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PETA flyer I received in the mail

post #1 of 48
11/25/09 at 7:53am
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was absolutly heartbreaking and sad. I never get PETA advertisement in the mail but yesterday I did.

What I read was horror and the pictures they sent were even wose - I cannot stop thinking about triple dozen of cats piled in metal crates waiting to be skinned for use of materialist stuff! Dogs too.

I want to hug my cats and throw up at the thought of the next time someone puts their hands into a pair of gloves they bought for $6.99 that have fur lining.... that was suppost to be someone's cat or dog and they died a horrid death all for $6.99!

This holiday season please God bless all the kitties/dogs and horses of the world!
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post #2 of 48
11/25/09 at 10:24am
Please please PLEASE do not listen to a single word those propagandist idiots have to say. I really don't want to get into my rant about PETA because I have a STRONG hate for them.

You should know that the USA PETA animal shelters put down thousands of adoptable pets every year if you want to start with #1 on the list of great hypocrisies of PETA.

If you're interested in finding out more about animal welfare and right please check out the World Society for the Protection of Animals. I do not agree with EVERYTHING they do - but for the most part they do some really wonderful work.
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post #3 of 48
11/25/09 at 10:28am
they put down over 95% of the animals they take in. they're much worse killing machines than anyone else.

But what kills me are those ads that come on tv (not PETA ads). i don't know if you get them there. a really sad slow song plays and they show all these cat and dogs with scared and sad looks. I'm a strong man, and can take a lot. that is the ONLY thing I've ever seen that i literally have to change the channel seeing. it honestly breaks my heart.

hmm maybe i'm not as strong as I say then. because I also can't read a lot of threads in the health section here because it's so sad to see all those sick animals and the breaking hearts of the people that love them.

EDIT: here's some healthy info:

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Animal lovers worldwide now have access to more than a decade’s worth of proof that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) kills thousands of defenseless pets at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. Since 1998, PETA has opted to “put down” 21,339 adoptable dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens instead of finding homes for them.

PETA’s “Animal Record” report for 2008, filed with the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, shows that the animal rights group killed 95 percent of the dogs and cats in its care last year. During all of 2008, PETA found adoptive homes for just seven pets.

Just seven animals -- out of the 2,216 it took in. PETA just broke its own record.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
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post #4 of 48
11/25/09 at 10:29am
I find it is too much to take in and I emotionally shut down. I am sure they are successful in getting their point across to some people but it is so horrific to me I just can't process what I am seeing or reading. Specifically the PETA stuff that I have seen.

Their cruelty free handbook that you can get by signing up to their website is small enough to keep in your wallet and is AWESOME! It gives the list of major and some not major companies that are cruelty free.

I found a really good book called Farm Sanctuary by Gene Baur to be very informative but done in a none assaultive way. I don't know how else to describe it. I highly recommend it. They also have a website farmsanctuary.org where you can get a feel for who they are.
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post #5 of 48
11/25/09 at 10:34am
PETA believes it is better to humanely euthanize companion animals than have them sit in (over)crowded shelters. The stuck their nose into our battle in Livingston County, Michigan, without knowing all of the facts, even going so far as to write a letter to the editor supporting euthanasia. The AC Director put it on the county AC web site in support of HER policies! Arrggghh!

I called and a couple of other people called and reamed out the woman who authored the letter. It got pulled.
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post #6 of 48
11/25/09 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by fifi1puss View Post
Their cruelty free handbook that you can get by signing up to their website is small enough to keep in your wallet and is AWESOME! It gives the list of major and some not major companies that are cruelty free.
Excepting for the companies that donate to them - how convenient *end angry grumbling*.

I'm not totally sure about the states but those ads in Canada are for the OSCPA (ASPCA). The WWF ones always used to make me cry too. Even the home-for-the-holidays commercials make me tear up... they are just not fair to the pregnant lady!!!
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post #7 of 48
11/25/09 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by AddieBee View Post
PETA believes it is better to humanely euthanize companion animals than have them sit in (over)crowded shelters.
PETA believes no one should have pets because it is cruel to enslave domesticated animals .


