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post #1 of 9
1/31/10 at 10:43am
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As most of you know, I am looking to purchase my first purebred cat. I have always loved the Persian breed and have always wanted to have one. I have been doing my research and Iooking up breeders/catteries, and I see that there is the peke-face variety and the doll-face variety. I know that the peke-face is what CFA calls for in the show standards, and doll-faces are the traditional type of long ago. I realize that there are some people out there who believe it wrong to be breeding the doll-face Persian, as with the wedge-head Siamese versus the apple-head Siamese. I have, however, heard the peke-faces are more prone to health problems such as respiratory problems and such from the extreme flat nose. Tear stains are also much more of a problem with the peke-faces too, if I am correct?

I would like to hear from you all and get your opinions on the matter.
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post #2 of 9
1/31/10 at 11:34am
Do I read you correct?. You prefer the doll type (rather long nose), but do worry they are not along the contemporary standard - and thus null chance of show winning

Turkish Angora can perhaps be an alternative??
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post #3 of 9
1/31/10 at 12:21pm
The 'doll-face' persian is a pet quality persian. Any responsible breeder does not breed pet quality cats on purpose, that is something what back yard breeders do just to get money. 'Peke-face' perians are long gone, they were around few decades ago.

If you don't like the way a proper Persian looks like, maybe you could consider a British Short- or Longhair?
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post #4 of 9
1/31/10 at 2:04pm
IMO why pay for a purebred that cannot be shown in championship if that is your intentions (which is what I've gathered). If you just want a purebred or purebred looking cat with NO intentions of showing championship or breeding, then you should just get a pet quality Persian out of the shelters.

If you really are serious about showing and breeding, you do NOT buy pet quality cats - you buy from legit breeders who breed to the standard and show their cats to champion/grand champion.

"Doll-face" are a marketing cat - the breeders are just breeding pet quality cats with high price tags. Don't fall into that trap.
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post #5 of 9
1/31/10 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by StefanZ View Post

Turkish Angora can perhaps be an alternative??
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Originally Posted by NorthernGlow View Post

If you don't like the way a proper Persian looks like, maybe you could consider a British Short- or Longhair?
Agree with above, there are plenty of other long hair breeds that have a nose. Ragdolls, Birmans and the above mentioned breeds just to name a few.

A well bred Perisan will not have respiratory problems, the breeders I know have worked hard to maintain large nasal passages so they breath just like any other cats.
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post #6 of 9
2/1/10 at 1:51am
Wow. That is not just a little harsh.

But hey, according to a lot of people most of the following is just not true

There are responsible breeders that do not agree with the way the standard and interpretation of the standard for the Persian had changed, thus changing the breed and negatively influencing the health of individual cats.
Fortunately not everyone places as much emphasis on showing as a lot of the regulars on the breeding board, IMO there are a lot of things that are more important (health and temperament) that get lower priority because people are first and foremost breeding or buying pets with ribbons in mind.

When cats with problems due to extreme type are born to serious show breeders I see them get written off as a fluke. But it is a kind of blind spot, the incidence of these "flukes" increases due to the breeding for the show type.

I've seen people breeding for the so called open type but that still does not deal with the other changes in the cranial shape that cause problems with teeth, tear ducts etc.

It makes me very sad when I see overtyped cats suffering and then see people denying problems because they feel the need to defend the practices of the show breeder for extreme breeds. Do they not read the pleas of the scientific community for moderation ?
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post #7 of 9
2/1/10 at 5:46am
If you get a persian be prepared for lots of daily upkeep of the coat. Getting one of these cats ready for a show is quite a lot of work for anyone who is not used to it.
I am friends with a couple of persian breeders who show their cats on a regular basis and I can tell you they spend an extraordinary amount of time prepping these cats prior to the show and in between rings.

I have a Maine Coon that I showed to supreme grand champion and it took me 3 hours to bathe and dry him before each show. Maine Coons are not subject to hair tangling as persians are, so he doesn't need as much grooming, but he is still alot of work.

Since you like the persian look, you might also consider the exotic. Basically the same cat with a much shorter coat and I would think easier in the grooming department.

For myself, I will NEVER get a long haired cat again. Entirely too much maintenance and they leave hair everywhere.

I show bengals, they barely shed, no baths required. Wipe down with a Chamois, head for the show.
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post #8 of 9
2/1/10 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals View Post

I show bengals, they barely shed, no baths required. Wipe down with a Chamois, head for the show.
Ah, I see bengals must have some ancestry together with the russians blue
as I could sign on your statement...


About this excessive grooming of persians... They arent THAT hard nor troublesome to groome. Although the owner of a persian should love to handle much her cat.

It is mostly grooming into the shows that is exquissive..
Especielly as some judges are touchy. They believe perfect grooming is simply part of the show. If you want to have a chance for the top places - you must deliver. Not only the cat, the looks, good psyche, behaviour etc
but also this extra demand: superbt grooming...
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post #9 of 9
2/1/10 at 9:12am
IMO it doesn't matter if the Persian is a pet or a show cat (tho show cats would have a little more prep time). Persians should be combed every day to prevent tangles/mats from forming. If you don't have that committment, then you will wind up with a horrible mat problem.

Persians are pretty to look at (well groomed ones) but they ARE high maintence pets!

I had ONE longhair (Turkish Angora) and hated the grooming. He was my one and only longhair cat (he was placed with a friend). I will stick to the wash and wear short hair cats (Cornish Rex and Ocicats).
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