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Would you work for this shelter?

post #1 of 45
11/26/09 at 8:59am
Thread Starter 
This is a serious question and I am looking for answers.

About a year ago, Farmers Branch, one of the smallest suburbs of Dallas, decided to build an animal adoption center. About that same time I underwent the first of three major back surguries. I vowed that if I ever got well enough I would devote time to the facility. I did contribute $200 as a result of a contest I held here on TCS as some of you may remember.

I have had my third major back surgery and am highly hopeful that this time it has been successfull. I am actually able to start walking now without a walker to some degree and am undergoing physical therapy. I am confident enough that I went over to the adoption center yesterday and asked if they could use my help, contingent upon my recovery. I have scheduled an orientation for Tuesday morning to show me the various ways I could be helpful.

Remember, this is a small town and this is its only adoption center. Cats are NOT kept in cages at all, in fact they share two to what I would call an apartment. About 8 X10 feet, very roomy, with high ceilings and filled with cat climbing trees and toys. I don't believe any of you have ever seen a nicer facility or one that even comes close. I sure have not. Being a small town there are only about 8 cats to care for and I IMMEDIATELY said I wanted to be the cat guy along with three other women who would split up the week's duties. I was very excited because it was something I really wanted to do, being retired and having the time.

I then talked to the woman that ran the place and asked "this IS a no kill shelter, is it not?" to which she responded no. My world fell apart at that moment. I told her I did not think I would be able to work there after all. But I will take the orientation Tuesday and see how I feel about things then.

DW and I discussed this at length last night. I told her if I new a cat was going to be gassed in the morning I would almost have to adopt it myself. Everybody that worked for Hitler did not have a choice on throwing people into the gas chamber but I do have a choice. And I just cannot bring every cat home to live with me that wll be thrown into the gas chamber.

I am not bragging but I have been a professional speaker most of my life. DW thinks I need to schedule time at the next city council meeting and give the speech of my life. There are only five council members and I do not know what the original vote was. If it was 3-2, surely I can persuade the city council to reverse their decision on this matter. So that is what I am going to try to do.

Things like that take time of course. Meanwhile what would YOU do? Would you work for a facility no matter how nice it was if they gassed cats? I layed awake all night last night and my Thanksgiving today is not going to be a very pleasant one.

I really value your input and want to know what you would do in my situation.
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post #2 of 45
11/26/09 at 9:06am
If they need help, for me the answer is yes. Like you, I would be heartbroken that I couldnt save each one...the thing is, I know that the love and care I could provide to them while still alive is one of the most valuable gifts I can freely give. In that position, I would then have a louder voice to lobby for the change to no-kill. If I found that I really couldnt handle it, I would leave, and in NO WAY WHATSOEVER would I have anything to do with the euthanasia process. Still, there are animals there who need love and caring attention. Helping them to recover and resocialize will made them more adoptable, reducing the number of euthanasias the place would need to make.
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post #3 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:06am
If they really need the help, then yes. But I would as DW said and go before the council and see if it can be turned into a no-kill shelter. And I would NOT take the animals to be put down, no matter what!! They are God's creatures and should not be put down for being homeless/unwanted
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post #4 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:15am
There's no such thing as a no-kill shelter. I volunteer at a shelter that euthanises cats, but it does not stop me from volunteering there. Why? Because they don't euthanise due to lack of space, but due to unresolvable behaviourable issues, or health reasons. They spend a fair bit of money on sick or injured cats, but if the cat is at a stage where recovery is grim, they will euthanise. And even the shelters that have to euthanise due to lack of space need volunteers who will give the cats as much love as possible, because it may be the only love they ever get. The shelter can't help if they get so many cats dumped there that they physically CANNOT find homes for them all.

You need to find out on what grounds they euthanise, and what the criteria is.

Any shelter claiming to be no-kill just sends their cats elsewhere to die - there is no way they would keep very sick, or highly aggressive cats, and if they do, they shouldn't.

And comparing the shelter director to Hitler is very harsh and very disrespectful to those poor people who HAVE to make those tough decisions about which animals to keep alive and which ones to euthanise. There is one member in particular here who springs to mind who has to make these decisions, and she is one of the most sweetest, giving people I know and her heart breaks every time she HAS to make that decision.
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post #5 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:19am
Being this isn't Germany in 1940-something, you can work to stop the gassing. The best way to do this is to work for the shelter, and work to educate the people there about TNR - how it can lower costs to the community long term and the other benefits that brings to the community and the cats.

