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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
 When the eugenics system was implemented before, those that cannot work, disabled, disadvantaged, challenged, etc; are the very one's that got caught up in the system. And, it would happen again if such a laws came to be again.
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom
Whatever solution anyone suggests is fine by me. I know landlords of the type that you refer to to play the Section 8 game as tag team members with their lowlife tenants. They have ruined the town I grew up in my turning one neighborhood after another into a slum. I think they pick their tenants according to their ability to pay by doing drug deals. Not only that, I was offered money (back rent plus court costs) by one welfare agency if I would agree to drop my eviction lawsuit against Little Miss Babies are my Ticket to a Free Ride. Needless to say I told them that I would pay to be RID of her, the last thing I was about to do was accept money to continue to allow her to turn my property into a slum.
And since I consider myself an honest landlord who offers low-cost rentals, it's easy to avoid getting caught in the system: be honest. If someone accuses you of wrongdoing, you tell them to meet you at the property in question right now so they can see that what they are saying is incorrect. I've found that life is easy when you're honest; you don't have to remember which lie you told to whom like some of the crud I've run into. |
And as for them having had a rough start in life, there are plenty of people who wanted for nothing during their childhood who ended up crooks as well as plenty who had rotten childhoods who turned out alright. I don't see it as an excuse. I grew up well below the poverty line with a single mother and for a while we lived off of food stamps, so my supply of sympathy is limited. I guess I'd make a rotten social worker.  How about if people like this are given the choice between sterilization or giving the kid up for adoption? They're not going to bother trying to give the kid a good home anyway, the kid would be better off in a decent home with parents who pass the screening. Skippy you refer to "confiscation" of children, what about the situation when child services has to step in because of this type of person who makes no effort whatsoever to raise their children? Isn't that where it is headed anyway? |
Yes it is a slippery slope but for once I'd like to see these people on the defensive. They exude an arrogant sense of entitlement that really makes me angry. Yes reproduction is regrettably seen as an inalienable human right. Even at the hearing, when my tenant realized that Vermont judges DO evict bad tenants when there is snow on the ground and it's below freezing, the best she could come up with was that she was a single mother of two small children and had nowhere to go. The judge wished her the best of luck finding a new place.  Maybe now there is one less slug who thinks that having babies gives you a place to party at someone else's expense. Maybe she'll pass THAT on to her kids. |
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Originally Posted by ckblv
My post you are quoting had nothing to do with forced sterilization. Geesh
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
I wasn't referring to property condition. I was referring to fraud. I was editing my earlier post to include an common example while you were posting this. I was referring to say, being accused of discarding rent payments as in the example.
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
For the sake of the children on an individual basis is proper. A blanket policy of seizing children for economic reasons or "the public good" as was used when thousands of Native American children were stolen from "non-productive" parents is not.
So it's a "payback" type thing then? A vendetta? |
All I ask is that the welfare system be used as it was intended, namely to give folks a leg up when they need it and not a permanent free ride for themselves and their progeny.
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom
"Accused of discarding rent payments."
Can you explain this please? Because I currently receive checks through an agency that is authorized to disburse them through section 8 on behalf of some of my tenants, and once I sign the check and cash it, it's in the system. I wouldn't dream of "discarding the payment" and in the same way as individuals get canceled checks with their bank statement, so do agencies that send out printed checks. What am I missing here? |
| No "payback" or "vendetta" from my end. All I ask is that the welfare system be used as it was intended, namely to give folks a leg up when they need it and not a permanent free ride for themselves and their progeny. |
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Originally Posted by ckblv
No offense Ut0pia, but do they not teach separating paragraghs in college or school anymore? It makes reading a much more pleasurable experience.
First off, I am not advocating forced sterilization. I am advocating voluntary sterilization. Once you hit adulthood, the decisions you make or don't make IS your fault, no matter what your upbringing has been. All I see, and this is such a typical liberal way of thinking (no offense), are excuses for poor choices in life. We are ALL responsible for our OWN choices we make. It is NOT a matter of "luck" that is freaking ridiculous. You make your own destiny, no one makes it for you. With attitudes such as yours, I am shocked ANYONE has clawed their way out of poverty. I loathe the below attitude: Oh dear, those poor, poor people, they do not have a chance, they will NEVER have a chance. Oh, we better just give them money and then they will vote for us. |
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Originally Posted by ut0pia
I guess I am too narrow minded to see anything that can possibly make someone want to live on government assistance (which means living at the poverty line, just barely making it)..
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
There are many section 8 landlords that play that same system. An example of what we see around here are landlords taking the HUD payments while "losing" the tenants rent checks...then evicting the tenant for failing to pay their share of the rent, and keeping any deposits or securities that may have been paid up front. What vile, dehumanizing solution would we use to get them to stop?
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
A landlord scam that was quite popular here up until about 2 years ago, when 6 landlords were convicted for it. They would accept the HUD payments, yet would seem to never "receive" the tenants portion of the rent. Then, they would evict the tenant for non-payment, keep any securities or deposits because of the tenants "failure" to pay, and then move on to yet another renter.
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
I must have misunderstood. Your statement that you were angry merely because of their attitudes was a bit misleading.
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom
If it's fraud there is an easy solution - prosecute. You can't cash a check and claim to have lost it at the same time. And if you DO lose a HUD check, HUD will replace it, so it behooves the landlord to report it the day after rent is due. I don't see what the problem is.
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| Well sure I'm angry. I would think that anyone who works for a living or wants to would be infuriated over the fact that women who can do one single thing - give birth, are entitled to government support that the rest of us pay for. I feel like I've hijacked the thread so I'd like to bring it back to where it started. In industrialized countries there is a tendency among the well off to avoid having children unless you can "afford" them. "Afford" means different things to different people - if you can't supply the kid with it's own room, computer, entertainment system etc then that is considered not being able to afford to have children. Unforunately the type of person most likely to keep on having kids is the one who can't even afford to put a roof over their own head and aside from any supposed influence on the climate (which I do not believe) it is creating huge problems for our social system. In other words, the people most likely to instill values and a work ethic are also the least likely to have children. |
