Never had a doubt

Numerous Christian organizations, apparently fearful that they won't be allowed to dictate laws anymore, merely decide to announce they they are above the law.

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=31736

When they seem to have the idea that it puts them above the law, yes. Numerous times over the years concerning the gay marriage debates, a common statement from the anti-gay groups has been "it's the law, so deal with it". Yet, when it looks like the tide is turning, they then decide that the law doesn't apply...at least, not to them. Laws are only for everyone else.

There is no problem. In fact, there is appreciation that these groups finally ponied up and admitted their elitism. Their opinion that laws supporting their stance have to be "lived with", yet they consider themselves free to ignore any that do not, clearly demonstrate their view that they are superior to "everyone else".

Yes, I am familiar with it. That is what the white christian male power structure was doing in the southern US states when they refused to comply with civil rights legislation during the civil rights era. It is also what that same demographic responded to with water cannon, batton, attack dogs, imprisonment, lynching, and the early form of "drive by". But now, they wish to promote that same behavior within their own ranks, and will no doubt whine "persecution" if it is so much as complained about.

And now, this group seems to be eager to rewrite history in that aspect. (And here I was lead to think that rewriting history was a bad thing )

It's true that many of the civil rights activists were Christians, just as they said. There were also a great many that were not, but will probably be forever unknown. I know one witch that participated in the marches, and as she puts it; "the only thing they hated worse that a black baptist was a white witch". And, they seem to have left out the part that most, if not all the people violently resisting civil rights were conservative Christians. They also seem a tad bit confused as to what side of that little argument their desire to oppress the freedom and equal rights of others puts them. The fact that same segment of conservative Christians that attempted to beat down the civil rights movement with their "<blank> is ours, and they aren't worthy in the eyes of god" attitudes are now claiming to be the heros of that same movement, is to me, a bit disgusting; but, not the least bit unexpected. But hey, freedom of speech and all that.

Like I said before, there's no big deal. Merely amusment at them trying to incite their followers into the very same action they were killing people for only a few decades ago. But it's hardly surprising actually, seeing as they have adopted bold faced lies and bearing false witness as prefered tactics during the gay marriage campaigns.

But then again, does one still commit a sin if they simply pay a mercenary propagandist to do it on their behalf? One of those things that make you go; "hmmm".

Then again, I think the part that is probably bothering me on a personal level is these people comparing themselves to Martin Luther King and civil rights marchers. They have this entirely screwed up idea that "MLK=hero...MLK=christian...Us=christians...Us=heroes". Well, that is entirely, completely, totally wrong. MLK marched and stood against the conservative white christian male power structure, the very demographic this self absorbed cadre represents.

But, I suppose I could look at the bright side...25 years from now, when gay marriage is legal, they will probably claim that it was their idea too.

You'd probably best be served just downloading the PDF of the statement itself, it's far more telling that any of the news articles. It's a genuine manifesto, full of the same lies their mercenary propagandists are using in their gay hating campaigns.

http://manhattandeclaration.org/decd...eclaration.pdf

Actually, encouraging people to ignore any future laws they disagree with is exactly that. But you are right, no current law, nor any in the works, make any attempt to tell churches who they shall or shall not serve. The entire manifesto is simply one more vehicle for them to spread their "teach your kids to be gay" bold faced lie. It fascinates me how many violations they are downright eager to commit themselves on their list of sins in order to address a single one they just happen to hate more than the others.

Everything I've mentioned is worded into their declaration, to include insisting that christians simply ignore any future laws they disagree with. http://manhattandeclaration.org/decd...eclaration.pdf. I can see however how someone that might agree with them could simply read over it with an "it's just the truth" attitude and completely miss it.

The ending of the declaration, where they compare themselves to Martin Luther King, while seeking to oppress others, is particularly disgusting. He sought the freedom and equality of all, the complete opposite of what these people promote.

Quid Pro Quo, not at all sure what this is getting at? The conservative christians were indeed at the marches. They were the one's with the water cannons, attack dogs, batons, thug squads, etc that were intent on not letting "those people" have anything they considered to be their own exclusively.

During the civil rights era, none of the churches that supported the civil rights movement were considered conservative by the conservative christians. Today, you see exactly the same sentiment from one church to the next. If they don't agree, then each see's the other as "not real christians".

Most churches these days don't want to be associated with the "bad guys" from the civil rights era. They seem to now look at the "bad guys" as nondescript shadow people that didn't belong to any particular ideology. They just were, they just "existed". Now they are all gone, like banished boogie men. But they were indeed almost entirely conservative christians, and everything they stood for was "biblically approved"...then. Just as this group of declarers think their stance is "biblically approved" now. They jealously seek to keep control of something they consider theirs, just like the "bad guys"...but seem to feel that because MLK was christian, and they are christians, they makes them the "good guys" by default. That's not an issue of lingering guilt, that as issue of being in denial while repeating history.

Now, groups with the same ideology concerning others they express hatefulness towards associate themselves with the "good guys". even though they have so little in common with them.

I forsee them eventually losing this one as well, and some years in the future, claiming credit for the work of all those that stood against them. It seems to be a trend.