/3/10 at 12:06pm
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What don't you guys get? If a person cannot handle their finances, why should the government or any other business tell them what to spend their money on?

Its THEIR personal responsibility to decide what to do. If they fail and waste their money - then don't expect the government to be handing out free money because you wasted yours.

Geezzz I don't understand why some of you are defending Obama on this.
And I don't understand why people are overly sensitive about it. Oh, wait - not all people. It's the people who never miss an opportunity to complain about him. Same people, different thread.

To me, it is very clear that all he meant was you shouldn't blow your money (on nonessentials) when you should be saving (for essentials). Big deal.

Do you think that anyone in New Hampshire who has a vacation planned to Vegas is going to cancel? Do you really think he has it in for Vegas?
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post #12 of 54
2/3/10 at 12:09pm
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...people should not be purchasing luxury items (or taking vacations) when they can barely make ends meet
That part - I think that's all he was trying to say.
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post #13 of 54
2/3/10 at 12:11pm
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Oh, so in order for these people to keep their jobs, we must have people who are trying to save for college or save up for anything for that matter go to Vegas and spend all of their money and say goodbye to their dreams and whatever it is they were saving for?

Sure it's nice to gamble and there's nothing wrong with profiting from it, if the people who do it can afford the losses.
Are you feeling okay Ut0pia? Or did I just step into the twilight zone?

It is the fact that Barack SINGLES out Las Vegas, that is the problem. Hey, how are those college kids going to get that free tuition if people aren't working?
And this is the second time Barack has dissed Las Vegas in a year. Last time Harry Reid had the audacity to blame BUSH for Barack's diss of Las Vegas, if you can believe that. Guess Harry can't blame Bush this time.

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Well, I live in Florida and the economy is horrible here too. I am personally very affected by it. If Obama said instead You don't blow a bunch of cash in in Disney, the Space Center, Busch Gardens, Universal, etc. when you're trying to save for college, I certianly wouldn't be offended.
Do you work for any of the places in Florida you mention? More importantly, do you care at all about the jobs of those people that DO work at the places you mention? Evidently not.
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post #14 of 54
2/3/10 at 12:17pm
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Oh man...I bet all those companies should would be.

Why not tell people not to purchase a new car when their old one will do? While it's probably true that many people should not be purchasing luxury items (or taking vacations) when they can barely make ends meet, I'm not sure it's the government's place to tell the public which industries to put out of business first.
Hey Cinder, let's tell the people not to waste their money by paying their taxes. We know for SURE that all Barack will do with our hard earned money is spend it on some fool thing like money to third world dictators to help them out with their dangerous C02 levels.
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post #15 of 54
2/3/10 at 12:25pm
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And I don't understand why people are overly sensitive about it. Oh, wait - not all people. It's the people who never miss an opportunity to complain about him. Same people, different thread.

To me, it is very clear that all he meant was you shouldn't blow your money (on nonessentials) when you should be saving (for essentials). Big deal.

Do you think that anyone in New Hampshire who has a vacation planned to Vegas is going to cancel? Do you really think he has it in for Vegas?
I'm sorry you cannot understand, maybe the old saying, "come walk in my moccasins...." is appropriate. There are thousands of people suffering here, all Barack did is stick the knife in further.

Yes and I will continue to complain about his ineptness as POTUS.

No, I just think he is an idiot.

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That part - I think that's all he was trying to say.
Then, that is what he should have said. I thought Barack is this supremely intelligent orator whose golden words fall from his lips effortlessly. You don't kick someone when they are down! Well, you are not supposed to anyway.
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post #16 of 54
2/3/10 at 12:43pm
I wouldn't necessarily think he has it in for Vegas, except this is the second time he singled them out. And it didn't go over well the first. I've seen some specials on TV about the housing industry there, unemployment, etc., I can understand why the residents there were be irritated.

I know we all get the point that he was trying to make, and it is basically a good one. I just feel it was poor judgement to single out a city that is already hard hit. Can you imagine if he said something like.... Those of you saving for college should be buying $29 sneakers, not $200 Nikes. I mean, duh.

And Harry...don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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post #17 of 54
2/3/10 at 1:08pm
Do you work for any of the places in Florida you mention? More importantly, do you care at all about the jobs of those people that DO work at the places you mention? Evidently not.

