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post #31 of 47
12/28/09 at 10:19am
Ut0pia, I would not want humans to mess with the NATURAL process of the earths natural heating and cooling cycles. Without knowing what the effects could be, humans could make the situation more devastating than what would happen naturally. I would not want to be on this planet, if humans could start controlling the climate.
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post #32 of 47
12/28/09 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
For whatever it's worth, my understanding of global warming and cooling cycles is that it is dominated by moisture, which is not under our control.
And some say it's controlled more by the sunspot cycle than anything that happens on Earth. The coldest times in recorded history were during the Maunder Minimum. Look it up.
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post #33 of 47
12/29/09 at 12:45pm
one small observation here- if the earth is warming up due to man created pollutants, and like Grogs had mentioned, this is by a few degrees which would be barely noticeable by your average human, then won't that cause the icecaps/glaciers/icebergs whatever you want to call them to melt, there by creating more........water? which in turn can evaporate into more........water vapor? thereby increasing the greenhouse effect? golly gee willickers that almost made sense!
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post #34 of 47
12/29/09 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
one small observation here- if the earth is warming up due to man created pollutants, and like Grogs had mentioned, this is by a few degrees which would be barely noticeable by your average human, then won't that cause the icecaps/glaciers/icebergs whatever you want to call them to melt, there by creating more........water? which in turn can evaporate into more........water vapor? thereby increasing the greenhouse effect? golly gee willickers that almost made sense!
Yes, I imagine that is what happened when Greenland used to be green. That was back when there was a few million people inhabiting the Earth.
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post #35 of 47
12/29/09 at 2:13pm
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Yes, I imagine that is what happened when Greenland used to be green. That was back when there was a few million people inhabiting the Earth.
The Mojave Desert also used to be green.
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post #36 of 47
12/29/09 at 2:17pm
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The Mojave Desert also used to be green.
Yep, but I think that may have been when the land mass that is now the Mojave Desert was close to the equator.

That is so fascinating to me how it was just one huge land mass that split apart then went back together again, then split apart again.
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post #37 of 47
12/29/09 at 2:42pm
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Yep, but I think that may have been when the land mass that is now the Mojave Desert was close to the equator.

That is so fascinating to me how it was just one huge land mass that split apart then went back together again, then split apart again.
Just like the little swirly patterns on a big bubble. Nature is some cool stuff.
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post #38 of 47
12/29/09 at 5:53pm
There is no "global warming" - its a hoax and lie for the governments to take control of everything you do. When you start blaming animals and people for breathing too much and releasing CO2 that "warms" the earth, you may be missing a few sandwiches short of a picnic!
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post #39 of 47
12/30/09 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
then won't that cause the icecaps/glaciers/icebergs whatever you want to call them to melt, there by creating more........water? which in turn can evaporate into more........water vapor? thereby increasing the greenhouse effect? golly gee willickers that almost made sense!
Icecaps/bergs melting would not necessarily increase water vapor in the atmosphere. Increased ocean temperatures would however. But an increase in water vapor would also increase the amount of average cloud cover over the entire planet. This in turn, would decrease the amount of total sun light hitting the earth, reducing the amount of the suns warming heat energy, thereby somewhat cooling the earth. I have actually read this theory too.
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post #40 of 47
12/31/09 at 10:11pm
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So, Houston had the earliest snow it's ever had. Copenhagen had unusually cold weather, and the President had to leave the Global Warming conference early to beat one of the worst snow storms on record in DC, and when he got to DC, he had to go by car because Marine 1 was grounded by the weather. Dallas just had its first white Christmas in over 50 years, OKC just got one of its heaviest snowfalls on record, and it just continues.

I have had people ask me, "How hot for how long would it have to get before you believe in Global Warming?"

That's a fair question, and I've given it a lot of thought, although the last 10 years haven't done anything to convince me.

But I have a fair reply.

"How cold for how long would it have to be before you question the theory of Global Warming?"
Ditto.
If they'd just attack the pollution, the Global Warmers would have a better shot of getting people to clean up their act.