Being a speaker, you have unique skills to talk to City Council to help change the policies of this shelter.

I assume from the way you've posed the question, the town funds it?

Then it is a matter of education.

How many cats can the shelter handle? Can you help them build a foster network, so that when the shelter is at its limit, there are places to take the "non social cats" that would be put down?

You (well, the shelter) will have to deal with the hard decisions though, when it comes to medical problems. At what point is it worth it to save the cat vs. euthanize the kitty? Sometimes the kitty can have a wonderful life - but will require thousands in surgeries to get there.

One of our cats has cost well over $10,000. Did we know that when we took him to the vet that first - of hundreds (it really could be thousands - I'd have to look) of times? No. And we wouldn't go back and change it, either - he is an amazing cat, a loving pet, and a wonderful big "brother." But how many cats could that over $10,000 have saved/TNR'd? We funded the start-up of a no-kill shelter for less. But that is a practical reality that must be dealt with.

...but I think you can do far more good lobbying for the change and for the cats if you work at the shelter than if you don't. I think you work to get the other people at the shelter "on your side," and work together as a group.

....and if that's not possible, then you leave, and then attempt to work from the outside in.

Check out something like this:

http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cr...y-for-animals/ Scroll down for "Tools for Animal Advocates"

...or perhaps lobby to get the town to fund low-cost spay/neutering instead of gassing - or supporting TNR programs.... Here's something to consider: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/PDF/...rilization.PDF

There are a lot of broken links (sorry) - but a lot of potentially useful resources: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/index.html

...and I can help put together a presentation tailored to your community if you like, whatever decision you make.

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post #6 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:22am
Wow, Lee. Proverbial rock and hard place. I have a REAL ISSUE with gassing. It is inhumane! No animal should be allowed to choke to death. Sometimes it takes several minutes for it to die. I don't like euthanasia of adoptable, treatable healthy animals at all, but this is horrible. Some of our counties up north in Michigan still do it. Arggghhh!!!

I would do what you can tolerate re: working with the animals. Socialize and promote adoption and then I would gather as many cat-and-animal-loving people you know and stand up at "call to the public" or whatever your local council has and start speaking loudly, firmly and persistently on the subject. If you can get on their agenda, even better. Then you are not limited by time.

Do some research. Get data. I can ask our Michigan Pet Fund Alliance contact for some info on the subject. Go in armed and be prepared for disinterest.
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post #7 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:24am
What is it with Dallas and Kill Shelters anyways? It is very very VERY rare to find a no kill shelter in this city... it is just sad!

For me, I just couldn't... I would die with each one of those kitties... It would be too much for me.

I think you just might have found your calling though - if you work on the sidelines, going to the city council, lobbying, etc, you will do much more than if you work for them. IMO working for them you will be supporting a NEW kill shelter.
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post #8 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:49am
I agree with Sarah...find out what the criteria is for euthenasia for that facility. If it is for space, while I think that is wrong, funding only stretchs so far. But if the are euthenasing (sp?) sick cats or cats the are a danger to others then I can understand. It's a sticky situation. But the sad reality is you may be the only human in that cat's life that gives him any love, and just making a difference in one cats life means the world to him. If it is a city funded project, being an advocate for no-kill is great!! Hopefully they can get more funding and expand. If it is private, become a fund raiser. Either way, bless you for wanting to do this....I honestly don't think I could work in a shelter, kill or no kill. Heck, with 12 cats I think I'm running a shelter of my own!
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post #9 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:58am
I think you just need to ask yourself if you can emotionally handle some of these cats being put down (until things change). Obviously you're a cat lover, so there is nothing wrong with accepting the facts if it's going to make you too misserable and ruin your own quality of life.

That being said, remember that by volunteering at the facility you are going to make the lives of some very unfortunate cats just a little brighter.



No you can't take home every cat they are going to give up on.