No, I don't work for those companies; however, I do have compassion for their employees. I know how hard it is to be unemployed. My husband was laid off long ago. So far - nothing. I was laid off as well last year, but blessed enough to find another job. Thanks for asking.

Funny, I'm usually accused of being the bleeding heart.

I just refuse to believe that Obama's remark will effect these employees or the employees in Vegas in the least. I also believe he meant no harm.
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post #18 of 54
2/3/10 at 1:09pm
I wish we COULD keep our taxes - most of us could put that money to far better use then to let the government waste it all!
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post #19 of 54
2/3/10 at 1:13pm
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I wouldn't necessarily think he has it in for Vegas, except this is the second time he singled them out. And it didn't go over well the first. I've seen some specials on TV about the housing industry there, unemployment, etc., I can understand why the residents there were be irritated.

I know we all get the point that he was trying to make, and it is basically a good one. I just feel it was poor judgement to single out a city that is already hard hit. Can you imagine if he said something like.... Those of you saving for college should be buying $29 sneakers, not $200 Nikes. I mean, duh.

And Harry...don't let the door hit you on the way out.
At least you are not blowing it out of proportion.
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post #20 of 54
2/3/10 at 1:51pm
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I'm sorry you cannot understand, maybe the old saying, "come walk in my moccasins...." is appropriate. There are thousands of people suffering here, all Barack did is stick the knife in further.

Yes and I will continue to complain about his ineptness as POTUS.

No, I just think he is an idiot.



Then, that is what he should have said. I thought Barack is this supremely intelligent orator whose golden words fall from his lips effortlessly. You don't kick someone when they are down! Well, you are not supposed to anyway.
Don't worry, I know those moccasins well - firsthand. BTW, we just lost our health insurance at my new job. I don't have any delusions that you will give Obama the benefit of the doubt. I'm just saying you are making something out of nothing.
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post #21 of 54
2/3/10 at 4:52pm
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I just refuse to believe that Obama's remark will effect these employees or the employees in Vegas in the least. I also believe he meant no harm.

Then you would be wrong, my friend. The fact is, last February when Barack made his first moronic statement about Las Vegas to the effect that government employees and others should not be having their conventions in Las Vegas. Our convention business TANKED.
Many, many conventions cancelled.

Never underestimate the power of the President of the United States of America.
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post #22 of 54
2/3/10 at 5:00pm
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http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000...ames-industry/

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“People are telling me that they’re not coming to Las Vegas because the president doesn’t want them to,†Mayor Oscar B. Goodman told the New York Times.

Las Vegas has a lot to worry about with any negative publicity. About 30,000 hotel rooms booked for conferences in Las Vegas were canceled in the last month. The city has also seen a 4 percent decline in visitors and a 6 percent drop in conventions compared to 2008. December’s numbers are more stark, showing an 11 percent drop from December 2008.
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post #23 of 54
2/3/10 at 5:38pm
I just have a hard time seeing this as negative publicity for Vegas...
Going to Vegas to gamble is an indulgence anyway, so the crowd that Vegas should try to attrack shouldn't be people who are trying to be frugal. So obviously Obama's comment would not give Vegas any negative publicity, it doesn't apply to someone who has money to spend
If you're trying to save up for something, you don't go to Vegas, that's common sense. Besides, Vegas is obviously just an example, he could have used Reno or even Disney World..But I do think Vegas would be the one example that fits best to the argument he's trying to make.

Obviously, with the economy taking a downturn not a lot of people have money to spend, thus the reason why the decline in visitors in Vegas. But that isn't something that can be helped nor made worse by Obama's statement...
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post #24 of 54
2/3/10 at 6:31pm
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Don't worry, I know those moccasins well - firsthand. BTW, we just lost our health insurance at my new job. I don't have any delusions that you will give Obama the benefit of the doubt. I'm just saying you are making something out of nothing.
You might not feel that way if you lived here.

