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post #1 of 39
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It's easy. All you have to do is supply proof to substantiate Glenn Beck's outlandish lie that a Sea Shepherd vessel rammed and sank a Japanese Whaling ship. That's all there is to it. Just prove that Beck isn't spouting bold faced lies, and Paul Watson of Sea Shepherd will write you a check. Yes, it's that easy.

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-...-100121-1.html

post #2 of 39
Ah, of course, the devil is in the details.

A Sea Shepherd ship definitely rammed (or, more accurately, tried to bluff out and misjudged the sea space) a Japanese whaling ship. However, it looked like it came out on the worst end of the deal. Here's a video of it from the Japanese ship. You'll notice the Ady Gil suddenly accelerates (note the prop wash) just as the Japanese ship get to it.

Ady Gil collision

But they have a long history of this activity. Here's another one that is a blatant ramming by the Sea Shepherd ship.

Sea Shepherd rams Japanese ship

There are a number of other such videos. Did they sink a whaling ship? Don't think so.
post #3 of 39
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Ah, of course, the devil is in the details.

A Sea Shepherd ship definitely rammed (or, more accurately, tried to bluff out and misjudged the sea space) a Japanese whaling ship. However, it looked like it came out on the worst end of the deal. Here's a video of it from the Japanese ship. You'll notice the Ady Gil suddenly accelerates (note the prop wash) just as the Japanese ship get to it.

Ady Gil collision

But they have a long history of this activity. Here's another one that is a blatant ramming by the Sea Shepherd ship.

Sea Shepherd rams Japanese ship

There are a number of other such videos. Did they sink a whaling ship? Don't think so.
There, you see. He lied.
post #4 of 39
Never heard of a "Sea Shepard" or this ship collision.

I had to Google and found this.

http://www.highnorth.no/library/move...d/se-sh-re.htm

I take these "Sea Shepard" ships are owned by some extremist environmental group similar to PETA?
post #5 of 39
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Never heard of a "Sea Shepard" or this ship collision.

I had to Google and found this.

http://www.highnorth.no/library/move...d/se-sh-re.htm

I take these "Sea Shepard" ships are owned by some extremist environmental group similar to PETA?
http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/sea-shepherd/
http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/series/
post #6 of 39
The Ady Gil sank, didn't it?

I do have a question. I know they have ships named Steve Irwin and Bob Barker. Who was (or is) Ady Gil? Yeah, could just google it.
post #7 of 39
Sea Shepherd (or another arm of their groups, Agenda 21) has, however, sunk at least 3 Norwegian whaling ships.

Norwegian whaling ships sunk
post #8 of 39
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Sea Shepherd (or another arm of their groups, Agenda 21) has, however, sunk at least 3 Norwegian whaling ships.

Norwegian whaling ships sunk
Yet not one Japanese Whaling ship was rammed and sunk. So, Beck lied. It was not reported anywhere that it happened, so he obviously made the story up knowing his groupies would swallow it.

Not going to make any money this way.
post #9 of 39
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The Ady Gil sank, didn't it?

I do have a question. I know they have ships named Steve Irwin and Bob Barker. Who was (or is) Ady Gil? Yeah, could just google it.
I think they name the ship after the donors they get them from. I might just look into that later.
post #10 of 39
Beck's point was about the extremists groups believing they can do anything they want, including terrorist activities, and consider themselves entitled to do so by claiming their "cause is just". He was mentioning several organizations and only briefly mentioned this incident as one of many by different groups. He simply had it backwards as to which ship was sunk, an error but not really relevant to the point he was making. Constantly claiming that "he lied" is a bit of a stretch. In past interviews Watson has personally claimed to have sunk a Japanese whaling ship, but there is no other evidence to support his claim. Watson has also made many, many, many claims about many things which are patently false, including his highly twisted “interpretation†about the whaling treaties and laws of the sea. He’s a self righteous narcissist who lives in his own fantasy world. He’s clearly far more concerned about drawing attention to himself than for any cause. This collision was absolutely the fault of the Sea Shepherd’s boat. There are right of way rules for ships at sea and smallcraft must ALWAYS yield to large ships (the tonnage rule). Watson is a terrorist, nothing more. His claims about the illegality of the Japanese whaling are absolute fabrications. Through diplomacy and negotiation the Japanese were actually reducing their whaling activities, but stunts like those of Watson and his like have made them resistant to additional concessions. There are many that oppose whaling who have worked for a permanent end to this practice through education and quiet diplomacy. The grandstanding methods of the Sea Shepherds have actually been severely detrimental to progress in this arena.

