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Climategate, Final Nail in the Coffin

post #1 of 14
11/20/09 at 8:08pm
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/

'Anthropogenic Global Warming'

Kudo's to the hackers for revealing what most of us already knew.



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[If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:
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post #2 of 14
11/21/09 at 10:02am
Since the Telegraph is a right wing newspaper, here's the left wing Guardian's take on it, to give an alternative view point.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-email-hacking


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More importantly, these skeptics have not overturned the well-established basic physics of the greenhouse effect, namely that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and increasing its concentration in the atmosphere causes the earth to warm. They also have not managed to make melting glaciers and rising sea levels, or any other evidence of warming, disappear into thin air. But they have managed to confuse some of the public about the causes of climate change.
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post #3 of 14
11/21/09 at 10:16am
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I think many people have a very over inflated sense of man's power over the earth and climate.

This stuff that these guys swear is man caused has happened in cycles for millenia.

I do believe we need to reduce are carbon emissions and we need to save the rain forest, but I do NOT believe that it is the dire emergency that they claim it is. (The rain forest IS an emergency and no one seems to care about that)

Those guys are skewing results to fit their agenda. No doubt about it.

But the kicker for me is: they will brook no dissent, they will not debate, they say it is a done deal and will not debate with anyone, let alone fellow scientists. What does that say to YOU?
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post #4 of 14
11/21/09 at 12:58pm
Who else is old enough to remember the "global cooling" scare of the 1970s?
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As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.
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Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend. The University of Wisconsin's Reid A. Bryson and other climatologists suggest that dust and other particles released into the atmosphere as a result of farming and fuel burning may be blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the surface of the earth.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4914-1,00.html

I do wish the climatologists would make up their minds as to whether we are in for another Ice Age or if we are going to have palm trees here in New England. In the grand scheme of things, 30-50 years isn't that much and I wonder if they aren't trying to interpret data that is in fact noise.
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post #5 of 14
11/21/09 at 2:57pm
Then you see news like this that just make you wonder:

NOAA October stats

Last month was the 3rd coldest on record (since they started keeping accurate national records in 1895) in the U.S., and one of the rainiest ever.
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post #6 of 14
11/21/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Then you see news like this that just make you wonder:

NOAA October stats

Last month was the 3rd coldest on record (since they started keeping accurate national records in 1895) in the U.S., and one of the rainiest ever.
We should also note that many areas had a very cool summer as well, including my home state.
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post #7 of 14
11/21/09 at 6:48pm
I have been watching this nonsense for years now, and yes, I remember the impending ice age warnings from the 70's. While I DO agree that we MUST take care of the earth and its resources, I have serious reservations about the CO2 'science' that is being tossed around like jackstraws: if we don't stop producing CO2 plant life will die; CO2 is forming a layer and we will cook, and on and on.

I can assure everyone that WITHOUT CO2, plant life will die, and do it quickly; even an ammature greenhouse operator can tell you that. When plants photosynthesise, they use CO2, and under glass, the lack of CO2 is quickly evident by oddly coloured leaves and misshapen plants, and giddy employees from the oxygen high. Plants use CO2 so well, greenhouses have to use CO2 generators to ensure growth of the product (and not THAT product, talking cabbages and flowers). An atmosphere too rich in oxygen makes you giddy at best, and at worst, over time, may lead to inefficient lung function, similar to COPD. What these psuedo-scientists forget is that anything with lungs or some form of oxygen transfer exhales or exudes CO2, and plants, being nice and helpful, take up that and turn it back to oxygen - basic biology.

Check out this site - http://friendsofscience.org/
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post #8 of 14
11/21/09 at 6:59pm
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IMO, they should be pushing population reduction. There are to many people on this planet. But, oh no, they won't do that, it is not PC. Hypocrites.
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post #9 of 14
11/21/09 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
IMO, they should be pushing population reduction. There are too many people on this planet. But, oh no, they won't do that, it is not PC. Hypocrites.
I agree. Instead, you have a lot of industrialized countries despairing over declining birth rates because they're worried about retirement benefit financing or "foreign infiltration".
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post #10 of 14
11/22/09 at 7:51am
One thing that really concerns me is the issue of glacial retreat; I've seen references to the notion that the build-up and retreat of glaciers is a cyclical thing, but it doesn't seem anyone knows anything for certain. It seems pretty apparent that much of what was there isn't there anymore, but is it coming back?
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post #11 of 14
11/22/09 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think many people have a very over inflated sense of man's power over the earth and climate.

This stuff that these guys swear is man caused has happened in cycles for millenia.

I do believe we need to reduce are carbon emissions and we need to save the rain forest, but I do NOT believe that it is the dire emergency that they claim it is. (The rain forest IS an emergency and no one seems to care about that)

Those guys are skewing results to fit their agenda. No doubt about it.

But the kicker for me is: they will brook no dissent, they will not debate, they say it is a done deal and will not debate with anyone, let alone fellow scientists. What does that say to YOU?
I couldn't agree with you more! I am all in favor of taking care of our planet and recycling and conserving wherever possible, but the whole global warming impending disaster is more about Gore & Co. making money than it is about saving the planet.
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post #12 of 14
11/22/09 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I couldn't agree with you more! I am all in favor of taking care of our planet and recycling and conserving wherever possible, but the whole global warming impending disaster is more about Gore & Co. making money than it is about saving the planet.
Does that mean, then, that you think "Gore & Co." are exploiting a very real issue, or fabricating a nonexistent one?
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post #13 of 14
11/23/09 at 1:50pm
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Senator Inhofe says he will call for an investigation regarding this matter.


http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c..._id=&Issue_id=

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"I am a U.S. Senator, and a former mayor and businessman. I am not a scientist. But I do understand politics. And the more I have delved into the issue, the more convinced I have become that science is being co-opted by those who care more about peddling fear of gloom and doom to further their own, broader agendas than they do about scientific integrity.

I am committed to shining a light on their activities. Global warming alarmists will undoubtedly continue to accuse me of attacking the science of global warming – that is part of their game. But nothing could be further from the truth. I support and defend credible, objective science by exposing the corrupting influences that would subvert it for political purposes. Good policy must be based on good science, and that requires science be free of bias, whatever its conclusions. "
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...hange-research

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In an interview with The Washington Times on Monday, Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) announced he would probe whether the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "cooked the science to make this thing look as if the science was settled, when all the time of course we knew it was not."

"[T]his thing is serious, you think about the literally millions of dollars that have been thrown away on some of this stuff that they came out with," Inhofe, the ranking member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, said during the interview.
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post #14 of 14
11/27/09 at 9:34am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8379305.stm

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The BBC has discovered that hundreds of millions of pounds promised to developing countries to help them tackle climate change cannot be accounted for.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8376009.stm

Is THIS true?

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UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has accused industrialised countries of failing to keep their promise.
OR is THIS true?

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The EU says the money was paid out in bilateral deals, but admits it cannot provide data to prove it.
Sooooo, this is what many people think that THIS country should do, pay into this bottomless pit?

What a crock. Someone is getting rich off this scam and it is happening in this country with all this LEED certification scam. Why people refuse to see this amazes me.
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