Democrats vote 260 billion in Medicare Cuts - Page 4

Originally Posted by darlili

OK, maybe it's just me - but how ironic to have this attitude on a site devoted to caring for pets! Where, a good argument could be made that the costs of caring and loving pets far outweighs tangible benefits. Let alone the moral one - of loving thy neighbor as thyself. Besides, a broken health care system, which we have, has definite tangible costs to the entire economy - but many people seem to want to ignore that whole aspect for some reason.

We are not ignoring it, we know we need health care reform, we just aren't willing to give up 16% of our GDP to the Government. Anything as HUGE as this should have been a bipartisan effort. Good GRIEF, even the Left doesn't like this Bill. Dean says they should start over from scratch. (Last time I looked he was a Democrat)

Someone mentioned that they don't carry insurance and pay for their own care -IMO, that only happens in the most modest of health care needs (a shot once in a while, maybe a Pap test) - but, who do you think are paying for those folks who only have an ER to run to, and then only when their health care needs have accelerated into issues that will cost thousands to fix? Or what happens, heaven forbid, when the person paying for their own insurance develops something serious and/or chronic? False economy, perhaps?

LOL, the taxpayers will pay regardless.

Or, would we say it's ok for poor people not to carry driver's insurance (yes, I'm aware far too many people also disobey that law - to the cost of the rest of us).

People DO have the choice of not driving, thereby not having to obatain car insurance so there is some choice. Also, if your vehicle is paid for you can choose to just carry Liability Insurance.

From what I've read, the worst insurance offered by the combine will be better than many offered by private employers as far as coverage goes...and if you doubt that, go ask someone who's had to buy actual private insurance (not offered by their employer) and who has a pre-existing condition. maybe check the type 1 diabetes boards if you want to read about some people who are desperate for health care help.

"From what I've read", read where?

The costs of insurance can only be spread out if everyone joins - whether or not they believe they need insurance at this moment or not.

Again, I think it's sad that conservatives could have worked on better health care coverage for years - but didn't. Once again, it almost looks like a certain group will find themselves on the wrong side of history - and why?

Originally Posted by darlili

And I agree -I think it was Stalin who said one death is a tragedy, one million a statistic. It's hard, in general, for most people to care about the 'masses', especially if we think we might get 'taken' by some individuals within those masses.

The funny part is that, as I was taught (by the good OSF sisters), what was and is so earth-shaking about the message of Christ is that it is to care about strangers as much as we do about our families, even ourselves - and to judge not, lest you be judged. That's certainly a hard thing for me to keep in mind about myself - it's so easy to say that some people are 'deserving', and others not, especially when I think I'm working really hard and someone else seems to be getting a free ride.

Cinder, it's interesting when you read various histories - at any given time, on any continent, people felt their nation/state was on the verge of dissolution. Change is rarely comfortable, especially if we're not acutely aware of history.

Our own revolutionary era was certainly filled with strife (and the founding fathers and their philosphies are a fascinating read) - and FDR, now generally cited as one of the US' great presidents, was totally vilified as a traitor to his class and someone who would destroy his country. It would be great to get the perspective of a generation or two - I myself remember the rage that accompanied the passage of the Voting Rights Act - the sad thing is that a lot of that rage is still around, and probably for the same reasons.

Originally Posted by Skippymjp

Much of what government does is, in reality, a gamble. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. And like the overly cautious, condemning relative of the gambler, there will always be someone decrying the wisdom of even trying; waiting in the wings to pounce and point when it doesn't work. But that very same overly cautious, condemning relative of the gambler is almost always nearby and handy to help with spending the winnings if it does work.