Watson named the ship “Steve Irwin†after requesting approval to use the name from Irwin’s widow, Terri (she was at the christening). I understand she has since greatly regretted doing so.

“Sea Shepherd Conservation Society†is the name of Watson’s organization, and they ARE radical extremists. Their actions are, by all legal definitions, acts of piracy and terrorism. All of their ships are Australian flagged and the fact that the Australian government provides them safe harbor is a major issue. The government is effectively condoning piracy, which is considered in international law to be a hostile act, bordering on an act of war.

Animal Planet conceived, developed, and produces the show which is presented from a singular and one sided point of view trying to glorify these terrorists. Since Animal Planet has full production control this indicates they support that organization and its practices in spite of the “disclaimer†they display at the start of that show. Since this show is really nothing more than a pro-terrorist propaganda piece I refuse to watch it and do not support the sponsors (including changing my cell phone provider since Verizon has been one of the major sponsors.)
post #11 of 39
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It's hardly a stretch. It's documented. He's a liar.
post #12 of 39
Believe as you wish, but the way you have worded this comes across both hostile and combative.
post #13 of 39
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Even FoxNews themselves have the transcripts available. Beck reiterated time and time again throughout his spiel that a Japanese Whaling ship was attacked and sunk. Mixing it up once may have been in error...banging it like a drum is a lie.
post #14 of 39
As I said, believe as you wish, but the hostility is unwarrented.
post #15 of 39
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As I said, believe as you wish, but the hostility is unwarrented.
There's no hostility. There is simply no reason at all to soften the facts with unnecessary banter. I'm WANTING someone to win the million, but it hardly looks like it's going to happen.
post #16 of 39
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I think they name the ship after the donors they get them from. I might just look into that later.
I found it, Skippy.

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With the snap of his fingers, entertainment industry executive Ady Gil can summon the artisans and technology to build stage facilities for Hollywood television productions and movie premieres.

On Saturday, they helped him again with an unusual and hastily called assignment: a fundraiser at his spacious Woodland Hills home to raise the $3 million to $5 million needed to replace a sleek anti-whaling trimaran that collided with a Japanese whaling ship last week.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan...at10-2010jan10
post #17 of 39
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
Never heard of a "Sea Shepard" or this ship collision.

I had to Google and found this.

http://www.highnorth.no/library/move...d/se-sh-re.htm

I take these "Sea Shepard" ships are owned by some extremist environmental group similar to PETA?
"Extremist?" I sure don't think so.

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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Sea Shepherd (or another arm of their groups, Agenda 21) has, however, sunk at least 3 Norwegian whaling ships.

Norwegian whaling ships sunk
Good for them! I hope they keep it up until all the whalers stop killing whales.

