6 Things I Learned from Our Ringworm Plague (book length....)

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I cannot tell you how grateful I am for your response, there is a 7-21 day period between exposure and lesions appearing. We've got our first seven since first exposure . I have all my friends praying for mercy lol, so 17 more days to go! I'm interested in how early they will culture or show signs of RW pre lesion. Vet is tomorrow, holding out hope they are rw negative
 

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Sorry to dig up an old thread. I made a post but didn’t really get very far? We adopted two kittens and one must have had ringworm. We are treating six cats total- 4 have (had?) lesions. We are have been dipping since the 4th and intrafungol since the 8th. One of our older gals had to wait on blood work so she’s a week behind on the oral meds. So like the second dip the mix got mismeasured (because we were so tired from cleaning and packing up a quarantine room and freaking out and just made a mistake) and they ended up with 16oz to a gallon. This is the only thing that went wrong that I can lead this back to- all three of our seniors (there three seniors and three kittens) are loosing all their hair. Like all of it. Whole body. One senior is losing it in these big complete patches and the other two look like mangy little bears. Their under coat is gone and they had big clumps of fur hanging off, you could just pluck it and it would come away. Thier heads are all bald. Thier skin is kind of oily and flaky. Like I would have thought it was more ringworm but all three whole body at the same time?? And it does eat glow like the original lesions did either. This started about a week after the dip mentioned above and has been going on for almost two weeks. We went to our regular vet and she thought it was from the dips but told us to keep at it. I know it was suggested on my other post to find a vet derm, but there’s only like two remotely close here VERY far away actually, and they don’t have appointments soon. Has anyone experienced this?? It’s crazy. We have had to hold them down and brush them because the hair flying around the rooms is just nuts but they DO NOT want to be handled anymore because they are so stressed. The kittens are all fine. Some dry skin a few tiny flakes but nothing else.

Also, none of their lesions glow at all anymore. And on the kittens the hairs all grown back- the seniors on glow but no hair either cause they lost it all. Do you think it’s safe to let them out of cat jail? They are miserable all being cooped up in one bedroom together. We have spent sooooo much money on this already and put vet wants so much to reculture everyone we are kind of thinking about finishing the course of meds and baths and just foregoing to cultures if everyone has no new lesions.
 
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Hi there,

I'm so sorry you are all going through this. If your vet thinks it's a good idea to re-culture everyone, why not do the PCR tests in the hopes that you can stop the quarantining, meds, dips, everything — and get back to normal? I would continue the meds until everyone has had one round and then do the tests. They're the gold standard for knowing everyone is clear. (Here's hoping that your accidental "nuclear" approach to dipping helped, NOT that I'd recommend that method, ever.)

Meanwhile, if your vet hasn't seen anything like this, and since you are so far from specialists, why can't she consult with a dermatologist on your behalf? If she can't/won't, maybe you could gather your records and try to get a phone or zoom consult somewhere. Maybe she can suggest some teaching hospitals. Your cats sound so stressed and miserable that it seems like it would be rough on them to drive them to your nearest specialist. So a "telehealth visit" might be useful here. I have no idea if vets are doing them these days, but I hope they are.

I don't know where you live, but I hope you are able to keep everyone warm since they are without their coats. (I'm in a drafty old apartment in New England and our cats are displeased with our chilly floors.) As far as the quarantine, are all of your cats being treated? Do you have other pets, kids, immunocompromised humans? We didn't quarantine because our apartment was too small and it was just the four cats and us two humans. Talk with your vet about your situation again — and if she isn't experienced with this, try asking your local rescues or shelters who handles their ringworm cases, and talk to them. Another vet's opinion might be useful here.

I wish you a speedy recovery for everyone! Hang in there — it's a horrible time but it will pass, it will!
 

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I agree exactly. Your vet could consult with a specialist or a teaching hospital. This needs to go further than just her own opinion.
 

