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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
From the weekend edition of the Rochester Post-Bulletin
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Dog owner gets two years
Six Rottweilers killed 10-year-old girl in Wisconsin

The owner of six Rottweilers that mauled a 10-year-old girl to death on Valentine's Day a year ago was sentenced to two years in prison Friday.

In a deal with prosecutors, Wayne Hardy, 25, pleaded no contest to recklessly causing harm to a child and child neglect. He could have faced up to 60 years in prison if convicted on the original charges because he had been charged as a repeat offender.

The girl, Alicia Clark, had been visiting a friend at Hardy's Elroy home on Feb. 14, 2002, when the dogs attacked her. Neither Hardy nor his girlfriend Shanda McCracken, was home at the time.

McCracken's daughter Melissa said she had heard a yelp, then saw the dogs--two adult Rottweilers and four 6-to 8-month-old puppies--attacking Alicia seconds later. The criminal complaint said Alicia had been petting one of the puppies when an adult dog attacked her.

"There's nothing I can ever do or say to bring Alicia back," Hardy told Alicia's family in court Friday. "I cared about that little girl a lot. I myself have to live the rest of my life knowing she died at my home."

Alicia's mother, Tammy Shiflett, said the two-year sentence wasn't enough.

Alicia would have turned 12 on Friday, she said, choking back tears.

In addition to the two-year sentence, Hardy was ordered to serve three years of supervised release for one count of recklessly causing harm to a child, plus two years probation for each of three child neglect charges.

Judge Robert Radcliffe also ordered him to pay Alicia's family $2,755 for her funeral expenses and between $5,000 and $6,000 for the cost of counseling.

Hardy also will not be allowed to own animals while on supervised release or probation. The dogs involved in the attack were euthanized.

Hardy's attorney, Daniel Berkos, said there was no way he could have know the dogs would attack.

"Was he careless? Probably. Was it reckless? Certainly not. Was it unconscionable? Certainly not."

Assistand District Attorney John Romer said Hardy did not train the dogs, kept them in a squalid house filled with feces and urine and told others he thought the dogs were too aggressive.

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post #2 of 18
He won't be allowed to own animals while on release or probation? So he can own animals again?

2 years for killing that little girl? Where does the responsibility lie? They needed to get some animal behaviorists in on that trial. That's just sick.

PATHETIC

and very, very sad.

I watch the animal rescue show on Animal Planet, and it makes me so mad every time. In New York and New Jersey - and probably other states - if you are convicted of animal cruelty, you are only prevented from owning animals for 2 years - you are not banned for life!!!!!!
post #3 of 18
This is why I'm afraid of dogs.

He needs to get life in prison.. I'm sorry but he needs to take responsiblity for his pets.
post #4 of 18
I cant believe that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had my own experience with a mean dog recently - never again! My landlord who lives up the driveway from me had some visitors from Indianapolis who has this pure breed American Pit Bull - they asked if they could bring their dog along and that it is very sweet. Hah!
The day came when they brought their dog. He almost grabbed my landlords 8 week old kitten - when she grabbed it before the dog got it, he tried to get my landlord instead. So we put Tippy (the kitten) inside for the rest of the day. Then later that day, the pit bull attacked my landlords daschund and now he has this nasty abscess on his side. The pit bull also attacked Penka, the cat I fostered for a while. We were so mad that the owners lied. And that they had not had the dog neutered - their reason? They didnt want it to get fat. And their idea of punishing the dog was hitting it. I said, that dog is just going to get worse but they didnt believe me. I also tried to explain that when pit bulls (that one is 90lbs and still growing) bite, their jaws lock. Still they didn't care. So I didnt go near them for the rest of their stay here - I am not going to get attacked by that infernal monster.
post #5 of 18
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Someone in my neighborhood owns a Rottweiler that is kept on a chain in the yard. Whenever anyone walks past the house, the dog starts lunging at the end of it's chain. I have always heard that Rottweilers could become too aggressive and dangerous if they weren't handled correctly. IMO, the owner of those dogs should have been convicted on the original charges and sentenced to 60 years in prision.
post #6 of 18
I do think the owner should be punished. Definitely. However, I have a serious question.


