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post #31 of 43
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If I can eventually kiss him on top of the head that will be good enough. But sleeping with a cat that you can't hug...i'd be afraid that I would roll over on top of a wild cat, yikes. Come sleeping times our cats always go to their sleeping quarters.

Tabby is pretty out going and I think it's going to be an interesting journey. It has been so far.
post #32 of 43
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If I can eventually kiss him on top of the head that will be good enough. But sleeping with a cat that you can't hug...i'd be afraid that I would roll over on top of a wild cat, yikes. Come sleeping times our cats always go to their sleeping quarters.

Tabby is pretty out going and I think it's going to be an interesting journey. It has been so far.
I don't think I'm in any danger. Spencer loves me, he's just a little iffy about being restrained.

I am currently working on the forehead kiss. Heather won't let my face near her body, at all. Spencer, well, I'm happy to say this morning was actually the first time I made contact. He bounced up and backed off a couple of steps afterward, but that's some serious progress for the little guy.
post #33 of 43
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Just a teeny, tiny caution for you, Pete. Depending on the cat's age (how old is he, anyway?) and personality, he may not ever allow a hug.
I'm not to sure how old Tabby is. I first saw him 20 months ago. I fed him for about a month and then he disappeard for the summer and winter. Then he showed up this spring and I fed him all summer until capture. I would think he is at least three years old and pretty out going.

Come to think of it, if he doesn't let me hug him i'll sleep in his cage until he will. Can't help love the guy.
post #34 of 43
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I'm not to sure how old Tabby is. I first saw him 20 months ago. I fed him for about a month and then he disappeard for the summer and winter. Then he showed up this spring and I fed him all summer until capture. I would think he is at least three years old and pretty out going.

Come to think of it, if he doesn't let me hug him i'll sleep in his cage until he will. Can't help love the guy.
Awh, Pete, that's so sweet!!! <<<Hugs>>> for being such a good guy!
post #35 of 43
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I don't think I'm in any danger. Spencer loves me, he's just a little iffy about being restrained.

I am currently working on the forehead kiss. Heather won't let my face near her body, at all. Spencer, well, I'm happy to say this morning was actually the first time I made contact. He bounced up and backed off a couple of steps afterward, but that's some serious progress for the little guy.
Sounds like you are coming along nicely with your kitties. I don't have any real experience with a feral cat. Tiger was a pretty shy stray. Took me 4-months to tame him enough to come into the house. In the begining he would head for the bushes if I would come on the deck while he was eating. Tabby always eat after dark and I had to capture him in the outside run. He is a completely different cat. He had pretty much reverted back to the wild.

He's coming back nicely and I hope by spring I can let him out in the outside enclosed run. It's funny that he shows no sign that he wants to escape or go outside. I kept his cage window to the outside boarded up for a couple weeks till he settled in. The other week I took the board off and he will look outside at times for a moment and then walk away. I find that strange for a cat that was so wild.

Good luck with your kitties.
post #36 of 43
OMG the kissing and hugging are so totally about the personality of the cat!

Lazlo, who was rescued at 10 weeks old, we can pick up for a couple of minutes (to get him in a carrier). He sleeps on the pillows over my head, but not "in" the bed with us. He LOVES being brushed endlessly, and loves being petted with hands for a little while - but is NOT a lap cat.

Sheldon, who was rescued at 12 weeks old, has within the last year become a lap cat. (He's almost 8 years old now). BUT he has always slept on the bed with us. He's slept curled up to me snuggled with my arm over him for the past several years - before that he slept around the end of the bed, and he'd just move if we moved around.

Flowerbelle is NOT a lap cat except in the bathroom. For some reason, she loves it there. She slept in bed with us the first month or so she was home after being rescued, but she was really ill. Now she sleeps curled up into either my knee(s) or Gary's.... but again, she just gets up if we start moving around, waits until we're done, and then lies back down. She started doing this around age 2, and she just turned 6 years old. She JUST started letting us pet her. She, however, LOVED to lick our hands any time we went to pet her. I guess she preferred to do the petting. All of that said, she purred 100% of the time (except when asleep) for the first 4-5 years. Now she purrs about 75 - 80% of the time. She's just happy to be alive.

Spooky LOVES being brushed and cuddled - but she's not in love with being on our laps. She likes to be squished up next to us. She sleeps inbetween us, but if Gary starts to roll over on her, she just bolts.