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I’m in the US in Florida. She didn’t say she’d never seen it, she didn’t say it her way on that actually. She just said that’s what she thought it was from and that their skin didn’t look traumatized or unhealthy. I have tried the rescue we adopted from and they gave us some intrafungol cause it’s $60 a bottle but haven’t been much help otherwise. When this first started I bothered them to no end and the rescues owner called her friend a dermatologist at an emergency vet (that has a really bad rep around here BYW). They argued over the phone on three way about what to do. The rescue said lock them all up, 4 months, intrafungol for 30 days, the worlds ending burning everything you can’t wash with bleach. The the rescue lady was like nah…. Intrafungol for 21 days, leave ‘‘em out. I didn’t even clean that much and I have Persians. And my husband was wary of listing to a vet that would say that over the phone without knowing me. But anyway after that the rescue or that derm have been zero help. I asked her about that and she said she’d check and nothing happened

The PCR test is $100 and that’s for 6 cats, so minimum $1200 for that if it has to be two (and they are saying the culture is the same price)? We just don’t have it. We’ve run out of money on this. It was so soon after we had adopted and spent a ton on all the rounds of shots and and new cat stuff. One coccidia and another a URI so we treated that and a round of PCR’s already for everyone, multiple vet visits, all the many supplies for cleaning, quarantining and such. I had to by a floor cleaner because our whole house is tile and I just don’t have the energy to mop that by hand every day or every other day. We are changing the litter totally every other day. I know people want to be down on us for not being able to afford this but who would have ave anticipated thousands of dollars in care so soon after adopting what were a pair of healthy kittens. This has been a nightmare. I had even thought about just having to surrender them because our poor older cats we’ve had for over a decade. But they already became our babies. But we just don’t know what to do at this point.

Yes we have house with central heat and it’s Florida so our coldest is still only like 45F. I have a radiator heater I’ve been putting in here and a temperature sensor to let me know if I need to turn it on.

Our vet only wanted to treat the lesion kids but the rescue and that derm friend of hers said treat them all, so we did that. 6 dips twice a week a bottle of intrafubgol every 4.5 days. We haven’t done anything that’s not ringworm related since the December 28th.
 

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I forgot to add- it’s just us- my husband and I and our six cats in a smallish Florida home. It’s about 1200sq ft but it’s only two bedroom two bathroom open concept. The bathroom that’s not in the master is super tiny and has no windows. People kept suggesting to superset some into there but I just can’t do that to them. Its so small. The bedroom they are in is pretty large and has a huge sliding glass door to a gold course as a window. We put a bunch of empty bookshelf’s in there so have levels to climb on. But it’s still asking out seniors to live in close quarters with new kittens for what must seems like forever to to them. And the kittens, have not been in that room for over fifty percent of the time we’ve had them. I’m worried we are missing out on bonding time. I mean I’m in ther as much as possible, but you can only sit on the floor in PPE for so long every day.
 

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Hi All. I’ve been reading these posts over and over for a couple of months. My rescue cat came to me with ringworm. I cleaned like a maniac including going through two large bottles of Rescue spray, which veterinarians use in their practices against ringworm. I changed clothes every time I went in and out of the room he was sequestered in. As others have noted, this was awful because he was new to me. Not the best situation for our relationship, although I did spend 3 hours a day in there with him, plus visited frequently. I wore gloves and touched him a lot, but it wasn’t the same, as I’m sure you understand. Anyway, after oral medication which had been preceded by two weeks of topical terbafine, he was in the clear. I am just floored to have discovered that it is back. In the exact same spots around his ears. I feel like I am not going to do really any of the cleaning again, because I slaved over that for 6 weeks, and I’m definitely not sequestering him again. I also don’t wanna give him the oral medication again, because it’s not great for the liver. I agree with others; vets are not particularly helpful with this. So far, I am just applying the topical prescription medication, and praying. At least it’s just me and Merlin in the house. The vet wants to do blood tests to check for an underlying disease that makes him more susceptible to ringworm. If I can get him there, I guess I will do that. She also wants to do another ringworm culture, which I think is a waste of my money, since it is obviously ringworm again.

