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post #61 of 83
3/12/10 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by ebrillblaiddes View Post
But a hard-and-fast ban on adding salt (or other ingredients, for that matter) isn't the answer either. Off the top of my head, they could get around it on many things by making the stuff somewhere else and shipping it in, probably with more preservatives being added in the process.

How about a one-line quickie version of nutrition facts being added toon the menu, with calories just as themselves and a few other things (sodium, fat, and cholesterol come to mind) as a percent of what a typical healthy person should limit themselves to over the course of a day? (The restaurant might also choose to include information about usually positive things like protein and vitamins.) Then, when the customers see that the Holy Crap Burger has 175% of their daily fat intake and 95% of the sodium, most of them will order something else and the restaurant will eventually get the message.
I agree 100% ... Mc Donalds has the nutritional info on the back of the ad on your tray... NOTE: I have a high need for salt and fat but I only eat the adult version of a happy meal to keep my waistline in check... By the way lets say the fries and burgers are often healthier than a salad ...
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post #62 of 83
3/12/10 at 4:20pm
One problem with lowering the salt intake of everyone is that, oddly enough, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome gets more common. Or had you heard that?
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post #63 of 83
3/12/10 at 4:55pm
Salt is not the only source of sodium, it's also monosodium glutamate (MSG), it's baking soda and a host of other food additives.
http://adam.about.com/encyclopedia/002415fod.htm
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post #64 of 83
3/12/10 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
One problem with lowering the salt intake of everyone is that, oddly enough, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome gets more common. Or had you heard that?
My doctor actually told me to increase my sodium intake after moving to a lower sodium diet because of restlessness, tiredness and blood pressure issues so it doesnt surprise me, however, there is a difference between lowering to an unsafe level and lowering to a reasonable level. I feel better when I eat between 1800 and 2100mg (with the daily recommendations being 1200/1500-2400 depending on age and health issues)

However, eating out is just bad for your sodium intake - many restaurants buy preserved food, topped with salt when cooking and customers adding salt before tasting, but so can some regular foods. A medium bagel with cream cheese at a local cafe has 855mg of sodium, processed cheese has 400mg per 1oz slice - the amount of sodium just in the ingredients is insane.

But that being said, restaurants here are starting to add nutritional info and that is enough to make an informed choice which is fine with me. I know that on a lower sodium diet, I can't eat out often because so many dishes are high in sodium. I check the nutritional data online for new restaurants where possible - I take responsibility for what I eat, but I do think the restaurants should help by including the data rather than being told not to cook with salt and just buying higher sodium ingredients to get around it.
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post #65 of 83
3/13/10 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
So, you would be okay if there were a ban on all foods that contain sugar, for instance? After all, obesity is an epedemic.
Did you know that a teaspoon of sugar is only about 15 calories, and doctors today are recommending today that if you need to sweeten your foods, to use real sugar rather than artificial sweeteners? Your body knows how to process real sugar. It doesn't know what to do with artificial sweeteners which actually causes your body to crave other things and eat more.

My point in this? Sugar plays a very insignificant role in obesity but how many people think that eliminating sugar is all they need to do to lose weight?

I'm beginning to think that a broader education on healthy life habits is most important here.
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post #66 of 83
3/13/10 at 7:37am
By the way, someone mentioned MSG in foods. It's still there, and plenty of it, often under other names.
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post #67 of 83
3/13/10 at 8:08am
Yes and there will always be high sodium in some meals regardless of whether it is added, breaded meats for example, 1/4 cup of breadcrumbs can have between 200-800mg sodium depending on the brand and seasoning, cornmeal 450mg per 1/4 cup, 1tsp of baking powder in a pastry has 1200mg.

I think we need to do more to lower sodium intake as a whole, through education and ingredients - telling chefs not to add salt is plain stupid when their meal can have 2000mg easily just through the ingredients. And places like McDonalds have great lobbyists and will no doubt get themselves and others an exemption anyway
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post #68 of 83
3/13/10 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Did you know that a teaspoon of sugar is only about 15 calories, and doctors today are recommending today that if you need to sweeten your foods, to use real sugar rather than artificial sweeteners? Your body knows how to process real sugar. It doesn't know what to do with artificial sweeteners which actually causes your body to crave other things and eat more.

My point in this? Sugar plays a very insignificant role in obesity but how many people think that eliminating sugar is all they need to do to lose weight?

I'm beginning to think that a broader education on healthy life habits is most important here.
Well said! I personally use natural ingredients in my cooking, like butter and sugar - no margarine or sweeteners in my kitchen. Teaching people to eat a healthy, well-balanced diet and actually having them eat that way would do a great deal to cut back on obesity caused by over-eating/unhealthy eating.
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post #69 of 83
3/13/10 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
One problem with lowering the salt intake of everyone is that, oddly enough, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome gets more common. Or had you heard that?
sharky and I touched on it in the past. The reason is because in some individuals it's very easy for their blood volume to drop. Salt and fluids keep it up. I'm one of those types - I don't have CFS, but I do have blood pressure and orthostatic problems that are drastically affected by my lower blood volume. Most with CFS are a subtype of what I have, in fact.

