Nationwide death sentence for being gay - Page 2

Why, thank you so much. I was starting to think you would never admit that the United States ISN'T a "christian nation". After all; if it was, then Christians would have drones.

Ah, then you admit that Christians are killing people with drones then?

You'd think that a christian country would at least have a national christmas tree or something.

I'm not a fool actually, I know that the US has a christian majority. At least, as much as a nation founded in Greek principles can. And no one would have a problem with that, if they'd just act like it. But they are too busy doing the work of Christianity to bother with the teachings of Yeshua.

Uh no, they're serving Christianity. Fully believing that their money will fix everything. Face it, people living as Yeshua did would never be able to sustain a nation. I'm sure he would be tickled pink with the nuclear weapons, their first use against a civilian population, standing armies in foreign lands, intolerance and hatred of minorities and fringe groups, the absolute worship of money. He would no doubt love it. Especially that loving use of "his word" in Uganda

In fact, perhaps we SHOULD call it a "Christian nation". It is, after all, a shining example of modern Christianity.

Really? It appears to me that most are just sending money to someone and hoping that's what it's being used for. Money, after all, fixes everying. And by golly, they'd better appreciate it , too! And don't forget, funding missions to Uganda to promote the hunting down and murder of gay Ugandans.

Take, for instance, the churches that announced they were "repenting their involvement". I thought at first that it was just damage control. But, it seems those people honestly didn't know they were being taken for rubes and their money was funding such things. And, just like in the instance of "Good Governance", I'll bet you don't know per item what your money is being used for either. You may want to invest some time into finding out; you may be surprised.

Looking at the "overhead" on some of those charts posted on charitable institutions, it looks as though some very nice vacations are being taken on those charitable dollars.

The only reason I donate to United Way is because corporate throws a pizza dinner for 100% participation, and that seems to mean a lot to some of the crew.

And if the donations are through an organized charity, it would appear that the time, sweat and effort are well compensated for.

But then, I suppose if I had any suspect that any of my money had filtered down through the system and gone toward the "lobbying" in Uganda, I wouldn't want to know either. I would probably find ways to get the subject onto something else as well.

I was actually fairly regular with charitable donations until the 9/11 Red Cross "incident". That's what got me really looking into them, and finding that perhaps 3 to 4 cents per dollar donated actually goes to helping people. There is a tiny percentage of charities that make it (slightly) into the double digits. Now, I do the helping myself with direct donation and community involvement. I just don't harp on it very much at all because I don't do it for the recognition or the bragging rights, I do it because people need it.

A diverse set of operations also gives them the opportunity to cloud the destinations of funds, so that it isn't obvious at all, or even evident, if they were to help bankroll lobbying Ugandan politicians.

Uh, that's what this thread is about. It's all in the OP. And it's true about their laws. But it's only recently that evangelicals from the US have been there, on the dollars of numerous religious organizations, pushing for the adoption of capital offense punishments for it.

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They don't have to have ANY intentions, because they are obviously no more worried about their money being used to fund this lobbying than you are. If you look into the Evangelicals that are doing this, you'll see that they delve into several things, all of which draw funding from different charities.

I don't blame you. Like I said before, I wouldn't want to know either. In clandestine circles, they call that "plausible deniability".

Actually, this paragraph is a lie, and you know it. Or, you've just been skipping the posts where I've said that most donors think they're doing good, and just aren't aware of all the things their money is being used for. And apparently, some don't know what any of it is being used for.

I've denied no such thing. That's simply another attempt to avoid having to face an uncomfortable fact. The very missionaries that have been working on getting those laws passed have also been feeding the hungry and digging wells. What is the ratio for "wells dug" and "gays murdered" where they balance each other out?

No. Simply insist on knowing what the money is being used for; you do it for everthing else that involves money. The evangelicals that are lobbying for the death penalty also did some good things. That's in the articles too. Why is it that absolute, to the penny accountability is demanded from every organization on the planet except for churches. In this case, it's simply "I gave money...I did good"...all the while missionaries whose trips are funded by that money are working with developing governments to murder people.
You missed that explanation too, I see.


Now this one is really interesting. I constantly hear "Christian Nation", I see the graphs and charts of "74% of population are Christians". When the numbers are needed for the sake of argument, then it's all one big happy family. But when one of the family really screws up, then suddenly...well, now it's lots and lots of little sort of related groups that just can't be compared to one another.

I love how stats get adjusted to suit the purpose.

When one makes attempts to engage in "holier than thou" denial and damage control (lying), one really needs to make sure there weren't any audio tapes made to the contrary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/wo.../04uganda.html

I would have been very, very, VERY surprised if Rick Warren had anything to do with the legislation side of this monstrosity. He has always struck me as being a straight forward, honest man that I just happen to disagree with quite often. But the three that were involved are exactly what I've been talking about all along, and they are doing it on the dollars of people who honestly think their money is going to help someone, somewhere. But then again, there appear to be millions of christians in Uganda that think it's just the perfect solution for the "issue".

It IS nuts. That's what I was saying back when "indoctrinate your children until everyone is gay" was the tactic of choice of the religious funded hired guns of the Proposition 8 campaign. So, nutty as it truly is, it's not the least bit surprising. All they want is something that works, it doesn't matter if it's true or not.

To be totally honest, I think in the Prop 8 case, most regular citizens were just taking the "better safe than sorry" vote. There was so much rhetoric and propaganda from both sides that you average joe on the street didn't know what to believe.