Best of luck .
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post #10 of 45
11/26/09 at 11:01am
I would not be able to do it. I know most shelters do euthanize for health reasons, but I wouldn't be able to see cats who could live a little longer, surrounded with love and care, put down just because there isn't enough money or there aren't enough people to care for them ....
It is selfish, but it'd be too much for me, I couldn't handle it.
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post #11 of 45
11/26/09 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by Persi & Alley View Post
I am not bragging but I have been a professional speaker most of my life. DW thinks I need to schedule time at the next city council meeting and give the speech of my life. There are only five council members and I do not know what the original vote was. If it was 3-2, surely I can persuade the city council to reverse their decision on this matter. So that is what I am going to try to do.
Good for you! I am so happy that there are people out there like yourself that will stand up to make a difference. I can’t really give my opinion because I am over sensitive to this topic and have a hard time when I volunteer myself. It really depends on how much you can handle mentally. There have been times I had to take a month or two off and the longest was 5 months due to fits of rage and anguish.

I think it’s wonderful that you will be giving a voice to these little babies! Not all people have the skill of public speaking, its great that you can use that.
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post #12 of 45
11/26/09 at 11:20am
I volunteered for a county shelter for nearly three years. Yes, it was a kill shelter. They HAD to be. They got all the strays and ferals and such. If it was an owned pet, we referred them to the Humane Society. We did not take established pets. When I first learned it was a kill shelter, my heart sank. I hated the idea, but I listened to their criteria for putting an animal down: too sick, too aggressive, etc... they rarely put cats down for space issues. It happened once or twice in the time I was there. They do have a ring of foster homes, as well as Cat Adoption Team that takes cats when they're overcrowded, but in the times they had to euthanize for space, it was during high kitten season and everyone was jam-packed with cats... Yes, it hurt to know what they did, but I would rather get the word out about spaying and neutering and TNR. It was human stupidity/laziness that created the problem... educate the humans, the problem starts getting resolved.

I would see if they can, or know of someone who can start a low cost spay/neuter program, mobile or otherwise. Gather your info on things you can help them start, educate them, and help them move into the 21st century.

I eventually left the shelter here because I was getting burned out. I miss the kitties, but my time is needed elsewhere. I also had disagreements with our volunteer coordinator over some things... anyway...

Good luck. I hope you can affect some change there.
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post #13 of 45
11/26/09 at 11:52am
I doubt they gas them, and at any rate, with that low a count, I doubt they do much euthanasia.

Every one that is put to sleep at our shelter breaks my heart. But staying away isn't going to make it better, except possibly for me. I've been able to save cats that were staring at the close end of the Rainbow Bridge. Unfortunately, I've also had to say about a few, "This one is just intractable in the time and space we have, and he's going to have to go to make space for some of the ones that are waiting for their turn out front."

No shelter is completely no-kill, not even Best Friends. But the single most effective step to stopping the excess population is low cost/free spay and neuter programs for people with a low income. They are the source of the majority of unwanted pets. There's a campaign for you, and one that would reward you forever.
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post #14 of 45
11/26/09 at 2:02pm
I think most kill-shelters really don't have any other options. I do understand if someone doesn't feel like they could work in a place like that, I can't even go to visit a shelter, kill or no-kill, because I get this horrible quilty feeling about all those animals and why can't I take them all home with me, who am I to decide who gets a new chance and what about the ones left behind... However, if it's just your own principle not to work in a kill-shelter, I'd suggest to think again. You could help there as much as in a no-kill shelter or perhaps even more. Maybe you could even have a chance to make a difference and they would over time become a no-kill shelter.
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post #15 of 45
11/26/09 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post

And comparing the shelter director to Hitler is very harsh and very disrespectful to those poor people who HAVE to make those tough decisions about which animals to keep alive and which ones to euthanise. There is one member in particular here who springs to mind who has to make these decisions, and she is one of the most sweetest, giving people I know and her heart breaks every time she HAS to make that decision.
Having read this thread and other's started by Lee on a smiliar topic, I'm sure he didn't mean it that way. Obviously he's affected by the euthanizing of cats that may or may not need to be put down.
Often compassion for animals leads us all to make analogies that don't make sense to everyone.
I'm 100% sure he had every intention of meaning well by his post and his choice of title was just to spark interest on the subject.
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post #16 of 45
11/26/09 at 5:28pm
I'm about as soft-hearted when it comes to animals as anyone (my vet has told my daughter she doesn't think I'd be able to work in an animal environment where tough decisions had to be made. Having said that I don't honestly believe there is such a thing as a no-kill shelter and if anyone buys into that they are just naive IMO. I do, however, believe there are low-kill shelters where animals are only euthanized if there is no chance they will recover from an illness or accident.

