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post #1 of 14
1/1/10 at 9:22am
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Ann Coulter 12/30/09

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35037

... "An alien from the planet "Not Politically Correct" would have surveyed the situation after 9/11 and said: "You are at war with an enemy without uniforms, without morals, without a country and without a leader -- but the one advantage you have is they all look alike. ... What? ... What did I say?" ...

... "In addition to the no blanket, no computer, no bathroom rule, perhaps the airlines could add this to their preflight announcement about seat belts and emergency exits: "Should a passenger sitting near you attempt to detonate an explosive device, you may be called upon to render emergency assistance. Would you be willing to do so under those circumstances? If not we will assign you another seat ..."
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post #2 of 14
1/1/10 at 9:42am
I read the link. Thanks. I hope I don't get into trouble for saying this, but I'm pro-profiling.

I admit. I don't have a deep knowledge of Islam, but as I understand it, Muslims are not allowed to changed their name from a religious name to a secular name (secular to religious is fine, but not the reverse because that would mean he/she is renouncing Islam Someone correct me if this is incorrect) ... Also, as I understand it, a Muslim's name is super super important. That said, if we can treat these types of names as a warning flag, then I say yeah let's do that.
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post #3 of 14
1/1/10 at 11:03am
I don't know, profiling just doesn't sit well with me.
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post #4 of 14
1/1/10 at 11:22am
I have people of all religious backgrounds in my family. Profiling simply pisses me off. Ann Coulter is an idiot.
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post #5 of 14
1/1/10 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
I have people of all religious backgrounds in my family. Profiling simply pisses me off. Ann Coulter is an idiot.
Very well said.
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post #6 of 14
1/1/10 at 12:13pm
Without resorting to name calling, I have to say that Ann Coulter is famous for stirring the pot.

However, I'm with another news person who said he would oppose profiling as soon as an American of Swedish descent pulled a terrorist attack on an airplane.

On the other hand, Russia has had problems with female suicide bombers on their airplanes.
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post #7 of 14
1/1/10 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
However, I'm with another news person who said he would oppose profiling as soon as an American of Swedish descent pulled a terrorist attack on an airplane.
Oh really? I suppose you both conveniently forgot about Timothy McVeigh? Granted, it was not in an Airplane, but then that doesn't count?
How would you profile this decorated US Army Veteran, White Catholic boy?
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post #8 of 14
1/1/10 at 1:35pm
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Oh really? I suppose you both conveniently forgot about Timothy McVeigh? Granted, it was not in an Airplane, but then that doesn't count?
How would you profile this decorated US Army Veteran, White Catholic boy?
Not at all. He is exactly who I reference when someone tells me that only young Muslim men commit terrorist acts.

In addition, I have a very real fear that should some of these terrorists succeed in bombing an airplane, many others might be inspired to mimic them. Many forget that that was a real problem back around 1960. It even got into the plot of the book/movie "Airport."

But, if I had to play the odds, I would say that if you stopped and searched every Middle-Eastern man from 20-35, you would have a really good chance of catching most of the plots. But not all of them, so we definitely need the best detection systems possible.

Someone proposed that we adopt the Israeli system, which is very effective. I'm not sure Americans would tolerate the slow-down that would require.
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post #9 of 14
1/1/10 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Not at all. He is exactly who I reference when someone tells me that only young Muslim men commit terrorist acts.

In addition, I have a very real fear that should some of these terrorists succeed in bombing an airplane, many others might be inspired to mimic them. Many forget that that was a real problem back around 1960. It even got into the plot of the book/movie "Airport."

But, if I had to play the odds, I would say that if you stopped and searched every Middle-Eastern man from 20-35, you would have a really good chance of catching most of the plots. But not all of them, so we definitely need the best detection systems possible.