I’d love to hear from people who have experienced recurrence of ringworm. Thank you so much.
 

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Hi - bunny and everyone else! Bunny you helped me tremendously when I went through the "plague" that began in early September :) and while I was ready to have a nervous breakdown I survived - Jacob and Jonah my new kittens was brought home and had the run of the house along with my existing cat - i got lesions first, then my husband and then my son - Jackie had a spot by her eye and ear. Jackie was at the vet for almost a week while I had my house cleaned professionally by a trauma company....(I was cleaning like crazy myself) and my two new kittens went back to the shelter to be dipped and then I brought them back a month later - my older cat who stayed at the vet for 6 nights was started on intraconzol - one week on and one week off for 6 weeks. I think very cat gets a different dosage depending on their weight - while in hospital she had two anti fungal baths and once I brought her home, while still on oral liquid intraconazol...:I took her for weekly baths for 3 weeks - when the kittens came home I didn't isolate them as those spores fly and for another month I would vacumne everyday and change sheets and towels 3 times a week. And clean like crazy over and over again to the point of exhaustion - but I got through it and coming from me who has 1600 square feet of wall to wall carpet....it doesn't last forever! Once everyone was back home I didn't get any more lesions and after a month because I was clear....I felt and prayed I was out of the woods! Sounds like you did and excellent job and may this never ever happen to you again! :)
Hi there, I don’t know if you were still around, but I was very glad to read you got through this with wall-to-wall carpeting. I don’t have wall-to-wall, but I do have a fair amount of carpet. I am on my second round of ringworm after defeating it briefly. I had sprayed the living room carpet with Rescue (the vet cleaner), which to my mind was a pretty intense thing to do. So I’ve been feeling kind of desperate about what to do now. I did buy a new HEPA filter sealed system vacuum, and I’m going to vacuum that darn rug every day.
 

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Hi there,

I'm so sorry you are all going through this. If your vet thinks it's a good idea to re-culture everyone, why not do the PCR tests in the hopes that you can stop the quarantining, meds, dips, everything — and get back to normal? I would continue the meds until everyone has had one round and then do the tests. They're the gold standard for knowing everyone is clear. (Here's hoping that your accidental "nuclear" approach to dipping helped, NOT that I'd recommend that method, ever.)

Meanwhile, if your vet hasn't seen anything like this, and since you are so far from specialists, why can't she consult with a dermatologist on your behalf? If she can't/won't, maybe you could gather your records and try to get a phone or zoom consult somewhere. Maybe she can suggest some teaching hospitals. Your cats sound so stressed and miserable that it seems like it would be rough on them to drive them to your nearest specialist. So a "telehealth visit" might be useful here. I have no idea if vets are doing them these days, but I hope they are.

I don't know where you live, but I hope you are able to keep everyone warm since they are without their coats. (I'm in a drafty old apartment in New England and our cats are displeased with our chilly floors.) As far as the quarantine, are all of your cats being treated? Do you have other pets, kids, immunocompromised humans? We didn't quarantine because our apartment was too small and it was just the four cats and us two humans. Talk with your vet about your situation again — and if she isn't experienced with this, try asking your local rescues or shelters who handles their ringworm cases, and talk to them. Another vet's opinion might be useful here.

I wish you a speedy recovery for everyone! Hang in there — it's a horrible time but it will pass, it will!
Bunnelina! So glad you are still around. I just want to say how thankful I am for all the work you did communicating about ringworm in 2014. I have read it all, and it has been extremely helpful. You did us all a service. Best wishes to you
 

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Wondering about cleaning. If we vacuum but don’t remove all the hair but they spray down the item thoroughly with something that will kill spores like Rescue, will it kill any spores we may have missed vacuuming? Meaning any hairs stuck or woven in would be okay since they were disinfected. Does that make sense? It can’t grow or jump to new hairs , only hairs that have been shed from what I understand. I have a crawlspace that I couldn’t vacuum at all. I could eventually block their access from it but I was hoping to maybe use rescue in a garden sprayer under there and just treat the environment that way. It’s about 700 sq feet with a plastic vapor barrier on the ground.
 

