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Pather is throwing up again. :( Please help!

post #1 of 36
1/3/10 at 10:01pm
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Panther threw up Friday night after a big meal (I accidentally gave them too much).

He threw up just now again, he probably threw up ALL the food he ate today, because I can see his breakfast.

I work 6 am to 6 pm shift, and I had experience of him eating too much dry food when I was gone and threw up. So I gave them some canned food this morning around 5 am. I came home around 7 pm, not much of the dry food was eaten. So I made them some raw food. Panther ate about 2 oz of that. I do not think it is enough, but I do not want him to eat too much at a time. So I waited 2.5 hours, and gave him another 1.5 oz. He finished it all. Then about 2 mins later, he threw up all his food of the day.

I do not think he eats too fast, he is a slow eater. Do you think I feed them too much? They are both 4.5 months old, Panther as of 2 weeks ago was 6.2 lbs, Cheetah was 5.9 lbs. According to raw feeding guidelines, they should be eating about 7-8 oz per day. Sometimes they do not even eat that much.

He does not throw up every day, he threw up about 4 times in the 2 months I have been having them. One about 1 month ago, 1 time last week, 1 time last Friday and 1 time today. I haven't introduced new meat in his diet.

What can I do with my work schedule? (Good that I only go to work 3 days in a week, so other days I can feed them every 6 hours) Please help.
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post #2 of 36
1/4/10 at 12:26am
Hi, Koobe!

Twelve plus hours is probably too long for Panther to go without food, as some cats get upset tummies if meals are spaced out too much, most especially if they're kittens.

Can you buy an automatic feeder for your 12-hour shift days?

As for how much you're feeding, the general guideline (which I know you know ) is 2 - 4% of body weight. Both cats are still kittens, so we'd definitely go with 4%.

Panther = 6.2 x 16 x .04 = 3.97 ounces of food a day
Cheetah = 5.9 x 16 x .04 = 3.77 ounces of food a day

Given that, I don't think you're feeding too much.
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post #3 of 36
1/4/10 at 6:34am
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Hi Auntie Crazy,

I do leave out a bowl of dry food when I am at work. It was the same yesterday, Panther did not eat much of that.

I definitely feed them more than 4 oz each day. I was under the impression that kittens should eat double, so thinking of 8%.

I will reduce their meal to about 1 oz per meal, 3-4 meals a day when I am not working. I hope it will help.

Thank you very much for your reply.
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post #4 of 36
1/4/10 at 6:55am
Because you have kittens, I wouldn't reduce the amount of food you're feeding, UNLESS they aren't eating some of it, and then I'd only reduce it by the amount they're leaving behind.

Nor will reducing the amount of food offered help Panther's tummy on those 12+ hours between feeding days. Panther doesn't like dry kibble, so it looks like you're going to have to come up with an alternative plan to feed the two on those days.

Can you run home during a break? Can you get a neighbor's kid to come in and plop a can of cat food down? How about an automatic feeder? I don't own one, but I've heard they can be used for canned foods now, so that would totally solve the issue for you.
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post #5 of 36
1/4/10 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post
Because you have kittens, I wouldn't reduce the amount of food you're feeding, UNLESS they aren't eating some of it, and then I'd only reduce it by the amount they're leaving behind.

Nor will reducing the amount of food offered help Panther's tummy on those 12+ hours between feeding days. Panther doesn't like dry kibble, so it looks like you're going to have to come up with an alternative plan to feed the two on those days.

Can you run home during a break? Can you get a neighbor's kid to come in and plop a can of cat food down? How about an automatic feeder? I don't own one, but I've heard they can be used for canned foods now, so that would totally solve the issue for you.
Actually Panther likes dry food. He will eat it when he is hungry. When I said he does not eat much, I meant I do not think he is that hungry. Cheetah is the one who does not like dry, but he will still eat some. Last night after throwing up, he ate about 2 tablespoon of dry food an hour later and kept wanting more.

Cheetah used to like canned food, now he has been introducted to raw food, I put down half of a Fancy Feast this morning, Cheetah was not even interested.

Panther has been fine, 2 of the times he threw up was about 5-10 minutes a big meal or after frequently than normal feeding.

My company does not allow us to drive due to insurance issue. My brother goes to college, so last semester I was able to get him to feed the kitties before he goes to school around 10 am. I will have to check his schedule this term. I will check on the auto feeder.

Thank you!
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post #6 of 36
1/9/10 at 11:54am
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I think Panther's puking is due to allergic to lamb. I gave him some raw lamb at 6:30 pm last night. He had some raw quail in the afternoon, and he hasn't eaten much dry during the dry. 5 mins after a few pieces of lamb, he threw up. Not like before, he did not throw up a lot, just a few pieces of chewed lamb and a lot of greenish liquid. Thinking about the last 2 pukings, I also gave him commercial raw lamb.