Sorry I said I wouldn't start ranting...
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post #8 of 48
11/25/09 at 10:43am
PETA is a tough conversation because often times you'll find yourself arguing about it with people you like a lot.
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post #9 of 48
11/25/09 at 11:01am
I've been on this site for years and have found that there are very few people here that support PeTA. The ones that do usually won't speak up, because they will get tons of information thrown at them, that exposes what PeTA is really all about.

A good lively conversation about PeTA, every couple of months is actually a good thing, because it sure does enlighten any new people on board that support PeTA because they just don't know the truth yet.
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post #10 of 48
11/25/09 at 11:18am
I don't know anyone that supports or agrees with PETA. I take what they say or do with a grain of salt. They do far more harm then good.

I was at some pet show where they had a booth (vegiterian) with some brochures out (and pictures). The people were polite sitting there, but I moved on once I found out they were PETA connected.
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post #11 of 48
11/25/09 at 11:27am
I highly suggest everyone look into this but I have to warn you it's pretty gross. If you'd like some insight into the people who run PETA here is the will of the Director*

(*The last time I looked into this she was the assistant director, so either that is wrong, or she's moved up)

http://www.peta.org/feat/newkirk/will.html

Highlights include having parts of her body taxidermied, cooked or otherwise used in a form or protest.

Yeah that's sanity for you...
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post #12 of 48
11/25/09 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
... but I moved on once I found out they were PETA connected.
You are far more civilized then I . I have a propensity to yell at them... greenpeace too but that's another kettle of fish.

Some joker put me on their mailing list too although they seem to have taken me off since I filled out one of their surveys expressing my exact opinions on PETA .

Actually my mostly like to at graduation "Hit a member of greenpeace over the head with her husbands hockey stick"
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post #13 of 48
11/25/09 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by Nes View Post
Please please PLEASE do not listen to a single word those propagandist idiots have to say. I really don't want to get into my rant about PETA because I have a STRONG hate for them.
That may be, but I'm still going to agree that it isn't OK to use cats to line gloves.
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post #14 of 48
11/25/09 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
That may be, but I'm still going to agree that it isn't OK to use cats to line gloves.
So don't buy gloves made in China. There's enough reasons not to buy Chinese products anyways, cat fur should be the least of your worries with the dangerous products produced.

I wonder though... How's PETA going to do much in China?
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post #15 of 48
11/26/09 at 1:08am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
I don't know anyone that supports or agrees with PETA. I take what they say or do with a grain of salt. They do far more harm then good.
I do. I have one friend who I know used to support PETA strongly. She was a vegan, she would not use any animal products because she did not think the animals were treated 'humanely'.
I don't know if she still supports them as I have not heard from her in a few years. I am sure she heard about PETA wanting to do away with pets and their other hidden agendas but I think she just did not believe it was true unfortunately.
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post #16 of 48
11/26/09 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
That may be, but I'm still going to agree that it isn't OK to use cats to line gloves.
Well I think we're all going to agree there.
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post #17 of 48
11/26/09 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by Nekochan View Post
I do. I have one friend who I know used to support PETA strongly. She was a vegan, she would not use any animal products because she did not think the animals were treated 'humanely'.
I don't know if she still supports them as I have not heard from her in a few years. I am sure she heard about PETA wanting to do away with pets and their other hidden agendas but I think she just did not believe it was true unfortunately.
It really frustrates me when celebrities support PETA because some people will follow a famous-face blindly anywhere. Although, entertainingly, with the exception of the blond-blimbo most of them seem to fade out over time. Presumably when they realize who thy are supporting.