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Wondering about cleaning. If we vacuum but don’t remove all the hair but they spray down the item thoroughly with something that will kill spores like Rescue, will it kill any spores we may have missed vacuuming? Meaning any hairs stuck or woven in would be okay since they were disinfected. Does that make sense? It can’t grow or jump to new hairs , only hairs that have been shed from what I understand. I have a crawlspace that I couldn’t vacuum at all. I could eventually block their access from it but I was hoping to maybe use rescue in a garden sprayer under there and just treat the environment that way. It’s about 700 sq feet with a plastic vapor barrier on the ground.
technically, rescue can be used on items after being vacuuming to kill the spores on the leftover hair that couldn't be collected or was missed. ideally, all the hair should be picked up, but to be honest, there are always a bit leftover of debris or hair. rescue should still work as long as it isnt a lotttt of hair left over. if its a lotttt of hair or debris, it might deactivate the rescue beforre it can do its job of killing the ringworm
 

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Wondering about cleaning. If we vacuum but don’t remove all the hair but they spray down the item thoroughly with something that will kill spores like Rescue, will it kill any spores we may have missed vacuuming? Meaning any hairs stuck or woven in would be okay since they were disinfected. Does that make sense? It can’t grow or jump to new hairs , only hairs that have been shed from what I understand. I have a crawlspace that I couldn’t vacuum at all. I could eventually block their access from it but I was hoping to maybe use rescue in a garden sprayer under there and just treat the environment that way. It’s about 700 sq feet with a plastic vapor barrier on the ground.
Tough one! Can you prevent them accessing it now? I’m assuming you can’t use a swiffer in there either. I guess I’d probably do what you were thinking about, but it has to be able to dry.
 

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Hi everyone.
My apologies for the long winded post.

4 weeks ago I rescued a stray kitten (3 months old, 3 pounds) off the streets in the city I live in. When I got him he had already been seen in a clinic and had recieved Revolution for fleas and it seemed he had a scratch on his eye and a few bald patches on his tail. He was in pretty rough shape but the clinic said he was healing great and he must of been attacked by another animal. After about a week I noticed he was scratching a lot near his ears, tail and back. We suspected healing wounds from the fleas and potential ear mites. I then took him to the vet and they confirmed an ear infection but nothing worse. His ears started healing and tail started growing fur back beautifully, but some of the itching never stopped. By week 2 he had free reign on my house.

Come week 3 I had noticed a small red itchy spot on myself that was forming a circle as well as my roommate and mother. I then knew what this was. I took him immediately to the vet and they confirmed it was ringworm under a woods lamp but took a culture as well. They recommended I clean my house well and isolate them. I live with 2 roommates, share a bathroom, and have no where to keep him other than my carpeted walk in closet. They prescribed 21 days of terbinafine and lime sulfer dips.

Fast forward to today - He is on day 5 of the terbinafine, is about to have his second dip tomorrow and has zero lesions but is still confined to my large closet. In terms of cleaning I have been an absolute anxious wreck. I deep cleaned my house twice now with lots of bleach, swiffering, vaccuuming, steaming, laundering etc. I feel as though I was tiptoeing through my house careful to not track spores as it feels impossible to live normally right now.

I then found Dr. Moriellos research (which is so insightful) claiming it is very rare for a human or cat to be reinfected from the environment rather cleaning is reccommended so that the kitten does not produce a false positive test due to spores being stuck in their fur. This made me feel better, however, it is nearly impossible to clean his space with carpet and feel like I have done a good job. I now use rescue every other day around my home and vacuum as frequently as possible.