The man was not home when it happened. Were there NO adults at his house while this little girl was there? What were her parents doing allowing her somewhere that there is no adult supervision? If her parents knew she was there (That is an IF) they should make sure that there is supervision, ESPECIALLY when there are big dogs like the Rotties there.


This is a tragic death of a young person that could have easily been prevented had ANY responsible adult stepped up.
post #7 of 18
How terrible. That poor little girl. It's so hard to think about what she might have gone through. Sounds like he (owner) also neglected those dogs.
post #8 of 18
While I think it is sad what happened to the girl, I think the punishment is fine enough. Like Cassandra said, where were the girl's parents? You can't just blame the guy who owned the dogs. Yes, he may have neglected them, etc, but don't solely blame him. There are also irresponsible parents out there as well. It comes down to how an owner treats the dogs -- It's the same argument with the pitbull. Sure, they may be bred for attacking and fighting, but it also depends on their owners and how they are going to raise them. It's biased to say all rotties or pitbulls are all mean.
post #9 of 18
It isn't as simple as saying its how the owner treats the dog; a survey concluded that owners of pit bull terriers had a tendancy towards violent behaviour themselves. This is perhaps not surprising if its true that dogs and their owners have similar personalities.

Personally I think these types of animals should all be sterilised. So many children have been killed or seriously maimed by them, I just can't see any justification for owning one.

And although rottweillers can be gentle, the fact is they also have a side to their personality which can't be controlled, even if its owner is standing right next to them - in short these animals are dangerous, plain and simple, and there is NO excuse for a dog killing a child just because that child happened to be unattended.

This guy should have gone down a lot longer than two years and I have a lot of sympathy with Tybalt's comment.
post #10 of 18
I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with that last statement. For quite a while Dalmations were so inbred that they were very agressive dogs in general. The inbreeding caused mental problems that could cause them to "snap" at any time, and there were many Dalmation maulings of small children. Fortunately, the breeding lines were stabilized and the problems have been corrected.

EVERY pit bull I have ever known (and I've known a few - my family owned a dog that was 1/2 pit bull) have been very sweet and loving animals. They are USED as guard dogs because they are very smart, they are used in fighting because of their strong musculature and the fact they they are terriers and ALL terriers lock their jaws and shake their prey.

Rotties, too, can be very kind and gentle, but they are BUILT in such a way that they are trained to attack.

Did anyone else notice that the girl was "petting" a puppy? Perhaps, just perhaps, she wasn't just petting and the puppy's mother was protecting her offspring.
post #11 of 18
Yeah, you've convinced me, it was clearly the child's fault!!!
post #12 of 18
I didn't say that it was the child's fault, but it may have been a contributing factor. Face it, irresponsible parents breed irresponsible children, and if they were no where around while she's playing with Rotties, then they aren't the most responsible parents.

Instead of just taking ONE sentence out of context, read the whole post. It isn't the BREED's fault that this child was killed. According to your logic, if we just sterilize every Rottie and pit bull then problem is solved. So why not go a step further and just kill every living dog of those breeds? The result is the same - eradication of the breed.
post #13 of 18
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Heidi, I did notice that the girl was petting a puppy, but in my opinion it's possible that this same puppy was bitten by one of it's littermates who was trying to play. The mother dog instinctly tried to protect her puppy, which caused all of the dogs to join in the attack.

I once heard that 3 or more dogs (of any breed) that live together develop pack mentality and behavior.
post #14 of 18
Quote:
Originally posted by Tybalt
It's sad because I have known Rottweilers that were just big, gentle babys that wouldn't hurt anyone; again, human influence and training have made monsters out of these loyal animals. .
I have known other large breed dogs to be just the same. On the other side of the scale I have known some small breed dogs to be holy terrors. It’s just because of their smaller size and less publicity that people don’t worry about them (does that sentence sound right?)