I still think one of the most important things is that people actually learn how to cook for themselves, and how to do so quickly for those who don't have a lot of time. That could lower some reliance on the convenience foods that are often full of sodium.
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post #70 of 83
3/13/10 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
By the way, someone mentioned MSG in foods. It's still there, and plenty of it, often under other names.
Meat tenderizer is usually MSG, I believe. I don't care though--the panic was caused by one person who happened to be a doctor and have some symptoms one time after eating some Chinese with MSG in it.

Um, Chinese food, not Chinese people. That would be wrong.

Anyway, they've never managed to duplicate the effect in a large-scale double-blind study, last I heard.
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post #71 of 83
3/16/10 at 9:00am
If someone tries to ban McDonalds Ill go on a killing spree!! IMHO it should be up to the individual to monitor their habits if they are so worried about whats in restaurants then dont go out to eat in them. I probably have the WORST eating habits out of anyone I know, I will eat a box of fruit snacks as a meal, I LOVE LOVE LOVE double cheeseburgers and fries and I hate cooking because it means I have to wash dishes. But thats all on me I know that my eating habits arent good for me but Im not blaming the food companies or anyone else for making the stuff its my fault for buying it and shoveling into my mouth. I dont exercise I eat like crap and IM HAPPY! By the time Im 40 I probably wont still be wearing my 0 jeans but Ill still be happy. I would like to think that the older I get the more Ill start caring about what I eat but if I dont its still my choice to eat what I want do what I want and gain or lose as much weight as I want as long as Im happy and its MY choice!

BTW I dont have the website handy but a friend of mine told me how a small order of McDonalds fries are the healthiest fast food fries you can get....Arbys is the worst!
Im going to try and find the website to post on here but she looked it up because people were hassling her about her having McDonalds cravings during her pregnancy
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post #72 of 83
3/16/10 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by 3CatsN1Dog View Post
BTW I dont have the website handy but a friend of mine told me how a small order of McDonalds fries are the healthiest fast food fries you can get....Arbys is the worst!
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/fe...are-healthiest

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And the award for best fast-food french fry, healthwise, goes to ... Sonic Drive-In's regular fries, which are lowest in calories, fat grams, percentage of calories from fat, and total amount of "bad fats." (As well as second lowest in sodium.) The runner up is McDonald's small fries, which ranked second lowest in calories, fat grams, and "bad fats."

But they are the healthiest deep fried fries - not the healthiest fast food, in fact far from the healthiest fast food
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post #73 of 83
3/16/10 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by 3CatsN1Dog View Post
If someone tries to ban McDonalds Ill go on a killing spree!! IMHO it should be up to the individual to monitor their habits if they are so worried about whats in restaurants then dont go out to eat in them. I probably have the WORST eating habits out of anyone I know, I will eat a box of fruit snacks as a meal, I LOVE LOVE LOVE double cheeseburgers and fries and I hate cooking because it means I have to wash dishes. But thats all on me I know that my eating habits arent good for me but Im not blaming the food companies or anyone else for making the stuff its my fault for buying it and shoveling into my mouth. I dont exercise I eat like crap and IM HAPPY! By the time Im 40 I probably wont still be wearing my 0 jeans but Ill still be happy. I would like to think that the older I get the more Ill start caring about what I eat but if I dont its still my choice to eat what I want do what I want and gain or lose as much weight as I want as long as Im happy and its MY choice!
Your health will be everyone's concern if they have to put money in the coffers to cover your illnesses in later life from your unhealthy eating now so it does affect others even if it makes you very happy.

