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post #1 of 46
1/15/10 at 2:39pm
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Wow, this is shaping up to be huge, isn't it?

Are the people of Massachusetts going to foreshadow what could happen in the 2010 elections? If Brown wins, will the current administration consider it a warning shot over the bow and take heed, or will they try to push through what they can, while they can?

If Obama stumps for her and she loses, what does that say about how the public feels about the healthcare bill?

It's going to be interesting, that's for sure!
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post #2 of 46
1/15/10 at 7:09pm
Don't jinx it by talking about it Cinder.

Some VERY questionable decisions of hers as Attorney General of MA are beginning to come out and they are not good.
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post #3 of 46
1/15/10 at 7:29pm
I do hope the people in MA will think long and hard about who they choose. I'm hoping its................ that wins the seat!
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post #4 of 46
1/15/10 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Don't jinx it by talking about it Cinder.
I don't think I can jinx it, ckblv. Win or lose, that Brown is even close is HUGE IMO. The fact that Obama has to drop what he's doing to go campaign for her should indicate the Democrats are concerned. I mean, jeez...if a Democrat can't win Teddy's seat, jeez....

Did you see much of the debate? I only saw a few highlights. And, of course, the PlayGirl spread.

I did not know that MA already had universal health care. Yeah, why would they want to pay for everyone else?
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post #5 of 46
1/16/10 at 4:48am
I loved the reply Brown gave when asked if he can "sit in Ted Kennedy's seat and vote the health care plan down". He replied it "is not Ted Kennedy's seat, it is not the democrats seat,....it is the people's seat".

I sure hope he gets in, especially now with all the back room deals coming to light with labor unions and Obama.

But the dems will hold vote before he gets sworn in. Typical.
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post #6 of 46
1/16/10 at 2:26pm
http://www3.whdh.com:80/video/player/?clipId=4451375
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post #7 of 46
1/18/10 at 4:48am
Coakley made an error that, had Sarah Palin said it, would have been the top of the news all over the airwaves.

She said there are no longer any terrorists or Taliban in Afghanistan.

Since MA has a high level of Independent registrants, their decision will be the crucial one.
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post #8 of 46
1/18/10 at 6:43am
Coakley is running a very negative campaign and that is really hurting her.
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post #9 of 46
1/18/10 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by AbbysMom View Post
Coakley is running a very negative campaign and that is really hurting her.
You are in Mass. I see. Who is going to win? I just cannot see a Republican winning in Mass.

The thing that really bothered me about Coakley was her not being willing to prosecute (or at the very least, dragging her feet for soooo long her successor had to do it) that cop that raped his 23 MONTH OLD niece with a curling iron. That turned my stomach.

And said cop was found guilty of the crime and is now is serving two life sentences for it.. That was when she was a D.A. To me that meant that because of her political aspirations she did not want to have anything, whatsoever, to do with prosecuting a cop, even if he was a violent pedophile.

Is what I am reading the true story? It is from the newspapers

And the other one about the man that was serving a long prison sentence and he was innocent and Coakley fought to keep him incarcerated. I remember that case from back in the 80's. Mother, daughter and son all put in prison because some kids, who were coached, said they were molested. No physical evidence at all, but that was at the beginning of the daycare child molesting scare. When if a kid, any kid said they have been molested it was true. We have learned much since then.

Anyway mom, daughter and son spend YEARS, DECADES in prison and they were totally innocent. Ripped their lives away. Coakley perpetuated that.
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post #10 of 46
1/18/10 at 2:49pm
Honestly, when Martha Coakley was the DA I rarely heard anything negative about her in the press. A lot of this is getting dug up now and you wonder what kind of spin is being put on it.

Who is going to win? It really is anyone's guess at this point. I'll be voting in less than 24 hours and I haven't decided who I am voting for yet. I had planned on voting for Coakley, but now I am not sure.