Additionally, I now have about 30 lesions on myself and have been prescribed an oral dose of ketoconazole and clotrimazole topical cream. I have been developing 2 new lesions everyday. It is so discouraging waking up every morning knowing it still hasnt stopped spreading.

My questions for the group:
- Has anyone else isolated their cat in a carpeted space and how often did you clean the space? I feel like the cleaning is taking a huge toll on my mental health.
- Did anyone else develop this many lesions on themselves and how long did it take for them to stop spreading and start healing?
- Did anyones kittens lose their fun, outgoing personality after isolation?

Thanks so much everyone!
 

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Hi everyone.
My apologies for the long winded post.

4 weeks ago I rescued a stray kitten (3 months old, 3 pounds) off the streets in the city I live in. When I got him he had already been seen in a clinic and had recieved Revolution for fleas and it seemed he had a scratch on his eye and a few bald patches on his tail. He was in pretty rough shape but the clinic said he was healing great and he must of been attacked by another animal. After about a week I noticed he was scratching a lot near his ears, tail and back. We suspected healing wounds from the fleas and potential ear mites. I then took him to the vet and they confirmed an ear infection but nothing worse. His ears started healing and tail started growing fur back beautifully, but some of the itching never stopped. By week 2 he had free reign on my house.

Come week 3 I had noticed a small red itchy spot on myself that was forming a circle as well as my roommate and mother. I then knew what this was. I took him immediately to the vet and they confirmed it was ringworm under a woods lamp but took a culture as well. They recommended I clean my house well and isolate them. I live with 2 roommates, share a bathroom, and have no where to keep him other than my carpeted walk in closet. They prescribed 21 days of terbinafine and lime sulfer dips.

Fast forward to today - He is on day 5 of the terbinafine, is about to have his second dip tomorrow and has zero lesions but is still confined to my large closet. In terms of cleaning I have been an absolute anxious wreck. I deep cleaned my house twice now with lots of bleach, swiffering, vaccuuming, steaming, laundering etc. I feel as though I was tiptoeing through my house careful to not track spores as it feels impossible to live normally right now.

I then found Dr. Moriellos research (which is so insightful) claiming it is very rare for a human or cat to be reinfected from the environment rather cleaning is reccommended so that the kitten does not produce a false positive test due to spores being stuck in their fur. This made me feel better, however, it is nearly impossible to clean his space with carpet and feel like I have done a good job. I now use rescue every other day around my home and vacuum as frequently as possible.

Additionally, I now have about 30 lesions on myself and have been prescribed an oral dose of ketoconazole and clotrimazole topical cream. I have been developing 2 new lesions everyday. It is so discouraging waking up every morning knowing it still hasnt stopped spreading.

My questions for the group:
- Has anyone else isolated their cat in a carpeted space and how often did you clean the space? I feel like the cleaning is taking a huge toll on my mental health.
- Did anyone else develop this many lesions on themselves and how long did it take for them to stop spreading and start healing?
- Did anyones kittens lose their fun, outgoing personality after isolation?

Thanks so much everyone!

one of my rescue cat came with ringworm and ran amok for 2-3 weeks before i ended up developing lesions myself which turned into 70 lesions by the second week. it was horrible. anyways that happened august-september 2021. at that time i had 2 cats. now i have three cats. all three had positive and then a negative ringworm culture every other month till june 2022.

june - August 2022 all three came back negative for two fungal cultures in a row done at the vet. but that is very costly. i recommend buying at home fugal culture just so that you can monitor the progression yourself. pros: its cheaper and dont need to wait 2-3 weeks for the vet to get back to you. you could see the if the fungal culture develop day by day. you have to ship this express because it needs to be refrigerated so the shipping is expensive. it is more worth if you buy multiple tests.


