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post #31 of 46
1/20/10 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
This is just my wild idea, but I think both sides may be missing what really caused this outcome. I'm not sure it was any sudden love for conservatism or a repudiation of liberalism.
I don't think your idea is wild at all. The election had just as much to do with state politics as it did with attitudes toward Obama. For one thing, Martha Coakley is unpopular with a lot of people, for a variety of reasons.
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post #32 of 46
1/20/10 at 7:32pm
There was no incumbent to vote out though.

Personally I think it has a lot to do with the Health Care Bill seeing as how Massachusetts has universal health care and it is bankrupting the state, it has made taxes skyrocket and still not everyone is covered.

Frank Luntz from Fox did his thing last night, he was in Boston. The group he had were Democrats and Independents. The vast majority of them had voted for Barack last year. Yesterday the majority voted for Scott Brown.
Their reason? The arrogance of Congress trying to shove these bills down our throat and the over-the-top spending and bail outs and the fact that Washington is JUST NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.
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post #33 of 46
1/20/10 at 7:34pm
But mrblanche, I do agree, the vote in Massachusetts yesterday was NOT for Republicans, it was AGAINST the status quo. The Republicans should not forget that.
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post #34 of 46
1/20/10 at 10:07pm
I was watching O'Reilly tonight and he was discussing Brown's win with (someone, I forgot who now) and his first question was "Who is winning or gaining momentum with Brown's win?". The guy answered "Well no doubt the Republicans." I disagree.

I think the winners in this election are the PEOPLE. It has been the PEOPLE who have been shouting to the elected officials that they don't like the direction that they have taken in the past year. Shouting that they don't like the "health care reform" offered by the Democrats, and they sure don't like how there is NO working with the other side to come up with a bill that is somewhere in the middle.

I'm glad that the Democrats in power have said that there won't be a vote in the Senate until Brown is seated, and that Obama has said that he will "sit down with" Republicans and "listen" to them on this healthcare thing. I did notice that he didn't say that he would do anything based on their suggestions, though. We'll see if their concessionary attitudes continue past this week. I have my doubts, personally. A leopard can't change his spots. It would be nice. If they want any chance of not losing BIG in November, they better not pass that healthcare bill though shenanigans.
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post #35 of 46
1/21/10 at 3:44am
Well, it was all cleared up by Obama yesterday with George Stephanopolis. We (the voters) are just all angry at the last administration! Lets see, we are angry at the last republican administration. That is why they voted in a republican. Ok.........

If he truly believes this, he is certifiable. And I don't mean that jokingly. Isn't it a comfort to know he has his finger on the button?
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post #36 of 46
1/21/10 at 4:58am
Well, the Democrats are learning what it feels like to take "a thumpin'," as Bush put it after the 2006 elections. They've had 3 really close shots across the bows, now. If they don't make some adjustments, they'll have squandered the opportunity they have.

By the way, one change they could make in the Senate would be to lower the necessary number of votes to end a filibuster, say to 55. Of course, that bill would be filibustered...
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post #37 of 46
1/21/10 at 5:58am
Living in MA and talking to a few people here (politics is huge where I work) alot of people were looking to perhaps vote for Coakley (alot more people are independants nowadays so they really look to both candidates with scrutiny) and as her campaign wore on she shot herself in the foot by the smear campaign she launched and she actually asked for people's votes at the MLK event she was asked to speak at because she was AG not because she was running for office. She was supposed to give the keynote address and you should have heard her instead use it as a platform to talk about HER. It was revolting to alot of people.

It will be interesting for sure but I really don't see how this guy is going to be any different than any other politician?
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post #38 of 46
1/21/10 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by fifi1puss View Post
Living in MA and talking to a few people here (politics is huge where I work) alot of people were looking to perhaps vote for Coakley (alot more people are independants nowadays so they really look to both candidates with scrutiny) and as her campaign wore on she shot herself in the foot by the smear campaign she launched and she actually asked for people's votes at the MLK event she was asked to speak at because she was AG not because she was running for office. She was supposed to give the keynote address and you should have heard her instead use it as a platform to talk about HER. It was revolting to alot of people.
A huge . If there were a better Democratic candidate, I think they would have won.
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post #39 of 46
1/21/10 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post
Well, it was all cleared up by Obama yesterday with George Stephanopolis. We (the voters) are just all angry at the last administration! Lets see, we are angry at the last republican administration. That is why they voted in a republican. Ok.........