I guess you can't control people without getting them to fear something first, and the idea that polar bears will be seen near Hawaii floating on a melting ice raft gets the fear going. I say, "Follow the money". That would help to separate fact from fiction.
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post #41 of 47
1/4/10 at 2:43pm
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Another anecdote.

Or is it another datum?

Cold start to the New Year
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post #42 of 47
1/4/10 at 5:37pm
Yes, and it's the same news for Europe as well.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...821159877.html

maybe it's "Datum" ?, but I think anecdote is very appropriate, too.
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post #43 of 47
1/4/10 at 8:39pm
From what I have been reading it is unseasonably, bitterly, cold GLOBALLY.
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post #44 of 47
1/5/10 at 10:11am
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Someone on another forum I frequent just pointed out that it will be warmer in Antarctica tonight than in Houston.

Another datum?
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post #45 of 47
2/6/10 at 4:31pm
Has anyone else seen the updates to "Global Warming" and the IPCC?


For one thing they claim that the Himalayan glaciers will be gone by 2035:
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Then again, when it comes to unsubstantiated research it's hard to beat the IPCC, whose 2007 report insisted that the glaciers—which feed the rivers that in turn feed much of South Asia—were very likely to nearly disappear by the year 2035. "The receding and thinning of Himalayan glaciers," it wrote in its supposedly definitive report, "can be attributed primarily to the [sic] global warming due to increase in anthropogenic emission of greenhouse gases."

It turns out that this widely publicized prediction was taken from a 2005 report from the World Wildlife Fund, which based it on a comment by Indian glacier expert Syed Hasnain from 1999. Mr. Hasnian now says he was "misquoted." Even more interesting is that the IPCC was warned in 2006 by leading glaciologist Georg Kaser that the 2035 forecast was baseless. "This number is not just a little bit wrong, but far out of any order of magnitude," Mr. Kaser told the Agence France-Presse. "It is so wrong that it is not even worth discussing."

On Wednesday, the IPCC got around to acknowledging that the claim was "poorly substantiated," though Mr. Pachauri also suggested it amounted to little more than a scientific typo. Yet the error is of a piece with other glib, and now debunked, global warming alarms.

Among them: that 1998 was the warmest year on record in the United States (it was 1934); that sea levels could soon rise by up to 20 feet and put Florida underwater (an 18-inch rise by the year 2100 is the more authoritative estimate); that polar bears are critically endangered by global warming (most polar bear populations appear to be stable or increasing); that—well, we could go on without even mentioning the climategate emails.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...219835692.html

For another, they erroneously claim that over half of the Netherlands is below sea level.
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The Netherlands has asked the UN climate change panel to explain an inaccurate claim in a landmark 2007 report that more than half the country was below sea level, the Dutch government said Friday.
According to the Dutch authorities, only 26 percent of the country is below sea level, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will be asked to account for its figures, environment ministry spokesman Trimo Vallaart told AFP.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Can you say ...... oops?
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post #46 of 47
2/6/10 at 8:01pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...ge-report.html
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New errors in IPCC climate change report

The United Nations panel on climate change is facing fresh criticism today as The Sunday Telegraph reveals new factual errors and poor sources of evidence in its influential report to government leaders.

But this paper has discovered a series of new flaws in it including:


The above is just out today. Did you hear that India is pulling out of the stupid UN climate thing? Even though it is one of their own that is head of the IPCC

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7017907.ece


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A LEADING British government scientist has warned the United Nations’ climate panel to tackle its blunders or lose all credibility.

The most important is a claim that global warming could cut rain-fed north African crop production by up to 50% by 2020, a remarkably short time for such a dramatic change. The claim has been quoted in speeches by Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, and by Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general.

This weekend Professor Chris Field, the new lead author of the IPCC’s climate impacts team, told The Sunday Times that he could find nothing in the report to support the claim. The revelation follows the IPCC’s retraction of a claim that the Himalayan glaciers might all melt by 2035.
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post #47 of 47
2/6/10 at 8:06pm
This is a goodie:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...arts-here.html

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The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.
Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in
summer by 2013.

According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.
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