There are SOME things that PETA does that could remotely be considered good campaigns (they do have some nice vegetarian recipes). However, I really resent organizations, like PETA, who make animal rights activists look like a bunch of nut jobs!!!

I do believe cows/pigs/sheep/chicken deserve to be kept outside, on small farms, with natural foods - that doesn't mean I don't also think they are delicious! Or that basic practices like de-horning cattle, while it make seem cruel to the uninformed, really ARE in their best interest. If you don't believe me you are more then welcome to come over and meet my neighbours heifers - we'll see how many of them you'd like to attach pointy spears to!!

*okay finished my grumbling for the morning*
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post #18 of 48
11/26/09 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
That may be, but I'm still going to agree that it isn't OK to use cats to line gloves.


The thing is, all animal welfare groups will agree that its not ok to use fur for clothing - cat or other animals, you dont have to go as extreme as PeTA to disagree with cats being used for fur.
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post #19 of 48
11/26/09 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by Nes View Post
I highly suggest everyone look into this but I have to warn you it's pretty gross. If you'd like some insight into the people who run PETA here is the will of the Director*

(*The last time I looked into this she was the assistant director, so either that is wrong, or she's moved up)

http://www.peta.org/feat/newkirk/will.html

Highlights include having parts of her body taxidermied, cooked or otherwise used in a form or protest.

Yeah that's sanity for you...
Now that was one disturbing link. Talk about crazyyyyy.
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post #20 of 48
11/26/09 at 9:56pm
I dislike PETA as well for a number of reasons.

I cannot stand their "shove-it-in-your-face-with-pictures-of-dead-animals" practice for instance...
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post #21 of 48
11/27/09 at 4:08am
Will admit the ONLY thing I agree with PETA is that animals should not be used to make fur coats. I don't own anything that has real fur from any animal.

However, if an animal is gonna be used for many different things and not "wasted" (fur coats are wasted cause that's the only purpose for the animal used", then its different - you are using the whole animal.
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post #22 of 48
11/27/09 at 5:01am
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Originally Posted by MTBee View Post
was absolutly heartbreaking and sad. I never get PETA advertisement in the mail but yesterday I did.

What I read was horror and the pictures they sent were even wose - I cannot stop thinking about triple dozen of cats piled in metal crates waiting to be skinned for use of materialist stuff! Dogs too.

I want to hug my cats and throw up at the thought of the next time someone puts their hands into a pair of gloves they bought for $6.99 that have fur lining.... that was suppost to be someone's cat or dog and they died a horrid death all for $6.99!

This holiday season please God bless all the kitties/dogs and horses of the world!
PETA wants your money so they can use it to legislate pets out of existence. They'll have you think you're helping the cat in the picture, but that money will go to their legislative fund to push their agenda. No kitty will EVER see that $$. I avoid ALL ANIMAL RIGHTS orgs, and some welfare orgs (disguised AR's)...PETA, HSUS, Best Friends Animal League and several others. They are all BAD NEWS. They want to take away your rights to own your animals; they are all uber-liberal terrorist nutcases with an agenda to push. They are so good at bringing on the tears..that's their MO! Don't be fooled!!! I don't trust any of them. Support a specific rescue or local shelter instead, that's the rule of thumb.
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post #23 of 48
11/27/09 at 11:04am
"Support a specific rescue or local shelter instead, that's the rule of thumb." Probably the best advice for just about anything - support those in your own community that need help.
You forgot to mention ASPCA and it's related -SPCAs in other countries though (RSPCA is really bad).

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
However, if an animal is gonna be used for many different things and not "wasted" (fur coats are wasted cause that's the only purpose for the animal used", then its different - you are using the whole animal.
I don't think anything is wrong with using some furs when there's a real purpose to. Fashion... well lots of things done for fashion are pointless and useless. A fur coat is nothing but a tacky status symbol - like over priced houses people can't afford and owning multiple expensive vehicles.