We have voted in a Republican Governor in on numerous occasions, so sure it could happen.
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post #11 of 46
1/18/10 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
The thing that really bothered me about Coakley was her not being willing to prosecute (or at the very least, dragging her feet for soooo long her successor had to do it) that cop that raped his 23 MONTH OLD niece with a curling iron. That turned my stomach.
... What the hell?
That's the kind of thing where the death penalty would be too lenient, and I can't help but think that the treatment he'll get from his fellow inmates (i.e. "being their girlfriend") is about right. I hope someone in the prison system had the minerals to put him in the general population.
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post #12 of 46
1/18/10 at 3:45pm
Have you heard the liberal talk show host Ed Schultz's take on the Massachusetts vote?

Ed Shultz would vote 10 times

Obviously, this is the liberal mirror of the Rush Limbaugh school of talk radio.
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post #13 of 46
1/18/10 at 4:19pm
Frankly I am completely uninformed about the candidates themselves. Seems to me, though, that this vote is a referrendum for the people of Massachusetts to speak on the Health Care Plan that is being bum-rushed through a fully Democratically controlled Congress. Not whether we need Health Care Reform - that's a given and agreed upon by both parties. But whether these particular bills as drafted by the ones in control (over 1200 pages, both of them) and without any bipartisan input or support, are what is right for America.

Massachusetts has Universal Health Care and from what I've heard, from the outside and admitedly from a generally Right point of view, it is generally a total failure at least from a fiscal point of view.

What truly makes me ill about this isn't the race itself in Massachusetts at all. It's the scheming and plotting going on in DC on ways to get the healthcare bill through even if the People speak and say NO, even if Brown is elected and they lose their super-majority and that crucial vote in the Senate.
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post #14 of 46
1/18/10 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
What truly makes me ill about this isn't the race itself in Massachusetts at all. It's the scheming and plotting going on in DC on ways to get the healthcare bill through even if the People speak and say NO, even if Brown is elected and they lose their super-majority and that crucial vote in the Senate.
If Brown were elected and that happened, I think there would be a steep price to pay. But yes, I've been reading about the ways they could try to get around it.

I did not attend, but there was recently a local town meeting with one of our senators. From what I've read, some people expressed their displeasure over the healthcare bill ... asked if he was ready to lose his senate seat over it. Makes me wonder if Brown loses, but if the vote is even close, whether some senators might rethink their positions.
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post #15 of 46
1/18/10 at 7:01pm
Gotta drop in my two cents:

One of the reasons I left Massachusetts after living there (born and raised) over 40 years was the new, MANDITORY health care policy in MA.

It is NOT in any way, shape or form a "universal" policy, and if you are too poor to afford to pay for any health insurance, you are penalized for being poor by being fined by the Dept of Revenue. If you do not meet certain guidelines, you can be too poor to afford any insurance but too well off to qualify for any health care subsidies or "free" government policies.

If it becomes national law, the IRS will govern the collection of the fees for being too poor to afford health care but too well off to be covered by the government's programs. I don't know where I'll move to, then.

I have followed the campaign from my new "outsider's" perspective as a resident of a southern state, and based on what Brown's platform is and through folks I know who are supporting him, I know for a fact that he is supported by both left and right voters, not to mention the unenrolled.

We've had successful Republican governors and not so successful Democratic ones. Patrick is a joke. My vote in MA was in the unenrolled (formerly independent) status. I voted based on issues, and never voted based on party. If I were voting there still, Brown might have my vote.
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post #16 of 46
1/19/10 at 2:21pm
Ed Schultz's rant was bad enough. But imagine what would happen if some right-wing nut said what this particular left-wing nut says:

Keith Olbermann on Scott Brown
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post #17 of 46
1/19/10 at 5:36pm
Well since its "politically" correct for any left-wing Democrat to say whatever they want - lie or no lie, and get away with it (no apology or any other form of criticism), then a Republican who said something like that about a Democrat would be lynched!