Someone proposed that we adopt the Israeli system, which is very effective. I'm not sure Americans would tolerate the slow-down that would require.
Mike, what is the Israeli system? Sorry for the ignorance...
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post #10 of 14
1/1/10 at 3:14pm
This is in the "security" section of Wikipedia's "El Al" entry:

Passengers are asked to report three hours before departure. All El Al terminals around the world are closely monitored for security. There are plain-clothes agents and fully armed police or military personnel who patrol the premises for explosives, suspicious behavior, and other threats. Inside the terminal, passengers and their baggage are checked by a trained team. El Al security procedures require that all passengers be interviewed individually prior to boarding, allowing El Al staff to identify possible security threats. Passengers will be asked questions about where they are coming from, the reason for their trip, their job or occupation, and whether they have packed their bags themselves. The likelihood of potential terrorists remaining calm under such questioning is believed to be low. At the check-in counter the passengers' passports and tickets are closely examined. A ticket without a sticker from the security checkers will not be accepted. At passport control passengers' names are checked against information from the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Scotland Yard, Shin Bet, and Interpol databases. Luggage is screened and sometimes hand searched. In addition, bags are put through a decompression chamber simulating pressures during flight that could trigger explosives. El Al is the only airline in the world that passes all luggage through such a chamber. Even at overseas airports, El Al security agents conduct all luggage searches personally, even if they are supervised by government or private security firms.
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post #11 of 14
1/1/10 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
This is in the "security" section of Wikipedia's "El Al" entry:

Passengers are asked to report three hours before departure. All El Al terminals around the world are closely monitored for security. There are plain-clothes agents and fully armed police or military personnel who patrol the premises for explosives, suspicious behavior, and other threats. Inside the terminal, passengers and their baggage are checked by a trained team. El Al security procedures require that all passengers be interviewed individually prior to boarding, allowing El Al staff to identify possible security threats. Passengers will be asked questions about where they are coming from, the reason for their trip, their job or occupation, and whether they have packed their bags themselves. The likelihood of potential terrorists remaining calm under such questioning is believed to be low. At the check-in counter the passengers' passports and tickets are closely examined. A ticket without a sticker from the security checkers will not be accepted. At passport control passengers' names are checked against information from the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Scotland Yard, Shin Bet, and Interpol databases. Luggage is screened and sometimes hand searched. In addition, bags are put through a decompression chamber simulating pressures during flight that could trigger explosives. El Al is the only airline in the world that passes all luggage through such a chamber. Even at overseas airports, El Al security agents conduct all luggage searches personally, even if they are supervised by government or private security firms.
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post #12 of 14
1/1/10 at 4:43pm
But El Al is very safe. They've had attacks at their ticket counters, but never on an airplane.

As I said, I doubt most Americans would put up with this, but you'll notice they don't profile ethnically, they profile for behavior.
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post #13 of 14
1/1/10 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
But El Al is very safe. They've had attacks at their ticket counters, but never on an airplane.

As I said, I doubt most Americans would put up with this, but you'll notice they don't profile ethnically, they profile for behavior.
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Someone proposed that we adopt the Israeli system, which is very effective. I'm not sure Americans would tolerate the slow-down that would require.
Sure, but.... Israel is very tiny country in land, and the US is a HUGE country in land... In population, the US is about 40x bigger... A LOT of business in the US is conducted by traveling by air - the US economy depends on it.
What I am trying to say, is that IMHO we are not talking about the US people putting up with the wait and so on...
Logistically, if that takes passengers getting in the airport 3 hours before their flights in Israel, I can not even imagine how it would be here in the US. Plus, the cost of this would be tremendous. You are talking about one airline in there... how many do we have here? It would take a whole new Army/Security department just to get that done.
I can tell you - I can not possibly imagine this being done on a Monday on Chicago O'Hara Airport for example. 190,000 people travel through O'Hare every day - Can you imagine what would take to get all that done to 190,000 people a day?
IMHO not feasible logistically....
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post #14 of 14
1/1/10 at 5:53pm
Well, if they're just traveling through, it wouldn't be a big problem. It's initial departures that are the problem. And essentially, El Al does this at EVERY airport that they have initial departures from.

Again, keep in mind we had this ONE terrorist that got aboard out of something like 16,000,000 departures last year. Those are pretty good odds, I'd say.
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