If one lived up near the artic circle they'd feel different about fur being used for some things - synthetic fibers still aren't as good at keeping heat in and blocking extreme cold.

Maybe it doesn't bother some to do it, but I'm not about to dictate how other cultures should live and behave. I have no right to tell anyone to change their cultural belief and practices.
If you don't like something being made, don't buy it and politely write to the companies that may be selling those products (either intentionally or accidentally). Rational communication has much better effects than smearing a company's name or PETA's habit of sensationalizing things.
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post #24 of 48
11/27/09 at 2:01pm
I'm in 100% agreement with SW. I don't actually have ANY problem with fur, as long as it's wild-traped (sustainably!) and not raised in cages (which I do think is really wrong). And for the same reason's mentioned, there are just no man-made fibres with the same heat-rention properties.

I don't personally own anything fur, but I do know my mother has a hand-me-down beaver coat from a relative. At the time beavers had been protected because of over-hunting, well we ended up with too many beavers! They were doing serious damage to the eco-system so the government authorised a culling. I think it's a good thing that they turned those furs into something useful!

There are seriously days out here I think about making myself a nice coyote skin coat ...
(sorry, I love animals but coyotes are way over-populated in our area and cause allot of grief).

Then again I also have no issue with the seal hunt
(ducks & covers)
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post #25 of 48
11/27/09 at 2:07pm
Ugh, not PETA again. Don't even get me started on them. Glad to see there are people who do NOT support them Just ask PETA how many animals they kill
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post #26 of 48
11/27/09 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Nes View Post
I I don't actually have ANY problem with fur, as long as it's wild-traped (sustainably!) and not raised in cages (which I do think is really wrong). And for the same reason's mentioned, there are just no man-made fibres with the same heat-rention properties.
I don't have a problem with farm raised rabbit (as long as it's done cleanly and humanely) or leather from cattle. These animals are fully used. Some feeds humans, some goes to feed the very cats we keep.

To touch on the synthetic fibers a bit more. Here's a thought for everyone. Synthetic typically means petroleum product = non renewable resource that causes pollution at some/many points from it's drilling to products eventually sitting in landfills.


O/T. One of the grosses things I've ever seen was stumbling upon over a dozen porcupine corpses that had the heads and quills removed... Stupid tourists loved Native American art/jewelry and would create a big demand for it.
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post #27 of 48
11/27/09 at 5:47pm
Oops. Sorry I ment specifically mink & fox that are cage raised.

You're right I have no issue with farm-raised rabbits (actually I plan on having some one day!). Definitely have NO issue with cow-leather being used, for the amount of beef consumed every year, I really can't see how anyone could get upset!!

I can't imagine how much if it is wasted every year!!
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post #28 of 48
11/28/09 at 2:31pm
When she was growing up during WWII, my mom had rabbits. They were used for food and for their fur.. When I was a kid, we also had rabbits. To this day, I cannot eat rabbit! I hate the stuff! Yuck. We also had chickens, both for their eggs and for eating. Now I do love chicken! I don't think it is right to kill an animal just for their fur.

I didn't know that the fur lined gloves from China were made with cat fur! I thought it was rabbit fur!
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post #29 of 48
11/28/09 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
That may be, but I'm still going to agree that it isn't OK to use cats to line gloves.
I sooooooo agree with you on this!! (I'll stay out of the rest of the debate, because I'm so about the ethical treatment of animals.)
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post #30 of 48
11/28/09 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by Catkiki View Post
I didn't know that the fur lined gloves from China were made with cat fur! I thought it was rabbit fur!
I'm going to bet a large majority of it shipped over here for sell is rabbit fur. But like many other products, some things slip by. While not exactly unethical by their standards (cats and dogs are a food animal there - like pigs, cattle, and chicken are here, it's just "using all the parts". ), it's wrong for them to misrepresent yet another product. At least this isn't poisoning people and other animals, though... More needs to be done to stop dangerous products coming from China.
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