As to comparing anything to Hitler - well that's just not right for any reason IMO.
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post #17 of 45
11/26/09 at 7:47pm
One of the biggest ways you can help is speak to the ones in charge to be a no kill shelter. You will be helping many cats. definitely do this.

Good luck in your decision.
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post #18 of 45
11/26/09 at 8:31pm
Lee, the animals of Farmer's Branch could never hope for a finer defender than you. I hope you can make these people see the light.
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post #19 of 45
11/26/09 at 10:33pm
With all due respect, please do not compare Auschwitz to euthanizing cats in a shelter.

I have changed the thread title to "Would you work for this shelter?" I think we can discuss the issue without bringing the Nazis into this.
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post #20 of 45
11/27/09 at 3:36am
I could not work in a high kill shelter, but there is really no thing as a no-kill shelter (and see my post about humane society staff being arrested if you want to see the result of those who try). The shelter I volunteer at is no kill, I can name off all the cats that were euthanised while I was there (all for illness issues or other things that make them unadoptable) so you will still see some of those decisions being made regardless.

We never lie to our volunteers when we do have to euthanise or release one to a barn situation if they aren't really 'pets' (we try them in the shelter for a while first)

I would volunteer, but unless you know they are using gas and what their euthanasia policy is, I wouldnt even make this an issue
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post #21 of 45
11/27/09 at 3:59am
It might be hard, but I'd work there. Even if you give the cats a little love, its better then none at all. And no-kill shelters run out of space/room quickly. Every dog and cat cannot be saved. You have to face that fact.

Its a tough job - not like YOU are the one to do that part. And I agree with the others, find out under what criteria they will have when making that decision.

I'd want to work there - just to give the cats some nice grooming, attention and (my pet peeve) - getting the colors correct!
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post #22 of 45
11/27/09 at 4:06am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
I'd want to work there - just to give the cats some nice grooming, attention and (my pet peeve) - getting the colors correct!
In most shelters you wouldn't get a say in the colours, at ours they are inspected by a vet offsite before their paws ever touch the shelter. The vet calls us and gives us the info which we enter into our system - the system that doesnt have red but orange as a colour for cats
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post #23 of 45
11/27/09 at 5:04am
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
There's no such thing as a no-kill shelter. I volunteer at a shelter that euthanises cats, but it does not stop me from volunteering there. Why? Because they don't euthanise due to lack of space, but due to unresolvable behaviourable issues, or health reasons. They spend a fair bit of money on sick or injured cats, but if the cat is at a stage where recovery is grim, they will euthanise. And even the shelters that have to euthanise due to lack of space need volunteers who will give the cats as much love as possible, because it may be the only love they ever get. The shelter can't help if they get so many cats dumped there that they physically CANNOT find homes for them all.

You need to find out on what grounds they euthanise, and what the criteria is.

Any shelter claiming to be no-kill just sends their cats elsewhere to die - there is no way they would keep very sick, or highly aggressive cats, and if they do, they shouldn't.

And comparing the shelter director to Hitler is very harsh and very disrespectful to those poor people who HAVE to make those tough decisions about which animals to keep alive and which ones to euthanise. There is one member in particular here who springs to mind who has to make these decisions, and she is one of the most sweetest, giving people I know and her heart breaks every time she HAS to make that decision.
Well said, I agree!
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post #24 of 45
11/27/09 at 5:16am
Ickle,

But you could always change it on the little card on the cage......
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post #25 of 45
11/27/09 at 7:30am
In Houston approximately 80,000 cats and dogs are euthanized every year. It happens because that many animals are turned into the shelters for which homes cannot be found. Ask yourself this, if they aren't euthanized what happens to them? The answer is that they would be destined to live out their lives in tiny cages. That to me is far more cruel than euthansia. At the one, true no kill shelter I have visited the overcrowded conditions the cats were forced to live in were very distressing to me. They weren't in cages but the building was just wall to wall cats. Many of them were obviously suffering from the stress of living in such an environment.

The humane solution is to reduce the number of unwanted puppies and kittens that are born everyday. That requires a long term, well funded, well organized plan that most jurisdictions find difficult to get into place. Until it happens, kill shelters have no choice but to euthanize animals they don't have the resources to care for. They should not be criticized for this. It is not a situation of their making. They are dealing with a problem that other irresponsible humans are responsible for creating.