I think it is pretty safe to assume that he is allergic to lamb.
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post #7 of 36
1/9/10 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by koobe View Post
I think Panther's puking is due to allergic to lamb. I gave him some raw lamb at 6:30 pm last night. He had some raw quail in the afternoon, and he hasn't eaten much dry during the dry. 5 mins after a few pieces of lamb, he threw up. Not like before, he did not throw up a lot, just a few pieces of chewed lamb and a lot of greenish liquid. Thinking about the last 2 pukings, I also gave him commercial raw lamb.

I think it is pretty safe to assume that he is allergic to lamb.
he likely has an issue with lamb ... but likely it is a flavor vs true allergy issue
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post #8 of 36
1/9/10 at 12:48pm
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he likely has an issue with lamb ... but likely it is a flavor vs true allergy issue
How is that? True allergy issue will have more symptoms?
He has been eating quail this morning just fine too. But he hasn't been eating a lot, maybe 1.5 oz. But I am sure he ate some dry food between last night and this morning too.
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post #9 of 36
1/9/10 at 3:35pm
I hope you're on to something here with the lamb. That would definitely make sense, if his throwing up is correlated with eating a certain food. While it may not be a true "allergy," it's definitely an adverse reaction and something you and Panther would like to avoid in the future!!
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post #10 of 36
1/9/10 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by koobe View Post
How is that? True allergy issue will have more symptoms?
He has been eating quail this morning just fine too. But he hasn't been eating a lot, maybe 1.5 oz. But I am sure he ate some dry food between last night and this morning too.
timing... and digestion rate...

I agree not feeding him anymore lamb because it is a VERY adverse reaction
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post #11 of 36
1/10/10 at 3:23pm
Try breaking the dry food into smaller bits, that will aid digestion and then work on moving kitty off of dry into a quality canned meat based food.
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post #12 of 36
1/10/10 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by groingo View Post
Try breaking the dry food into smaller bits, that will aid digestion and then work on moving kitty off of dry into a quality canned meat based food.
Um NO breaking up dry food only makes it less likely for a rapid feeder to be less likely to throw it up.Basic cat knowledge is that cats do NOT actually chew there food and thus it is digested in rather large bit size . DO you ACTUALLY read the posts?? This is about a cat throwing up RAW food...
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post #13 of 36
1/10/10 at 5:40pm
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Thanks for the replies. Panther and Cheetah will not eat canned food now. Panther has not been a big fan of canned but Cheetah was. Now Cheetah is sold on raw, no dry and no canned will interest him.

Is it common that cat who are allergic to lamb will also be allergic to beef?
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post #14 of 36
1/10/10 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by koobe View Post
Thanks for the replies. Panther and Cheetah will not eat canned food now. Panther has not been a big fan of canned but Cheetah was. Now Cheetah is sold on raw, no dry and no canned will interest him.

Is it common that cat who are allergic to lamb will also be allergic to beef?
No beef and venison are "miles" apart... lamb and venison seem to relate close with allergies
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post #15 of 36
1/13/10 at 1:42pm
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Okay...Panther just threw up again!

He was doing great for 3 days with no puking at all. I gave him commercial turkey raw, chicken raw, quail raw, pork raw these days and had no problem, And he has been eating about 6-8 oz of raw and a little less than 1/4 cup of dry each day.

This morning, he had ground turkey (commercial) mixed with homemade raw chicken. And he had homemade pork for lunch. He did not throw up right after eating, he was playing for about 20 mins before he does. I see pieces of quail in it, pretty big piece, some as long as 3/4 of a inch. I do not think it is because of allergy this time.
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post #16 of 36
1/13/10 at 4:54pm
Likely he is getting to active right after eating... Many young humans have this issue
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post #17 of 36
1/13/10 at 10:41pm
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Likely he is getting to active right after eating... Many young humans have this issue
One thing I notice is they are extremely active right after eating. You can see them running around like bullets. I have been told that I should give them however much they want to eat as kittens. So I try to give them a little more if they finish. So maybe I should avoid letting them to get too full now?
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post #18 of 36
1/18/10 at 8:47pm
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Panther just threw up again. This time, he ate maybe 1.5 oz of chicken. They are small pieces and the biggest piece is like a size of M&Ms. Bones were cut down to 1/4 inch smaller. 10 mins after he ate, he threw up. He wasn't jumping around or anything. And it was just the dinner that he threw up.

He had Rad Cat commercial raw turkey for breakfast and lunch and it worked fine.

This last throw up was last Wednesday after big pieces of quail. Since then he has had pork, chicken and turkey and had no problems. He was eating a little less for a day after his throw up. Then he starts eating quite a lot. My bro said he did not finish his lunch this afternoon also.