Quote:
Originally posted by Cassandra_Starr
The man was not home when it happened. Were there NO adults at his house while this little girl was there? What were her parents doing allowing her somewhere that there is no adult supervision? If her parents knew she was there (That is an IF) they should make sure that there is supervision, ESPECIALLY when there are big dogs like the Rotties there.
This is a tragic death of a young person that could have easily been prevented had ANY responsible adult stepped up.
Do you mean it could have been prevented if the adult didn’t let her go there or that the adult would have prevented her from being injured?? I wonder if an adult could have held up against 2 adults and 4 puppies if they really wanted to get to whomever they were attacking.

Quote:
Originally posted by Tigger
While I think it is sad what happened to the girl, I think the punishment is fine enough. Like Cassandra said, where were the girl's parents? You can't just blame the guy who owned the dogs. Yes, he may have neglected them, etc, but don't solely blame him. There are also irresponsible parents out there as well. It comes down to how an owner treats the dogs -- It's the same argument with the pitbull. Sure, they may be bred for attacking and fighting, but it also depends on their owners and how they are going to raise them. It's biased to say all rotties or pitbulls are all mean.
I totally agree with you.

Quote:
Originally posted by Lorie D.
Heidi, I did notice that the girl was petting a puppy, but in my opinion it's possible that this same puppy was bitten by one of it's littermates who was trying to play. The mother dog instinctly tried to protect her puppy, which caused all of the dogs to join in the attack.
That’s what I was thinking, that something had to have happened to make the parent react like that.

Quote:
Originally posted by Lorie D.
I once heard that 3 or more dogs (of any breed) that live together develop pack mentality and behavior.
I’ve never heard of that but it sounds logical. IMO That’s what make dogs such good companions for people by themselves. The dog develops a pack bond with them. Oops sort of off topic and a long post sorry.
post #15 of 18
This is a very tragic story. I must agree with the part of where was the adults, children of this age need to be supervised. I have a 9 year old daughter and there is no way I would let her go to anybodies house without me taking her there and seeing and talking to the adult that would be there, my daughter also knows that you do not pet other peoples dogs without asking and knowing the animal. It sound like the owner received a just punishment to me. It is a SAD story of Bad parenting + Bad pet owner. As far as Rotts go I have owned them over the last 8 years and the ones I have owned have been sweet and gentle, however I do not PUNISH my animals by hitting them either.
post #16 of 18
he should get more just for the state of affairs he kept his pets in!!
post #17 of 18
I agree Tybalt. I was talking to Craig about this. I do agree that this man should be punished. It was his dogs that murdered this little girl, and if what the prosecution says is correct, they were living in a not very clean environment.


However, he was charged with "Child Neglience" because he was being "Negligent" to that little girl. My questions is.. HOW was he really neglient to this little girl. She isn't HIS daughter, he wasn't home, there was no adult there. If anyone was neglient to that child it was their parents.

I stressed to Craig. If that was my daughter this NEVER would have happened. I would not allow my 10 year old daughter to go to ANY house unsupervised, much less a house that contains large dogs such as Rotties.


LeeLee asked me.. "Do you mean it could have been prevented if the adult didn’t let her go there or that the adult would have prevented her from being injured?? I wonder if an adult could have held up against 2 adults and 4 puppies if they really wanted to get to whomever they were attacking."

Yup thats exactly what I meant. It could have been prevented. I think in both manners. If her parents didn't allow her to go over there without adult supervision it would have been prevented. If the owner of the dogs were there he could have supervised the girl with the puppies or prevented the girl from even going near the puppies.


The bottom line is the parents were extremely irresponisble when they allowed their young daughter to go to that house. If anyone committed Child Negligence. It was them. This man is going to prison for 2 years. The parents aren't being sentenced or charged at all. They got the ultimate sentence. They lost their child forever.
post #18 of 18
ooohhh, this is terrible, but it's WAY too common, unfortunately.

The operable word here is RESPONSIBILITY.

Personally, I would never choose to own a pitbull or rottie, because they kill cats! Some breeds of dogs are naturally more aggressive towards people or animals than others. If breeders and shelters would make obedience training a condition of purchase or adoption, I believe that alone would make a huge difference. Early training and socialization does really help. These types of dogs need responsible owners, yet the very people that are attracted to them are often the most irresponsible. (I did say often, not always! ) Not to mention the irresponsible parenting involved here, too.

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