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Feral Socialisation - Too Fast / Too Slow / just Right?

post #1 of 11
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I am heart broken that one of the cats I socialised may be coming back to the shelter. I spent a very long time with her adopter explaining her needs etc and this adopter had come in looking for someone she could bring around - not one of the instant pets.

She is upset that the cat is not a cuddly cat - which she was told she probably never would be - but I thing part of her issue is she doesnt try enough. She says the cat tenses under her hands so she doesnt try to touch her. Well a cat with no contact is never going to get used to contact.

On the other hand, the cat now comes out when she has guests and sits on the furniture etc in comparison to her first two months there where she practically lived under the sofa.

I am not sure what the adopter expects from her at this point, she is going to give it a bit longer as the shelter is full and she is trying Feliway (which I am sure I recommended at the time of adoption and several times since)

I have tried telling her the usuals about putting your hands on them, then under etc until you can pick them up but she seems too worried about upsetting her to try.

I think part of my mistake was showing her Autumn's progress pictures but I forced (gently) Autumn into being a pet, she was handled daily regardless of how she liked it, starting with a wand toy, then a soft brush before ever putting my hands on her.

I still remember the day Autumn finally jumped up beside me at the shelter and let me touch her with the brush without a swat or a bite, it was the day I agreed to foster her. I know many people in the shelter thought I took things too fast with her in the beginning, but Matt was not willing to have a real feral in the house, temporary or not, and I was her last chance - the shelter had already declawed her in the hope that one of the volunteers who also spent time with her would take her if she could do less damage, something I have only seen them do once in all the time I have been there.

I really dont know what to suggest to her at this point, while we are a no-kill shelter, we do have provisions in our mandate that it is only adoptable animals as we have seen too many cats that should not be in a shelter languish in a cage for too long. Euthanising any animal (even one hit by a car who is braindead) has to be agreed on by a committee but none of them know this cat and none of them are really feral people so I could really do with suggestions on how to get this woman to handle the cat more without taking it too fast that its too much for the cat
post #2 of 11
I might be wrong, but it sounds to me that the adopter may just need some cheerleading. She doesn't think she's doing it right, or doing the righst stuff. I think that Autumn must be doing amazing there to come out when she has guests! Wow! She must be doing SOMEthing right!
post #3 of 11
I don't know what to say. It sounds like she just has wrong expectations - perhaps needs cheerleading, as suggested. We didn't force contact on our ferals that didn't want it, so I have no recommendations. Other than Lazlo and Shelly, we just waited for them to bump us before moving forward with the touching.

We did start working on picking them up, just so we could get them in carriers. I can share what we did there, but maybe someone who has worked with ferals differently can provide advice here.
post #4 of 11
She is doing something right, if Autumn is coming out to see guests. Hell, my cats don't even do that unless said guests are quiet, don't move around a lot and doesn't try to grab them. Both my cats are strays and not feral as well.

I'd say this kitty is coming around... it could take her about a year to completely socialize. This adopter needs some cheer leading. Autumn needs to start trusting her new parent, so she definitely needs to start petting her. Maybe just gently at the start while she's eating? I do mean very gently like feather touch petting. Then she will associate petting with something really good (food) at first and she should become less tense if petted at other times.

This is what I did with EG, who while not feral is a traumatized kitty. He was traumatized at a very young age when some neighborhood kids killed his mom. I got him when he was 4 weeks old... it took me about 3 years to get EG to become a lap cat. Even to this day its on his terms.
post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by LisaR View Post
She is doing something right, if Autumn is coming out to see guests. Hell, my cats don't even do that unless said guests are quiet, don't move around a lot and doesn't try to grab them. Both my cats are strays and not feral as well.
Some of mine are the same way. Even my most social one will hide sometimes. It's natural for a small animal to do this.

Maybe meet her for lunch to make it a more informal chat? Give her more documentation on ferals.
Let her know that pushing a little won't make Autumn hate her. Good treats or irresistible toys can get her more used to coming close.

As someone who has enough lap cats - I don't mind having a couple that don't want to cling to me. It's fine to have a cat like this.

I always push younger kittens, older ones and adults depend on the cat personality and curiosity. A cat that comes out to watch guests sounds fairly curious and will want some interaction with time. Maybe Autumn wants more but her human just isn't reading her right?
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
Just to clarify, Autumn is my cat. She was more feral than this one when adopted (or at least fostered). With this one I had already worked with her for several months before adoption. However, different types of feral too - Autumn is the aggressive rip your face off kind and this cat is the quiet hideaway kind.

I have been in contact with her adopter on a regular basis, at least once a month and sometimes much more and I know she has spoken to the adoption counsellors when I have not been there when she called. She has met me at the shelter, spoken on the phone and by email a lot.
post #7 of 11
Misread I was (and still am) in the middle of cooking and was also trying to round the cat gang up for lunch.

I don't know what more you can do then. If she's going to give up, she's probably already made up her mind.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
Just to clarify, Autumn is my cat. She was more feral than this one when adopted (or at least fostered). With this one I had already worked with her for several months before adoption. However, different types of feral too - Autumn is the aggressive rip your face off kind and this cat is the quiet hideaway kind.

I have been in contact with her adopter on a regular basis, at least once a month and sometimes much more and I know she has spoken to the adoption counsellors when I have not been there when she called. She has met me at the shelter, spoken on the phone and by email a lot.
Oops, sorry about that! But still, that cat is coming along really quite well. It's a shame she thinks she should give up.
post #9 of 11
Hmm, do you think she (the adopter) is possibly just feeling like she's not doing a good job? Maybe she is just thinking 'this kitty would be better off back at the shelter - she is not doing well.. I am not a good cat mom'? If that's the case, then maybe she needs strongly cheerleaded like people said. It definitely sounds like the kitty is doing WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!! And gosh, there are shy cats out there that were never feral/stray that may avoid coming out when company is over.

Does she have more than one cat? If she wants a "cuddly" cat, could she just get a second cat..? So she could keep her kitty that is doing fine but since she seems to be wanting "more" out of the relationship.. and then get another kitty that she can love all over without being scared...

I don't know.. it just sounds like the cat is doing fantastic! Does she know it may do the cat more bad bringing back to the shelter than if the cat just stays with her? Or is there maybe something else going on (maybe she is tired of having a pet already..... ugh)

Good luck. That is very heart breaking.

I'm hoping she just needs some confidence. Maybe she's depressed about something unrelated to the cat and just not in a good place?
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
She adopted a feral from us previously and worked with it, it came around and lived a very spoiled life but died quite young, I think at 7. So I dont think she is fed up of having a cat in general - I know ferals can be a PITA when socialising but I really dont how how much she can expect from the cat given she was feral at 3 years old and she wont push her.

With the strides she has made, I know she will regress in the shelter if she comes back and I know what the outcome of that will be
post #11 of 11
Sorry about that mess up with the cat names. I'm not so sure what we can say. Her kitty has come a looong way in such a short time. I would just stress the good job she is doing and the fact that kitty WILL regress if she goes back to shelter. Vibes for kitty's new parent.. you are doing a good job please realize that!! I'm not sure what you should say or do.. but it can take such a long time. This kitty is obviously curious, and not traumatized if given more time and patience she could become a lap cat I believe.
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