Healthy eating does not need to be time consuming or expensive and can be as tasty or even moreso than junk food. That's where the education needs to come in as was said above. I smoked for 49 years because "I liked it and wanted to". I was active, could do anything I wanted and was happy. Then it took it's toll and now I have trouble breathing if I do not take my medications every day and if I lift anything heavy or try to carry more than 20 lbs. It took 62 years to catch up with me but it did and I wish I could go back and start over as a non-smoker. Once the damage is done, often it cannot be undone and when we are young our bodies can take the beating but eventually they'll break down and we start saying, "if only . . .".
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post #74 of 83
3/17/10 at 6:52am
The sad thing is that I dont have medical insurance and if something that drastic happens then so be it. Ive got a history of breast cancer in my family and I also have a severe blood disorder that could kill me. Im at peace with the fact that even in this day and age Im probably going to die young either from the cancer or a blood clot. I dont want anyone paying for me to lie in a hospital bed wasting away to nothing miserable and medicated. Id rather go out happy eating hershey kisses and fruit snacks than try and prevent the inevitable. If I live to be 90 yrs old woohoo if I die at 50 so be it atleast Im going down the way I want to.
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post #75 of 83
3/17/10 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by 3CatsN1Dog View Post
The sad thing is that I dont have medical insurance and if something that drastic happens then so be it.
With the way things are going you won't have a say in that anymore. You'll pay for your health insurance one way or another and if you don't have it, will be fined. Other countries are already like this (I know this is how it works in the Netherlands).
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post #76 of 83
3/17/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by 3CatsN1Dog View Post
The sad thing is that I dont have medical insurance and if something that drastic happens then so be it. Ive got a history of breast cancer in my family and I also have a severe blood disorder that could kill me. Im at peace with the fact that even in this day and age Im probably going to die young either from the cancer or a blood clot. I dont want anyone paying for me to lie in a hospital bed wasting away to nothing miserable and medicated. Id rather go out happy eating hershey kisses and fruit snacks than try and prevent the inevitable. If I live to be 90 yrs old woohoo if I die at 50 so be it atleast Im going down the way I want to.
But what happens if you get sick and have to be in the hospital, and you don't die you get better and then you have hundreds of thousands of debt to pay...
Or, how would you relatives feel if in order for the doctors to treat you and save you, you have to pay before you get the treatment, and you can't afford it- IMO everyone in your immediate family and people who care about you will feel like they need to step up and sell everything in order to help pay for your treatment to save you. I know if someone like my mom or sister had something like this happen, I'd be willing to sell everything I have for them to get the best treatment, kind of like with my cat lol (which is why both me and Jake have health insurance)
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post #77 of 83
3/18/10 at 1:41pm
I dont want it. I dont want the medical treatment I dont want people sitting by a bedside with me hooked up to machines and crap like that. And if I got into a horrible car accident and survived and had medical bills well then till I died Id pay them as much as I can a month till it was paid off. Until I get my medical insurance which who knows how long that will be because Im on a waiting list I honestly dont care my living will and power of attorney knows that absolutely NOTHING drastic gets done. I dont want any of it and if it comes down to it yank the plug and give it to someone else I dont want it.

Heaven forbid that someone try and fine me for not having medical insurance because if they try then they can pay the premiums that is horrifically EXPENSIVE. What are you supposed to do when your job keeps you below the hours needed to qualify for their health plan and that was just the most basic of horrible insurance plans. Working means you dont qualify for medical assistance and unless your over the age of 65 or having a kid you still dont get medical assistance and Im not having a kid just to get medical insurance so I can go get my blood drawn every 3 mths to make sure Im healthy!!!!
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post #78 of 83
3/18/10 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by 3CatsN1Dog View Post
I dont want it. I dont want the medical treatment I dont want people sitting by a bedside with me hooked up to machines and crap like that. And if I got into a horrible car accident and survived and had medical bills well then till I died Id pay them as much as I can a month till it was paid off. Until I get my medical insurance which who knows how long that will be because Im on a waiting list I honestly dont care my living will and power of attorney knows that absolutely NOTHING drastic gets done. I dont want any of it and if it comes down to it yank the plug and give it to someone else I dont want it.
Many people say the same thing when they are young but when and if something should happen, they suddenly realize they don't really want to die and will do whatever it takes to stay alive. Never say never.
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post #79 of 83
3/19/10 at 6:20am
I feel the way I do about all the machines and everything like that because my first and only memories of my grandmother was watching her die. I watched my favorite Aunt die from the same blood disorder I have, Ive watched my mom get hooked up to machine after machine and DRs telling her she will lose her leg from our blood disorder. Its horrible its memories I dont EVER want to pass on to my kids and its not something I want BF to go thru. I saw what it did to my pop pop after my mom mom died, my uncle I see how my mom is all the time. Its horrible and I hate it I hate thinking that someday I could possibly do all that to someone. Id really just rather everyone make peace with my choice to not make them suffer thru it. Death is hard enough to deal with I hope that when my time comes its as peaceful as possible for everyone in my life.
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post #80 of 83
3/19/10 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Many people say the same thing when they are young but when and if something should happen, they suddenly realize they don't really want to die and will do whatever it takes to stay alive. Never say never.
I have had a DNR order since my 19th birthday when I was legally able in the state I was in.... In 13 years I have only added reasons for having it ... Of course I think it depends on how you grew up , I grew up around death and chronic illness seeing what those who did not plan ahead went through.
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post #81 of 83
3/19/10 at 9:19am
a DNR only covers you if you are not breathing, if you have broken bones from a bad fall etc or need medical care for an illness that does not result in them not breathing - it doesn't help
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post #82 of 83
3/19/10 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
a DNR only covers you if you are not breathing, if you have broken bones from a bad fall etc or need medical care for an illness that does not result in them not breathing - it doesn't help
Well, a DNR doesn't apply in those circumstances because it stands for Do Not Resuscitate, and resuscitate refers specifically to restoring breathing or pulse. If they still have a pulse and are breathing, there's nothing to resuscitate anyway, but they can still refuse treatment (including in advance, in writing).
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post #83 of 83
3/19/10 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
a DNR only covers you if you are not breathing, if you have broken bones from a bad fall etc or need medical care for an illness that does not result in them not breathing - it doesn't help
Yes ,I would have broken bone fixed ...... I have been on hydration IVs, Had dozens of Mri s and over 5 surgeries ... As also noted I also have other items in writing and have since I was 19 ...
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