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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Lucy will be a year old in March. She has had 2 very strong heats, where she will go sit outside of Dilly's door with her butt in the air. I know she needs to be bred soon, adn I was hopng to hold her off til at least January, because she is still pretty small, but I don't want her to get sick either.
She just went out of heat the end of last week, and seems to cycle once a month.
post #2 of 24
Is Lucy a Purebreed cat? Has she been shown? Did she come with Breeding rights?
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
Yes, I raise Siamese cats, she did come with breeding rights. I haven't been able to find any shows in my area, but would love to find one!
post #4 of 24
Siamese are cats that go in and out of heat a LOT and cannot be "put on hold" without problems. I would breed her and then get them in the show ring as soon as you can.

Pictures????
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I can't figure out how to post pics! grrr
post #6 of 24
BTW you are in Nebraska - there are plenty of CFA and ACFA shows you can go to - let me know which association you are registered and which ones you want to show in - can give you info on both.
post #7 of 24
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Great! I live in western Ne, about 40 miles from the Wyomung state line. Right now I am a member of TCA, but I want to join CFA, but I'm really not sure how. I was trying to find a cat club in Nebraska.
post #8 of 24
You don't need to join CFA - its a club registration - not an individual one. There is an CFA club on the east side - Omaha area. Here's the regions' website. If you have questions, pm me and I'll help you out.

http://www.cfamidwest.org/


Also do you have a webpage? I'd like to see it if you do. We show CFA and ACFA. Both Charlie and Jack are ACFA grands. Charlie had to retire from showing but was close to grand in CFA. We are hoping that Jack can grand quickly in CFA too.
post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thank you
I do have a web site, but again I can't figure out how to get the pictures in it!
post #10 of 24
I'd definitely mate her if she is almost a year old. Siamese females are smaller cats, naturally.
post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
Yes, but I don't want her to have any problems having them.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
BTW you are in Nebraska - there are plenty of CFA and ACFA shows you can go to - let me know which association you are registered and which ones you want to show in - can give you info on both.
Some places in Nebraska are not very close to the cities. Where the OP lives I think Denver Co and Cheyenne WY would be closer to her. If I wanted to go to a cat show I would have to travel no less than 250 miles in any direction.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dilly View Post
Yes, but I don't want her to have any problems having them.
Do you have a good vet with vast experience on breeding cats? If so, consult with your vet.

Do you have any Siamese breeder friends in the area or your mentor? they should be able to help (can look at size, condition etc).

Also what ages was the mother, grandmother etc mated and how did they go with having babies. All of this info can help you make an informed decision.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
Some places in Nebraska are not very close to the cities. Where the OP lives I think Denver Co and Cheyenne WY would be closer to her. If I wanted to go to a cat show I would have to travel no less than 250 miles in any direction.
Yes, exactly. Cheyenne is about an hour and a half for me, so that wouldn't be too bad, but I've never seen anything about shows there.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by WellingtonCats View Post
Do you have a good vet with vast experience on breeding cats? If so, consult with your vet.

Do you have any Siamese breeder friends in the area or your mentor? they should be able to help (can look at size, condition etc).

Also what ages was the mother, grandmother etc mated and how did they go with having babies. All of this info can help you make an informed decision.
Yes, the lady that I got my girls from is my mentor, but we've never discussed what age she bred her girls. I do believe that most of cats deliveries go just fine, with the unfortunate loss once in a while that we all have to experience.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dilly View Post
Right now I am a member of TCA, but I want to join CFA, but I'm really not sure how.
I would imagine if your cats are TCA registered, that CFA or TICA may not allow them to be registered as TCA has some questionable ideas and don't require cats to be pedigreed for registration.
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
Okay, so theres probably nothing I can do then is there?
post #18 of 24
I know that - closest show to us is 2 hrs - we travel 2-6 hrs to get to shows. When you live in the west, you get used to traveling longer distances.


I mis-read it then - thought the poster said TICA - not TCA. They don't hold shows and you can't register TCA cats in any other association, unless TICA allows it. I know that CFA and ACFA don't. Sorry, my mistake.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dilly View Post
Okay, so theres probably nothing I can do then is there?
You could always neuter what you've got and restart with TICA, CFA or ACFA registered cats. Then you can show and register your cats correctly.
post #20 of 24
Missy is right. IMO unless you are gonna show your cats or have others show them for you, then you shouldn't breed. The goal is to produce better quality then the parents - can't do that without some kind of showing.

You would have to buy from a breeder that registered/showed in CFA, TICA, or ACFA first.
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
Couldn't I go to TCA cat shows?
post #22 of 24
There are none that I know of - if there are, can you give me the website with them? Is TCA the Tradional Cat Association? If so, they don't hold cat shows like CFA, etc. I looked at their website - from what I can tell regarding shows - its a "virtual" show - not a real one - there is no information about where a show is held - seems to be "judged" on pictures alone; not in person.

If I'm wrong, then correct me.
post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
They have a show schedule. The website is
post #24 of 24
Their shows are photo shows...

"The Traditional Cat Association, Inc. welcomes you to participate in our Twenty-First Annual Purebred Traditional and Classic Cat Review. Entrants are requested to send a non-returnable photo for each class entered to the Show Secretary."

Most of the site comments had to do with the advertising they received, and how much easier they have found it to sell kittens now that they are registered with TCA.

One comment: "I thank you so much for doing this site. I now have what I realize is a Traditional kitten, when I thought that meant what I now know is a Classic!! I just didn't want one of these new weirdos. I am so sorry to see this type of distortion! I have known Siamese ever since the mid 50's, when my cousin was breeding them. They were so incredibly wonderful, and she GAVE us one to take home. We never recovered from that terrific introduction. I love these old timers so much! Why on earth would the CFA go for these distorted sad beasts and call them Siamese????" Gretchen.

Just like in the education field, there are various types of accreditation. In North America, CFA, TICA and ACFA are the 'official' and most respected registries. Honestly, anyone can make up a registry to represent just about anything but that doesn't mean a whole lot. It seems to me that the main focus of the TCA is to 'legitimize' the sale of 'purebred' cats that don't fit within the standards outlined in the other registries. As others have stated, the only reason to breed new kittens into this world is to produce better examples of the breed. This is done through showing cats in physical shows to judge their worth as breeding animals. Breeding cats outside of these registries seems to me to be little better than breeding household pets.

The disclaimer I have is that I know there are people who feel strongly that long-nosed persians and apple-headed siamese are the better way to go, but I just don't agree. I agree with sticking with approved standards as laid out by the three top registries.
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