The animals these shelters take in and do try to find homes for need care, frequently from volunteers, for whatever time they live at the shelter. I admire anyone who gives their time to do this. There are several reasons I would find it difficult to work at a shelter and that is why I volunteer instead with a feral cat group. We TNR feral colonies and help find caregivers for them and intervene when feral colonies are threatened by intolerant humans.

BTW, "no kill" is commonly applied to shelters that only euthanize sick and suffering animals. It isn't meant to imply they never euthanize.
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post #26 of 45
11/27/09 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Ickle,

But you could always change it on the little card on the cage......
Nope, they are behind plastic and printed right from our shelter management software - and for good reason, 'helpful volunteers' like to write stuff on them that misrepresents the animals and could lead to unsuitable adoptions (not colours but behaviour)
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post #27 of 45
11/27/09 at 5:10pm
If you believe that working in a setting where euthanizing cats may take place, whether you are involved directory or not, is going to bother you...then don't do it. If possible, become involved in a capacity that may not involve any direct contact, like fundraising or administrative work. I worked on a few shelter committees, but could never bring myself to be involved directly with the animals there.

I've also worked at a veterinary clinic and as a volunteer with TNR. Both organizations had set rules on when an animal could be euthanized. The problem with that is, even if only sick or injured cats are euthanized, you may be willing to go farther to provide care than the average owner/caregiver. Example... a hit by car comes in with injuries that would cost $400 to fix, or an FELV+ without symptoms. Unfortunately, many owners will not pay that or keep a disease positive pet. Maybe you would. Stuff like that can eat you up.

I suggest you become involved in a capacity that lets you sleep at night. Maybe that's the easy way out, but if you don't choose a part of the solution that you are well suited for, it can be a bad thing.
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post #28 of 45
11/28/09 at 9:52am
Thread Starter 
If they need help, for me the answer is yes. Like you, I would be heartbroken that I couldnt save each one...the thing is, I know that the love and care I could provide to them while still alive is one of the most valuable gifts I can freely give. In that position, I would then have a louder voice to lobby for the change to no-kill. If I found that I really couldnt handle it, I would leave, and in NO WAY WHATSOEVER would I have anything to do with the euthanasia process. Still, there are animals there who need love and caring attention. Helping them to recover and resocialize will made them more adoptable, reducing the number of euthanasias the place would need to make. (Februa)

A good point, one that I really did not consider.

There's no such thing as a no-kill shelter. I volunteer at a shelter that euthanises cats, but it does not stop me from volunteering there. Why? Because they don't euthanise due to lack of space, but due to unresolvable behaviourable issues, or health reasons. They spend a fair bit of money on sick or injured cats, but if the cat is at a stage where recovery is grim, they will euthanise. And even the shelters that have to euthanise due to lack of space need volunteers who will give the cats as much love as possible, because it may be the only love they ever get. The shelter can't help if they get so many cats dumped there that they physically CANNOT find homes for them all.

You need to find out on what grounds they euthanise, and what the criteria is. (Sarahp)

After reading the replies here I now realize a different meaning to the term no-klll. I see the term so often I imagined something like an old folks home where they are cared for until they die. That was my impression and why I wrote what I did. Thanks to you and others I now have a better understanding.

...but I think you can do far more good lobbying for the change and for the cats if you work at the shelter than if you don't. I think you work to get the other people at the shelter "on your side," and work together as a group.

....and if that's not possible, then you leave, and then attempt to work from the outside in. (LDG)

A very good answer. My mindset is changing on the matter.

I would not be able to do it. I know most shelters do euthanize for health reasons, but I wouldn't be able to see cats who could live a little longer, surrounded with love and care, put down just because there isn't enough money or there aren't enough people to care for them ....
It is selfish, but it'd be too much for me, I couldn't handle it. (Ut0pia)

This is exactly why I posted this thread. I am now swaying back and forth on the matter. Your response has made me see things the way I originally felt but others sway me to reconsider the whole thing.