I am seriously worried, should I bring him to the vet? I can only bring him on Thurs. Is it too late?
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post #19 of 36
1/18/10 at 9:06pm
You know many of OUR mottos on here ... WHEN in DOUBT at least CALL the vet.... If the vet has concern they will say bring him in
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post #20 of 36
1/19/10 at 7:40am
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You know many of OUR mottos on here ... WHEN in DOUBT at least CALL the vet.... If the vet has concern they will say bring him in
The problem is that I do not have a good vet to talk to. Long story, I will have to go to a new animal hospital later this week.
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post #21 of 36
1/19/10 at 4:08pm
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Panther threw up again just now. He ate chicken for lunch. Is it possible that the checken is bad and he still eats it?

Or is that something in the raw food? I put pork liver in the mix this time. Is that possible?
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post #22 of 36
1/19/10 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by koobe View Post
Panther threw up again just now. He ate chicken for lunch. Is it possible that the checken is bad and he still eats it?

Or is that something in the raw food? I put pork liver in the mix this time. Is that possible?
I WONT feed pork... but You know how ultra cautious I am... Pork liver is a neutral meat but if an allergy is present the results are the same
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post #23 of 36
1/19/10 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
I WONT feed pork... but You know how ultra cautious I am... Pork liver is a neutral meat but if an allergy is present the results are the same
Sharky, is it possible that the raw food is rotten and Panther still eat it? I heard cats are pretty good about refusing rotten food?

And what types of meat is prompt to allergy? Rabbit? Duck? Beef? Lamb? Venison?
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post #24 of 36
1/19/10 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by koobe View Post
Sharky, is it possible that the raw food is rotten and Panther still eat it? I heard cats are pretty good about refusing rotten food?

And what types of meat is prompt to allergy? Rabbit? Duck? Beef? Lamb? Venison?
it is possible but normally not a probable for a cat to eat truly rotten meat...

ANY meat is possible ... by the commercial uses , chicken , beef , lamb and fish are the higher % .... this is because MOST cats have been exposed to them...

ANY protein can cause an allergen
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post #25 of 36
1/19/10 at 4:54pm
Poor Panther - something is not sitting right in his tummy.

Sharky - what if koobe just feeds Panther one meat, meal and liver for a couple of days... one protein source at a time ... and see if the issue can be isolated??? Does that make sense?
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post #26 of 36
1/19/10 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by AddieBee View Post
Poor Panther - something is not sitting right in his tummy.

Sharky - what if koobe just feeds Panther one meat, meal and liver for a couple of days... one protein source at a time ... and see if the issue can be isolated??? Does that make sense?
Yes but it needs to be all one source for a period for 6-8 weeks
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post #27 of 36
1/19/10 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
it is possible but normally not a probable for a cat to eat truly rotten meat...

ANY meat is possible ... by the commercial uses , chicken , beef , lamb and fish are the higher % .... this is because MOST cats have been exposed to them...

ANY protein can cause an allergen
I will try to throw away the bag of chicken I have now. Panther has eaten chicken before with no problem.

I am not trying to avoid seeing a vet, but it looks like Panther is just throwing up after eating the wrong food. And he will be good for a few days. He is jumping and running other than that.

I wonder if a vet can help me figure out what food he is allergic to without letting his try all the different stuff and puke his heart out.
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post #28 of 36
1/19/10 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by koobe View Post
I will try to throw away the bag of chicken I have now. Panther has eaten chicken before with no problem.

I am not trying to avoid seeing a vet, but it looks like Panther is just throwing up after eating the wrong food. And he will be good for a few days. He is jumping and running other than that.

I wonder if a vet can help me figure out what food he is allergic to without letting his try all the different stuff and puke his heart out.
allergy tests are IMHO not terribly reliable ... lol I have a deadly allergy to some foods .. only a holistic test has them show up ... blood and prick picked up mild... lol... mild supposed allergy sent me into anaphalatic shock in under a minute
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post #29 of 36
1/19/10 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by AddieBee View Post
Poor Panther - something is not sitting right in his tummy.

Sharky - what if koobe just feeds Panther one meat, meal and liver for a couple of days... one protein source at a time ... and see if the issue can be isolated??? Does that make sense?
The funny thing is that I looked at the calendar, and Panther is puking every 5 days, except these 2 days he threw up 2 days in a row. I am wondering about the chicken that I defrozed 2 days ago. He mainly eats turkey and chicken (another bag) and he was okay.

He would throw up and the second after that, he will be all hyper and jumping. Then after 20 mins, he would come meowing for food.
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post #30 of 36
1/24/10 at 10:44pm
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So I threw away that bag of chicken, and everything went very well. I am guessing maybe some water went into the bag when I put it in water to defrost it?

So Panther ate commercial chicken, commercial turkey, homemade quail and pork and had no problem.

So I gave him some beef to try to night, about 1/2 tablespoon. Then he threw up. He threw up one time long ago after beef canned food. But I figured out I will let him try one more time to make sure.

So I am pretty much confirmed he is allergic to beef too. If he is allergic to lamb and beef, can I assume that he is allergic to goat too? Should I let him try venison too? I can't get raw venison, but I do have canned venison. I gave him that before (mixing with other canned), and I don't remember if he throws up after that.
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