my cats were in quarantine from sept/october 2021 - august 2022 because the ringworm kept coming back. my cats have been free since and im still doing the at home fungal culture just to monitor for reinfection from the environment.

unfortunately, if youre still getting ringworm lesions, it means the environment isn't clean yet. usually ringworm on humans wont be contagious anymore after two days of medication from what i heard. change your bedsheet and clothes daily. when you do laundry, go for the highest wash cycle, the goal is get rid as much fur on the items as possible. maximum agitation. according to my vet dermatologist, maximum agitation is more efficient in getting rid of ringworm spores then use hot water/ high heat.
i used borax on my laundry as well. google said it works, but idk if it actually works, but it did made me feels better.
my cat's first infection of ringworm i got 70 lesions, my cat's reinfection afterwards, i developed 5 lesions, and then one lesion and then no lesions.
when you interact with your cat, wear gloves and swap shoes and change clothes after interacting with your cat. the less items you have outside the better. the stuff you dont really use, disinfect them and then store them away.

some people who dealt with ringworm were lucky and didnt have to do too much to get rid of it, but that not everyone.
since you do only have one pet i assume, it shoudl be easier to get rid of the ringworm with time since theres no other pets to pass the rignworm back and forth to.

i had to store my stuff into a closet and then plastic wrap the closet, sofa, etc.
my cats werent isolated in a carpeted closet so i cant give much input in that. but that carpeted closet's floor might make it harder to clean.
my cats were originally isolated in my bedroom and allowed to roam free in it, but since they kept getting ringworm again in that very room i disnfected a lot, i ended up moving them into a large dog kernel. each cat were in their own cage because cleaning the whole room was very hard especially if you have things that cant be moved or cleaned easily in that room. the kernel idea helped a lot because it limited what my cats could touch since cats can pretty much touch ANYTHING :(.

i was living in the living room since i converted my bedroom into the isolation room. everything in the bedroom that was very hard to clean, i either threw it out, or clean it very well once and then plastic wrapped it in case fur will fly into it. i disinfected the kernel twice weekly and vacuumed it twice daily. litter box was entirely changed daily. i kept them in the kernels from april 2022- august 2022.
my cats were loveable from the beginning and very stressed during the entirety of the isolation.
they all still have the same personality and one might have even bonded with me more because i was pretty much her only interaction with her during the isolation.

after having ringworm for a year pretty much, dont assume that if the cat grew back the fur, that it means they dont have ringworm. the only definitive confirmation of it is a fungal culture. my cats were full of fur after they healed from their first ringworm infection and when their culture came back negative, but the ringworm came back again.

to decrease stress of the cats, i recommend gettin feliway. coudl give the cat cardboard boxes and towels for them to scratch and sleep in. i changed the cardboard box and towel daily. i gave them plastic balls and disinfected it twice weekly. miele is also the best vacuum for ringworm.
the clorox wipes i attached below also kills ringworm even though it doenst say on the label. i called the company and they do kill ringworm but just didnt mention it on the label because they wanted to advertised as more antiviral. lysol disinfectant kills ringworm as well and good for pourous materials.

ringworm is very damaging on mental health. after a year of ringworm with 3 cats, i wanted to give up and run away a lot.
another member on the site had 8 pets (2 dogs and 6 cats) with ringworm. she isolated each of the pets in their own kernel and disinfected a lot. that was probably back in march- may and all 8 pets have been ringworm free since. she only had one infection of ringworm.
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Hi! I haven’t read this entire thread yet, but I read a lot and figured this was the place to ask since the Cat Site links to it from their article on ringworm.

cat toys. Throw them away? The little stuffed ones I was going to wash but I mean the cat trees and toys that can’t be washed. I hate to throw them out but I’m not sure how to disinfect them.
 

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A number of sites recommend getting rid of cat trees, but if they are upholstered with standard carpeting you might try cleaning them in the way that wall to wall carpeting is cleaned which might include steam cleaning.
 
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