Tuxedo loves sleeping in the bed when we're not in it. He is also a feral rescue (1 year old when we brought him in) and is also almost 8 years old. He LOVES being petted though. His problem - which will likely be your Tabby's problem - is that he got overstimulated very easily. He could stand exactly one pet with a hand on the cheek at first. This slowly grew to two, then three - and after a couple of years, he could just stand there forever as long as we pet one side and then the other side, back and forth. He is the first feral rescue we did "right" - meaning with the guidance of people on this board. We waited for him to do the headbump before trying to pet or brush him or anything. And he is the most expressively loving cat we have. He doesn't mind being kissed, he doesn't mind being held for a few minutes, and though he doesn't sleep with us and isn't a lap cat - he LOVES lying on the upper shelf of the cat tree (head height), rolling around on his back, grabbing our heads and rubbing his head all over ours. You just LOOK at that cat and he purrs.

Ming Loy, on the other hand, was rescued young, but had to stay at the vet until we were sure she wasn't bringing anything home because one of our kitties has a compromised immune system. She was just relieved to be out of the vet, so she was just always insanely happy. But she never was that interested in us (other than for food), and we were fine with that. She LOVED playing, so that's what we did with her. When she'd just turned 3 years old, I was sitting on the floor with a wand toy playing wiht her, and she waddled over (she's handicapped) and just plopped in my lap. And that's what she does. God forbid one of us picks her up and puts her in a lap - she's out of there in a flash. But if she wants in a lap, it doesn't matter what's going on or what's there (especially a lap top) - she just barrels her way in. She loves sleeping squished between our legs at the end of the bed - though if Gary's thrashing around too much, she will relocate to my other side.

Billy was about 2 years old when we rescued him. He'd been exposed to people in a good way, but he socialized faster than any other cat we'd ever rescued. HE is a TOTAL lap cat. He sleeps smashed up next to me, he sleeps on my head, he loves being held like a baby on his back, he loves having his tummy rubbed, he loves being kissed and kisses back.... he headbumps us all the time - he LOVES it when I "pet" him with my head. I started doing this because he was VERY close to his brother, and we just couldn't place them together - it was getting cold, so in he came. He is VERY cat friendly - and ours thought he was an alien. So since he was trying to headbump all of our kitties on the head, I started putting my head down and headbumping HIM. He'd then do that arched back rub... so I just started moving my head down his body - basically "petting" him with my head. He LOVES it - but it had the added bonus of getting him used to having our faces in his face - and now he just walks up onto our laps, stretches up, and rubs his cheek on our cheeks. Talk about melting your heart.

So.... what they're into is just SO depending upon their personalities to begin with... but I think the way things get introduced - and when - can play a role in what they're willing to accept.
post #37 of 43
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If I can eventually kiss him on top of the head that will be good enough.
I know that feeling so well!

It took about 2 years for my Ferris to let me give him a kiss on the top of his head. The wait was worth it.

He didn't come near me for about the first 6 months - but he went to my male roommate. After having his long, matted fur shaved when he was almost a year old (a lion cut) he learned that he liked the feeling of my hands on his skin. As his coat grew back in, he got more and more trusting of my touch. I can even brush his belly now. Sometimes. When he lets me.

He's still very feral at times, but I pay close attention to his body language and always act appropriately based on the cues he gives me. It takes a long time, sometimes, for small things to happen, like a kiss on the head, but when they do, it's just that much more rewarding.
post #38 of 43
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...and now he just walks up onto our laps, stretches up, and rubs his cheek on our cheeks. Talk about melting your heart...
Well, just color me jealous. I'm now going to start working on Allen and Spencer to see if I can either of them to do this!
post #39 of 43
Keep at it, Never say never ...

I have two ladies under my roof both born feral ... One came with some socializing and was appox 9 months .... She climbed doorframes for over a year and the only time she was "tame " was at the vet as she was Extremely scared.Note I did NOT know what feral meant at the beginning.. Zoey is now the house greeter , she bets the dog to the door to say hi and you had better ackowledge her or she may go feral on your legs ... took nearly 3 yrs till I could hold her at home for accross a room, it is still at year 5 a countdown( I have 10-15 seconds ) to move her ...
Dahlia was caught at 4 months and not released do to a uri ... She was then "housed" in an open cage shelter with NO human socialization for four yrs ... Well a year ago I got her ... Today I can pick her up , carry her ( another 10-15 second girl) , clip her nails, she sits next to me and lays on my legs ...

My motto is you put in the work time and they will come around....
post #40 of 43
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LDG,
That's quit a story. WOW! you guys are real cat people. All of them sleeping in your bed. Well, that's being one with your cats and it sure pays off big dividens .

Tiger is like your Billy. We can do anything with him. He loves to be scratched all over 24/7. One thing he doesn't do is rub against my leg. But I can reach down with my hand and he will rub against it. He just wants to be rubbed. It's like he has an itch that can never be satified. Although he does have a food allergy and needs to eat the Z/d feline vet food($5.00 per pound) or he will scratch till he draws blood and wears patches in his fur. He gives 5-times the love back though. He just wants to be held all the time or if he is outside he follows me everywhere like a puppy dog.