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Originally Posted by CharmsDad View Post
Beck's point was about the extremists groups believing they can do anything they want, including terrorist activities, and consider themselves entitled to do so by claiming their "cause is just". He was mentioning several organizations and only briefly mentioned this incident as one of many by different groups. He simply had it backwards as to which ship was sunk, an error but not really relevant to the point he was making. Constantly claiming that "he lied" is a bit of a stretch. In past interviews Watson has personally claimed to have sunk a Japanese whaling ship, but there is no other evidence to support his claim. Watson has also made many, many, many claims about many things which are patently false, including his highly twisted “interpretation†about the whaling treaties and laws of the sea. He’s a self righteous narcissist who lives in his own fantasy world. He’s clearly far more concerned about drawing attention to himself than for any cause. This collision was absolutely the fault of the Sea Shepherd’s boat. There are right of way rules for ships at sea and smallcraft must ALWAYS yield to large ships (the tonnage rule). Watson is a terrorist, nothing more. His claims about the illegality of the Japanese whaling are absolute fabrications. Through diplomacy and negotiation the Japanese were actually reducing their whaling activities, but stunts like those of Watson and his like have made them resistant to additional concessions. There are many that oppose whaling who have worked for a permanent end to this practice through education and quiet diplomacy. The grandstanding methods of the Sea Shepherds have actually been severely detrimental to progress in this arena.

Watson named the ship “Steve Irwin†after requesting approval to use the name from Irwin’s widow, Terri (she was at the christening). I understand she has since greatly regretted doing so.

“Sea Shepherd Conservation Society†is the name of Watson’s organization, and they ARE radical extremists. Their actions are, by all legal definitions, acts of piracy and terrorism. All of their ships are Australian flagged and the fact that the Australian government provides them safe harbor is a major issue. The government is effectively condoning piracy, which is considered in international law to be a hostile act, bordering on an act of war.

Animal Planet conceived, developed, and produces the show which is presented from a singular and one sided point of view trying to glorify these terrorists. Since Animal Planet has full production control this indicates they support that organization and its practices in spite of the “disclaimer†they display at the start of that show. Since this show is really nothing more than a pro-terrorist propaganda piece I refuse to watch it and do not support the sponsors (including changing my cell phone provider since Verizon has been one of the major sponsors.)
Members of Al Quaeda are terrorists. Terrorists kill people, they DON'T try to PREVENT killing!

I agree with Animal Planet and think the efforts against whalers are great.
I may just have to go get a Verizon phone after hearing this.

Glenn Beck is wrong about this, he is on the wrong side as are you, IMO.

Whales are very, VERY intelligent mammals that have feelings, some people could care less about the extinction of whales, I am not one of them. I put whaling right up there along side the annual massacre of a quarter of a million baby seals in Canada by clubbing them to death.
post #18 of 39
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Yet not one Japanese Whaling ship was rammed and sunk. So, Beck lied. It was not reported anywhere that it happened, so he obviously made the story up knowing his groupies would swallow it.

Not going to make any money this way.
Or, there are three other possibilities: He misunderstood the stories, he was misinformed (he doesn't do all his own writing, by the way), or he just plain mispoke (which I've had happen to me--I've been surprised what I've written a few times in my life).

I suspect it is one of those three. No future in lying when these things can be checked out so easily.

And no, I don't like Beck.
post #19 of 39
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Or, there are three other possibilities: He misunderstood the stories, he was misinformed (he doesn't do all his own writing, by the way), or he just plain mispoke (which I've had happen to me--I've been surprised what I've written a few times in my life).

I suspect it is one of those three. No future in lying when these things can be checked out so easily.

And no, I don't like Beck.
IF they were to try checking them out. There is plenty of future (ratings) in lying when your core audience believes everything you say, and any nay saying is just blown off as an obvious attempt to discredit their pundit.
post #20 of 39
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
IF they were to try checking them out. There is plenty of future (ratings) in lying when your core audience believes everything you say, and any nay saying is just blown off as an obvious attempt to discredit their pundit.
You are so right, just ask all the Obama supporters!
post #21 of 39
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You are so right, just ask all the Obama supporters!
Exactly. A lot of people are looking at him differently now too. I think Beck is just chasing ratings because he's afraid Palin will get his spot.
post #22 of 39
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"Extremist?" I sure don't think so.



Good for them! I hope they keep it up until all the whalers stop killing whales.