People are REALLY up in arms over this. It is curtains for Harry Reid.
Good Grief, Harry's Reid's profile picture on Facebook, last I looked, was a picture of Harry and Barack, arm in arm.
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post #25 of 54
2/3/10 at 6:36pm
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I just have a hard time seeing this as negative publicity for Vegas...
Going to Vegas to gamble is an indulgence anyway, so the crowd that Vegas should try to attrack shouldn't be people who are trying to be frugal. So obviously Obama's comment would not give Vegas any negative publicity, it doesn't apply to someone who has money to spend
If you're trying to save up for something, you don't go to Vegas, that's common sense. Besides, Vegas is obviously just an example, he could have used Reno or even Disney World..But I do think Vegas would be the one example that fits best to the argument he's trying to make.

Obviously, with the economy taking a downturn not a lot of people have money to spend, thus the reason why the decline in visitors in Vegas. But that isn't something that can be helped nor made worse by Obama's statement...
First off, it is LAS Vegas.

I beg to differ. Many, many conventions, that were already booked were cancelled last year after his foolhardy remark about corporate executives should not be coming to Las Vegas.

Harry Reid and cohorts in Nevada are history.

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post #26 of 54
2/3/10 at 8:32pm
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First off, it is LAS Vegas.

I beg to differ. Many, many conventions, that were already booked were cancelled last year after his foolhardy remark about corporate executives should not be coming to Las Vegas.

Harry Reid and cohorts in Nevada are history.
OT, but I didn't know that calling it Vegas irritated the locals. It is weird when you think about it. I'd never think to call Los Angeles... Angeles, etc., But most people I know, when they're going to Nevada, it's VEGAS baby! And they're excited about it. It's the same with New York & New Jersey. I would never say just York, but somehow Jersey just sounds right. I never say I'm going to the District of Columbia, it's DC! Anyway, it's interesting how some places get shortened and others don't.
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post #27 of 54
2/4/10 at 4:22am
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The fact is, last February when Barack made his first moronic statement about Las Vegas to the effect that government employees and others should not be having their conventions in Las Vegas. Our convention business TANKED.
Many, many conventions cancelled.

Never underestimate the power of the President of the United States of America.
I'm quite sure his statement had little to no effect on the conventions being cancelled and it was rather the economy tanking for the whole country that made companies re-think their spending policies on conventions in the midst of so many folks being laid off from work.
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post #28 of 54
2/4/10 at 5:43am
If calling it Vegas was good enough for the rat pack, Sammy, Dean and Frank, it is good enough for me! Sometimes I call Brooklyn, Brook! LOL!

Personally I think people who gamble are just p*ssing their money away. It may be "good" for the economy but it tears families apart emotionally and economically. Like substance abuse/alcoholism it is a bigger problem than we care to admit to. I'm glad Obama said what he said, truth often ticks people off.
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post #29 of 54
2/4/10 at 6:04am
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First off, it is LAS Vegas.
"What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" is the city's motto isn't it?

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I beg to differ. Many, many conventions, that were already booked were cancelled last year after his foolhardy remark about corporate executives should not be coming to Las Vegas.
And I believe that you believe it because your mayor said so. I tend to believe that the economy had a lot more to do with it. "At taxpayer's expense" is a big issue too. Do you think people should be going to Las Vegas at taxpayer's expense?
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post #30 of 54
2/4/10 at 7:59am
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I'm quite sure his statement had little to no effect on the conventions being cancelled and it was rather the economy tanking for the whole country that made companies re-think their spending policies on conventions in the midst of so many folks being laid off from work.
Well, you are free to think that, even if it is not true.

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Personally I think people who gamble are just p*ssing their money away. It may be "good" for the economy but it tears families apart emotionally and economically. Like substance abuse/alcoholism it is a bigger problem than we care to admit to. I'm glad Obama said what he said, truth often ticks people off.
Yep, and to heck with the people that are struggling and have lost their homes, after all, they don't really matter.

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"What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" is the city's motto isn't it?


And I believe that you believe it because your mayor said so. I tend to believe that the economy had a lot more to do with it. "At taxpayer's expense" is a big issue too. Do you think people should be going to Las Vegas at taxpayer's expense?
No, I don't. I, also, don't think that Congress going to Copenhagen on taxpayer expense was cool and I don't think Barack going to get his, undeserved, Nobel Peace Prize at taxpayer expense was cool and his Christmas vacation in Hawaii at taxpayer expense sucked too, when our economy is in the state it is in.

I find it amusing that many find it okay that Barack can tell Americans how to not spend their money as he merrily goes about quadrupling our deficit.
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