You have a nice bunch of cats. Seven must keep you busy. They all sound really nice with all different personalities. Feeding and cleaning all the litter got to keep you busy. I got my hands full with just the two cats..

I can see that Tabby is going to be a challenge. He is probably at least 3-years old and pretty out going. He came out of his hide box when I changed his water late this afternoon. I think he thought it might be food. But he did take a long drink and then laid in the middle of the cage. That wa the first time for the drinking with me there. I can now walk close in front of his cage back and forth when he is laying there and he won't go back into his hide box. He won't come out of his hide box for me unless I feed him and now give him water. I'm thinking maybe mid day give him a treat to get him to come out of his cage to me. He does use the littter box during the day and that's down in the lower level from his hide box. I removed the other one because it was taking too much room in front of his cage window.

I remember reading that some feral cats don't pee and poo in the same litter box but Tabby always did so it was no biggy for him. I clean it out twice a day though and I bought the real big ones.

I think Tabby is starting to own the cage now. I would never stick my hand in his hide box in fear it would come out all bloody. Now I have to watch where he is before I open the cage door to give him water or feed him. I had the water bowl next to the door and when I took his dirty food bowl out to clean it he thought I was going to feed him, and he saw my hand move closing the latch and he spit and hit the door with his paw.

I'm thinking to feed him a couple feet from the door opening and use a hand held screen in the doorway in case he wants to get too close. I'm standing on a stool at head high at his level, it could get a little scary if he comes at me. I'm sure he wouldn't tolerate me putting my hand any place close to him right now. Right now he doesn't like anything moving in front of him or he will strick at it. He openly plays with his catnip mouse toy, the cones he hasn't touched in a couple days. Last nite he moved the mouse toy.

In the back yard by my garden I have alot of catnip so he was used to that before he was captured. He ate the first piece of catnip when I gave him some in the cage.

Thanks for the nice discription of all your cats, it's interesting how different their personalities are and the things they do and won't let you do.
post #41 of 43
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I know that feeling so well!

It took about 2 years for my Ferris to let me give him a kiss on the top of his head. The wait was worth it.

He didn't come near me for about the first 6 months - but he went to my male roommate. After having his long, matted fur shaved when he was almost a year old (a lion cut) he learned that he liked the feeling of my hands on his skin. As his coat grew back in, he got more and more trusting of my touch. I can even brush his belly now. Sometimes. When he lets me.

He's still very feral at times, but I pay close attention to his body language and always act appropriately based on the cues he gives me. It takes a long time, sometimes, for small things to happen, like a kiss on the head, but when they do, it's just that much more rewarding.
Yeah, sometimes you just want to squeeze and kiss your cat but he is too scared and wild to let you. It is a little frustrating at times. I thing i'm going to try keeping the cage door open when I feed him and put his bowl a couple feet away and see what happens. I don't want to get to close and put him on the defensive.

It's funny, he use to hiss at me when I would approach his cage, now he just moves his mouth up and down like hissing but nothing comes out. He is slowly changing for the better. I know he if fighting the balance between trust and fear. But slowly his trust is starting to out-weigh his fear.

Thanks for the insight, it's very helpful hearing about other cats and how they in time tamed down to be loving kitties.
post #42 of 43
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Well, just color me jealous. I'm now going to start working on Allen and Spencer to see if I can either of them to do this!
That's the frosting on the cake...nice and sweet.
post #43 of 43
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Keep at it, Never say never ...

I have two ladies under my roof both born feral ... One came with some socializing and was appox 9 months .... She climbed doorframes for over a year and the only time she was "tame " was at the vet as she was Extremely scared.Note I did NOT know what feral meant at the beginning.. Zoey is now the house greeter , she bets the dog to the door to say hi and you had better ackowledge her or she may go feral on your legs ... took nearly 3 yrs till I could hold her at home for accross a room, it is still at year 5 a countdown( I have 10-15 seconds ) to move her ...
Dahlia was caught at 4 months and not released do to a uri ... She was then "housed" in an open cage shelter with NO human socialization for four yrs ... Well a year ago I got her ... Today I can pick her up , carry her ( another 10-15 second girl) , clip her nails, she sits next to me and lays on my legs ...

My motto is you put in the work time and they will come around....
Thanks for the encouragement, Tabby's coming alone slow but sure. Yes you are right it does take alot of time and patience to get kittie to trust and get socialized. I'm hoping by spring we will be holding hands(paws).
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