Members of Al Quaeda are terrorists. Terrorists kill people, they DON'T try to PREVENT killing!

I agree with Animal Planet and think the efforts against whalers are great.
I may just have to go get a Verizon phone after hearing this.

Glenn Beck is wrong about this, he is on the wrong side as are you, IMO.

Whales are very, VERY intelligent mammals that have feelings, some people could care less about the extinction of whales, I am not one of them. I put whaling right up there along side the annual massacre of a quarter of a million baby seals in Canada by clubbing them to death.
I have no love for commercial whaling and won't defend it but if they are going around and sinking ships then, in my opinion, they are at the very least criminals, and I don't hesitate in the slightest to label them as terrorists and treat them as such.
post #23 of 39
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I found it, Skippy.
Ah, thank you.
post #24 of 39
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I have no love for commercial whaling and won't defend it but if they are going around and sinking ships then, in my opinion, they are at the very least criminals, and I don't hesitate in the slightest to label them as terrorists and treat them as such.
Bryan, they aren't sinking ships my friend, they got sunk.
All they want to do is to stop the whaling. They don't want to hurt anyone they just want to save the whales. Maybe the Japanese should high tail it back to Japan and fish.

I just cannot call them terrorists for ramming a whaling ship. It may be wrong of me and it probably is but there it is.
post #25 of 39
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Bryan, they aren't sinking ships my friend, they got sunk.
All they want to do is to stop the whaling. They don't want to hurt anyone they just want to save the whales. Maybe the Japanese should high tail it back to Japan and fish.

I just cannot call them terrorists for ramming a whaling ship. It may be wrong of me and it probably is but there it is.
The link that was provided about the Norwegian Whaling ships being sunk said it was done by a group called Agenda 21. The vessels were sunk because someone was sinking them. Two wrongs don't make a right. Despite what Paul Watson thinks they are still criminal acts. His mentality over them doesn't surprise me because he believes the sinking of the ships by that group is just because it goes with their agenda to stop whaling. That mentality is no different than a terrorist blowing up a school bus or an airliner because he/she/they feel their cause justifies the action. The only difference is the magnitude of the crimes. Avenging a criminal act with a criminal act doesn't make it any less of a crime. I don't look at groups like the one mentioned in the link, the ALF, and the ELF any differently than I look at Al-qaeda.
post #26 of 39
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The politics of the situation still doesn't alter the fact that Glenn Beck lied about it, several times, and the bounty to prove he didn't isn't going to be claimed. He has established himself as a liar.
post #27 of 39
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
The politics of the situation still doesn't alter the fact that Glenn Beck lied about it, several times, and the bounty to prove he didn't isn't going to be claimed. He has established himself as a liar.
Never said it did. I don't watch nor pay any attention to Beck. I will now bow out gracefully.
post #28 of 39
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Never said it did. I don't watch nor pay any attention to Beck. I will now bow out gracefully.
I know Bryan, I wasn't directing that at you. I was merely trying to bump things back toward the OP.
post #29 of 39
Sorry, but the Sea Shepherd and Agenda 21 crowd (along with Earth First and several other groups) are, in fact, legally recognized as terrorists in national and international law.

In my book, they are right there with the kook who killed Dr. Tiller. They believe the end justifies the means, and then they're surprised when the end isn't what they wanted.
post #30 of 39
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Sorry, but the Sea Shepherd and Agenda 21 crowd (along with Earth First and several other groups) are, in fact, legally recognized as terrorists in national and international law.

In my book, they are right there with the kook who killed Dr. Tiller. They believe the end justifies the means, and then they're surprised when the end isn't what they wanted.
Strange. Almost half of Sea Shepherd's board of directors are US citizens living in the US, and are plainly identified on their website, and their ship's crews make regular visits to the US. If they were recognized as terrorists, you'd think they'd have been arrested by now.

So, does this mean Beck isn't lying. Are you getting the money?
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