Apparently its ok for Democrats to say anything they want, but its not ok for Republicans or Christians to voice their opinion. Typical lies from the left side.
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post #18 of 46
1/19/10 at 5:38pm
I personally wish there were a way to shut off all the political commentary: radio, TV, blogs, all of it. I think it's all hurt the general tone of our conversation about very important things.
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post #19 of 46
1/19/10 at 6:02pm
Olberman, like the rest of the idiotic talking heads on both sides of the aisle, is a buffoon. They guy was a hack at ESPN, he's still a hack to this day.

Hope Brown wins. I liked his comment about it being "the people's seat." Shame the rest of the dolts in D.C. don't understand that.
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post #20 of 46
1/19/10 at 6:25pm
Brown has apparently won and Coakley has conceded.

Olbermann looks like a bad TV preacher. I've heard his name, but since I almost never watch ANY TV, I've never heard his show.
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post #21 of 46
1/19/10 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Brown has apparently won and Coakley has conceded.

Olbermann looks like a bad TV preacher. I've heard his name, but since I almost never watch ANY TV, I've never heard his show.
Congrats to Brown!! Coakley concedes!

Olbermann is a jerk. He was a jerk as a sportscaster in LA some years back, and he's an even bigger jerk now.
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post #22 of 46
1/19/10 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Brown has apparently won and Coakley has conceded.
I'm so happy. This could be the start of something good. Hopefully they will go back to the drawing board and put together a healthcare plan the people can get excited about.

Thank you Massachusetts!
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post #23 of 46
1/19/10 at 7:06pm
I'm thrilled! Now it will be interesting to see how the health care debacle plays out.
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post #24 of 46
1/19/10 at 8:28pm
The people of Massachusetts sent a HUGE and I do mean HUGE message to Washington tonight.

Will they listen?

Thank you Massachusetts, I never would have believed it.
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post #25 of 46
1/19/10 at 9:34pm
Do ya think there'll be a recount?
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post #26 of 46
1/20/10 at 3:13am
Well, Coakley conceded, so it probably won't happen. Dems would be committing suicide if they did.

Looks like the bloom is off Obama's rose!!!
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post #27 of 46
1/20/10 at 4:12am
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Originally Posted by ebrillblaiddes View Post
Do ya think there'll be a recount?
No.

One of the factors here was the long, protracted and dishonest legal fight over the seat in Minnesota. Republicans and conservatives clearly learned that a close election is a lost election, so they flooded the polls with a heavy turnout.
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post #28 of 46
1/20/10 at 4:57am
They did predict an "earthquake" in Massachusetts - lets hope that it woke up Washington a little bit to rethink what they are trying to ram down the throats of Americans.....maybe its time they took the American people seriously and listened to them instead of ignoring us and thinking we all are so stupid.

Let's see who the "stupid" ones really are! Congrats to Scott - hope he does what he says!
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post #29 of 46
1/20/10 at 2:51pm
Sadly, I think the Democrats in Congress and the Obama Administration are not going to listen to the repeated messages being sent them. They are just blaming Martha Coakley.

I guess the election of two Republican governors, two months ago in New Jersey and Virginia and this, unbelievable, election in Massachusetts, all the disgruntled citizens all over the country attending the Town Hall Meetings on this boondoggle of a Health Care Bill and the Tea Party movement, that is huge, has not been enough.

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post #30 of 46
1/20/10 at 6:29pm
This is just my wild idea, but I think both sides may be missing what really caused this outcome. I'm not sure it was any sudden love for conservatism or a repudiation of liberalism.

MA has a high percentage of independents, such as I. And there are some very strong movements to vote EVERY incumbent out in any election. There are even some organized groups working to that end.

And, after all, Congress and the Senate are significantly less popular than either Obama or Bush. Slightly more popular than bedbugs (but with some real similarities) and slightly less popular than hemorrhoids.
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