No shelter is completely no-kill, not even Best Friends. But the single most effective step to stopping the excess population is low cost/free spay and neuter programs for people with a low income. They are the source of the majority of unwanted pets. There's a campaign for you, and one that would reward you forever.(Mrblanche)

This is a brand new shelter only in operation for a couple of months and that is why they only have 8 cats at present. But they are planning to become more aggressive in bringing in ferals and stray cats. Funny, I was looking at my tape collection last night and came across one by the Stray Cats, trying to figure out if it was possible to make MP3s out of them. But seriously Mike, I value your advice. I would be the only man working at the shelter and I kind of have an idea that you are in the same position.

Having read this thread and other's started by Lee on a smiliar topic, I'm sure he didn't mean it that way. Obviously he's affected by the euthanizing of cats that may or may not need to be put down.
Often compassion for animals leads us all to make analogies that don't make sense to everyone.
I'm 100% sure he had every intention of meaning well by his post and his choice of title was just to spark interest on the subject.(Kai Bengals)

Thank you. My analogy was a gut reaction and was not meant to compare cats to humans other than history just came to mind as I was writing my post. And you are exactly right about why I chose that title.

As to comparing anything to Hitler - well that's just not right for any reason IMO.(Yosemite)

Actually I was only trying to compare actions that are well known. I did not mean for this to be directed at any person at all.

With all due respect, please do not compare Auschwitz to euthanizing cats in a shelter.

I have changed the thread title to "Would you work for this shelter?" I think we can discuss the issue without bringing the Nazis into this.(Anne)

Thank you, this is the first time in my three years on this site that I have had a post in IMO. When I chose that title for my post it was definately meant to draw attention and at the time I was very despondent not to mention the extreme amount of Valium I am on right now.

I would volunteer, but unless you know they are using gas and what their euthanasia policy is, I wouldnt even make this an issue.(Icklemiss21)

I will do just that Tuesday. I am going to take the orientation. Had it not been for the responses here, I probably would not have done it.

Ask yourself this, if they aren't euthanized what happens to them? The answer is that they would be destined to live out their lives in tiny cages. That to me is far more cruel than euthansia. At the one, true no kill shelter I have visited the overcrowded conditions the cats were forced to live in were very distressing to me. They weren't in cages but the building was just wall to wall cats. Many of them were obviously suffering from the stress of living in such an environment. (mschauer)

I will be asking the director that very thing Tuesday. Responses like this are having a profound affect on my decision. Where else but The Cat Site could I have went to to solve my dilema?

Perhaps somebody here will tell me how to correctly include many posts by other people in the post that I am writing. I realize I am doing this wrong, I opened two windows of The Cat Site and copied portions of other posts but that does not include the names of the posters and I have seen other people do it correctly. Excuse my ignorance.

Also excuse my ignorance on what no-kill shelters are. I appreciate every single one of your responses. I have a large yellow lined legal pad with two full pages of things that you good people have asked me to find out about during my orientation on Tuesday. Right now I am the only one signed up so I should have plenty of time to take that legal pad with me and get straight answers. I will report the results at the end of this thread.

To Sarah and others, I had no intention of comparing Hiter to the directors of these shelters that have to make these tough desicions. It was meant as a metaphor and nothing else. But I can understand unintended reactions. Imagine how I felt when W said that Iran was an axis of evil, I having an Iranian wife. It is easy to offend others without realizing that you are doing it. That is why I have never posted to IMO and originally put this in the Lounge.

I thank all of you for helping me with this.

Oh, it just occurred to me that if I do not follow through on this, I will have to change my siggie.
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post #29 of 45
11/28/09 at 10:44am
.....and dont' forget, we're here for questions, support, to listen to venting, and for hugs all along the way - whatever you decide to do.
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post #30 of 45
11/28/09 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by Persi & Alley View Post
Perhaps somebody here will tell me how to correctly include many posts by other people in the post that I am writing. I realize I am doing this wrong, I opened two windows of The Cat Site and copied portions of other posts but that does not include the names of the posters and I have seen other people do it correctly. Excuse my ignorance.
A thought provoking thread, Lee, and no need to reiterate the great comments from other posters. But I will answer this for you.

At the bottom of each post there are three buttons at the right hand side:



On each post you want in your multi-quote, click on the middle one . The colour will change.

When you have selected all the posts you want to quote, click on the button at the top or bottom of the page. In the resulting edit window you will find all your selected posts -- in the order in which you selected them. From there proceed just as you would if you had quoted only one.
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