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post #121 of 125
12/23/09 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
You mean we've been arguing over nothing?

Come to think of it, OP never did provide any proof for this statement :
It's easy enough to do. The line (if there ever was a line) between news, punditry and opinion is becoming so blurred that it's often confusing to what is true and what isn't. That's why I'll google most headlines that catch my eye...to see what others are saying, or if they even exist anywhere outside the authors imagination.

Then of course, you have the "on air personalities" that bang this drum every year, for no other reason than to sell the book they (or their partner) has written on the "subject".
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post #122 of 125
12/23/09 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
I hope you realize that continuing to do things just because we've always done it this way is the same mindset that allowed for women not to be given the right to vote and blacks to be segregated from whites...
What is it you have against positive social change? What's wrong with changing the old ways of doing things for new better ones?
Would anyone who isn't a muslim be comfortable if a store clerk told you "Ramadan Mubarak" on Ramadan?? Then what's wrong with being courteous and eliminating religious greetings from stores in order to try to not make anyone who doesnt' celebrate feels excluded?
I hope YOU realize that comparing, a "Merry Christmas" greeting to SLAVERY and women's suffrage and Civil Rights for Black people is one of the most cockamamie posts I have read in a long time.

I don't see how the cessation of the "Merry Christmas" greeting can be construed as "positive social change."

And, for the record if a store clerk said "Ramadan Mubarak" to me I would NOT feel uncomfortable. Why would I feel uncomfortable by that?

Excluded? How does saying, "Merry Christmas" to someone exclude someone?
If you don't want to say it in return, don't.

I thought this country is a melting pot. I thought we celebrate diversity. We are all Americans and need to respect each other.
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post #123 of 125
12/26/09 at 1:05am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I hope YOU realize that comparing, a "Merry Christmas" greeting to SLAVERY and women's suffrage and Civil Rights for Black people is one of the most cockamamie posts I have read in a long time.
I have to agree with this to a point (except I wouldn't say "cockamamie"). I'm having trouble relating those things myself.

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I don't see how the cessation of the "Merry Christmas" greeting can be construed as "positive social change."
No one is asking for it to cease. People are merely asking that the other holdiays in the holiday season be recognized.

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And, for the record if a store clerk said "Ramadan Mubarak" to me I would NOT feel uncomfortable. Why would I feel uncomfortable by that?
Actually, a good many people wouldn't feel uncomfortable. But sadly, it only takes one or two to email their prefered pundit to complain and have the business roundly condemned as liberal, unpatriotic, heathen and evil on national TV. And as we've seen lately, the pundits aren't likely to vet any of it, just take the allegation and run with it. A store won't stock your favorite brand of peanut butter? Just tell Fox they didn't say "merry christmas", and they'll take care of them for you.

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Excluded? How does saying, "Merry Christmas" to someone exclude someone?
If you don't want to say it in return, don't.
It doesn't...until it is demanded that it be the standard greeting through the entire holiday season. It is, after all, only a birthday. I'm not going to wish someone a Happy Birthday 3 weeks in advance.

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I thought this country is a melting pot. I thought we celebrate diversity. We are all Americans and need to respect each other.
Exactly. And city governments taking down and refusing all displays simply so they won't have to allow non-christian faiths to display theirs isn't very respectful of anyone.
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post #124 of 125
12/26/09 at 3:54am
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I hope YOU realize that comparing, a "Merry Christmas" greeting to SLAVERY and women's suffrage and Civil Rights for Black people is one of the most cockamamie posts I have read in a long time.
I was not comparing it to those things at all, they are just examples of the same concept of challenging and questioning things especially if they are "traditions" because something is a tradition doesn't make it immune to being wrong which is exactly what the person I was quoting had implied!
womens rights and slavery are just examples of when a tradition wasn't right.
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post #125 of 125
12/26/09 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
I was not comparing it to those things at all, they are just examples of the same concept of challenging and questioning things especially if they are "traditions" because something is a tradition doesn't make it immune to being wrong which is exactly what the person I was quoting had implied!
womens rights and slavery are just examples of when a tradition wasn't right.
You were comparing, comparing the spoken word, the spoken word, "Merry Christmas," which is a greeting or a farewell, but still, the words themselves, "Merry" and "Christmas", comparing them to the injustice of owning a fellow human being.

You used the saying of "Merry Christmas" and compared it to slavery, civil rights and women's rights in the SAME sentence.

That is comparing in my book.
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