If he truly believes this, he is certifiable. And I don't mean that jokingly. Isn't it a comfort to know he has his finger on the button?
Couldn't quite believe my ears either when I heard it.

I'm curious AbbysMom and fifi1puss, what effect did Obama's visit have on the voters? If they still had complete confidence in him, and he said to vote for Coakley...do you think many people did for that reason alone? Or was she such a loser that it wouldn't matter who endorsed her.
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post #40 of 46
1/21/10 at 10:33am
I know it didn't make a difference with the people I talked too. It was after she started the smear campaign. After that started nothing could save her. They knew they were just there because she was the parties candidate not necessarily because she was the "right" candidate. It seemed like an act of desperation to most people and quite laughable actually. Like we are stupid enough to care you toted out the Pres.....ohhhh gotta vote for her! the Pres. is standing by her....Nah, I don't think so lady...gotta stand on your own two feet!
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post #41 of 46
1/21/10 at 10:59am
The whole smear campaign reason for her losing is one more reason why I say that the people won that election.

We're tired of politics "as usual". We want to know where you stand on issues and we want to know that you will do your job of representing the people who voted you into office, not just towing the party line. And we're really tired of the politics going further and further to the right and left of center. We don't want extremists in office! We don't want you to tell us what you think we want to hear to get into office and then go far left or right.

I can't stand Pelosi, but in her district she can tell them exactly how far left she is and they love it! She doesn't have to lie to get into office, and they know what they're getting when she gets voted in. Gotta at least give her that much.
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post #42 of 46
1/21/10 at 7:24pm
One of the biggest reason I have heard for the people of Massachusetts voting for Scott Brown is that they are appalled at Barack's buying Democratic politicians health care vote by giving them sweetheart deals for their state that the other states get to pay for.

Example - Louisiana - Louisiana Purchase II
Nebraska - The Corn Husker Deal

And others.
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post #43 of 46
1/22/10 at 7:15pm
Barack in Ohio today, he didn't listen, he didn't get the message, he is still defiant and arrogant. ***sigh***
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post #44 of 46
1/24/10 at 1:51pm
Over the past 17 mid-term elections, the president's party has lost seats, whether or not the president is Republican or Democrat. Does anybody remember Will Rogers, IMO, one of the best pundits ever, living or dead, - he used to say, that for the people, the best party to be in the office was the party that they had just voted out (meaning that people are so fickle). However, Robert Fuller, leader of the Rankism v. Dignity movement, says that it's a pendulum correcting itself - he also says, and I agree, that Republicans tend to vote their party, and Democrats vote their conscience, which means that there's gonna be less cohesion in the Dem party.
I saw Brown's victory speech - wow! can he go on & on & on! His family is charming, but he needs a guidebook from the Toastmasters or the Rotary Club or on how to do stand-up comedy, on when to recognize enough is enough.
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post #45 of 46
1/24/10 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
... However, Robert Fuller, leader of the Rankism v. Dignity movement, says that it's a pendulum correcting itself - he also says, and I agree, that Republicans tend to vote their party, and Democrats vote their conscience, which means that there's gonna be less cohesion in the Dem party.
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nah - I don't think I would agree with that statement -- don't think the 2 political parties can be identified in that way, IMHO ....
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post #46 of 46
1/24/10 at 5:25pm
I think Barack's State of the Union Address this Wednesday evening will tell the story if he is listening to what the American people are saying.


catsknowme, that is all well and good but we haven't even HAD the midterms yet. The truth of the matter is, neither party should have a sitting POTUS and a Super Majority, bad things happen.

All this time Barack should have been focusing on getting people back to work he has been dithering with Health Care and STILL on the campaign trail, it's pathetic. Anyone see the stats comparing Barack's face time to the American people versus past president's? He is so over exposed.
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