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post #31 of 48
11/21/09 at 11:13am
I always forget about Anne I don't see her posting as much so I don't know how active she is on a day to day basis - she probably posts more in the PL.
post #32 of 48
11/21/09 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
I've been wondering something for a while. What happens when it's the mods that are doing it or attacking people? There was a recent post that was quite bad and the OP was obviously offended. Anytime there's a declaw related thread everyone, even mods, gang up because of the strong feelings everyone one has on the subject - yet this is allowed to happen over and over again.
TCS is against declawing, which should be very obvious to anybody who reads the forum rules or articles; those who can't be bothered post about declawing at their own peril.

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3. This website considers declawing a drastic way to curb cat behavior. A painful ordeal for your kitty we would suggest that declawing never be considered for any behavioral issue. Health issues are entirely different. It is up to you as a responsible pet owner to explore all the different options available instead of declawing. Your cat is dependant on you to make wise choices for her, and not put her into any more stress or discomfort. Please be a responsible pet owner and research this subject thoroughly. Understand that if you are pro-declaw in your posts, you will encounter opposition. Please learn more about alternatives for declawing here in our forums as well as on our website itself. Declaw - More than Just a Manicure. Hopefully those of you with claw-related problems will find solutions by spending time in our Behavior Forum.
Forum Rules

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Why You Should Never Declaw

Feline onchyectomy or Declawing is a radical procedure that involves amputating the cat's toes at the first knuckle. This is an extremely painful procedure than is nothing short of mutilating the cat. Many cat experts agree that robbing the cat of one of the most natural feline behaviors can lead to serious behavior problems later on. Declawed cats are probably more prone to become biters and some of them may develop litter
problems as well.
Unfortunately there are still many vets in the United States that offer declawing as a routine procedure, along with spaying or neutering. Declawing may be routine for the vet (and quite profitable as well), but it is an unnecessary and extremely painful and traumatic for your cat. In most western countries this procedure is actually illegal. Until the law changes in the US, it is up to us as caring cat owners to remain educated and save our cats from being declawed. For more information about declawing please check Stopdeclaw.com.
Training your cat to use a scratching post may take a little bit of time and effort, but with so many products available to help you, there is really no need to resort to declawing.
Problem Scratching And How To Stop It

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Scratching is not a behavior problem. It is a natural function of a cat, and it is important to the health of their toes and nails. Physiologically, cats walk on their toes. Because of the structure of the toe and claw, declawing requires the removal of the last joint of the cat's toe. Cats use their claws for balance, jumping, climbing, self-defense, and grooming, and declawing forces your cat to walk unnaturally. There is some evidence that some declawed cats develop arthritis as a result of the unnatural posture forced upon them as a result of the declaw surgery. As cat owners/guardians, there are many steps we can take to help our cats scratch "appropriately" before considering declawing our pet.
What Is Declawing?

A cat's claw is part of the last bone in the cat's foot, called the Distal or Third Phalanx. The claw is embedded within this bone. Because of this anatomy, in order to avoid claw regrowth or abcessation (infection), the Distal Phalanx and claw are removed at the joint. This is the amputation of the third joint and claw of each toe. This procedure is completed with the use of a scalpel, a guillotine knife, or a laser.
Declawing and Alternatives
post #33 of 48
11/21/09 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
But, and maybe I'm not the only one concerned about this - What if reporting a mod or PMing them turns the person spiteful - that they take it out on the person later whenever possible. It's a common human fault not to let stuff go, to repeatedly dig at another person or outright make things difficult. When someone has some power in a social situation like a forum it can turn ugly - I know I'm not the only one to have witnessed that before due to stories others have shared.

Is anyone else ignoring stuff/refusing to speak up due to a mod or a popular member being involved?
Speaking as a mod, I'll just say that many things are discussed behind the scenes and we are accountable for our actions and replies to each other and to Anne.

Unfortunatey there will always be some folks who will resent any interference by mods and believe a certain mod doesn't like them and is out to get them for whatever reason their mind can conceive when, in fact, this is far from the truth. If a member has a problem with a particular mod, it is generally agreed that another mod will deal with that member for any future issues. There are some folks that will take offense where none was ever meant and may even possibly bad-mouth the other person via PM's and other private means - that is one side of the story but not always the only side or the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

ETA: As to being spiteful, that isn't necessarily restricted to mods.
post #34 of 48
11/21/09 at 11:24am
^Good to know it is dealt with.

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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
TCS is against declawing, which should be very obvious to anybody who reads the forum rules or articles; those who can't be bothered post about declawing at their own peril.
And flames are against forum rules, but they occur in those threads.
post #35 of 48
11/21/09 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
^Good to know it is dealt with.

And flames are against forum rules, but they occur in those threads.
And the proper response when you see flaming is to click on the "report post" button . Mods are not reading TCS posts and threads 24/7; believe it or not, we actually have real families, pets, jobs and obligations.
post #36 of 48
11/21/09 at 11:29am
Maybe the FLAME defintion should be more defined?>
post #37 of 48
11/21/09 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
I've been wondering something for a while. What happens when it's the mods that are doing it or attacking people? There was a recent post that was quite bad and the OP was obviously offended. Anytime there's a declaw related thread everyone, even mods, gain up because of the strong feelings everyone one has on the subject - yet this is allowed to happen over and over again.
At the risk of looking like the Mods are ganging up in here I'd like to respond to this as well.

I've lost my cool a few times in threads. I'm only human. When I do, I report my own post and ask the other Mods to look it over to see if I have crossed the line. If I have, I edit my post or one of the other Mods does, just like any other member.

As far as holding a grudge, I have quite a few members that hold a grudge against me for enforcing the rules on TCS. I have been called the meanest Mod ever and that was one of the nicest things. Most I can't post here. I tend to overcompensate in those situations and if I have had "issues" with a member will refrain from posting in that member's threads or dealing with that member unless it is absolutely necessary. I will normally ask another Mod to take care of the issue if it in one of my forums.

Also, when is it necessary to discipline a member, one single Mod does not make that decision ever. It has to have the majority vote of the Team. If a single Mod has a grudge against someone it is not going to make a big difference in the "vote" so to speak.

As always, if you think you are being treated unfairly by the Mods, you can always contact Anne.
post #38 of 48
11/21/09 at 12:17pm
Looks like this thread has drifted into a "mods are the bad guys" direction, when I think (correct me if I'm wrong, please, Temperpolk), the OP was meant for TCS members in general, whatever their role may be.

TCS needs to be a safe and supportive environment for everyone, posters, responders, mods AND members. We're all just people, who care about kitties.

Can we all just take a minute to review our posts for respect and clarity before we hit "submit"? If either aspect is missing, maybe that particular post should be left un-submitted. <<<hugs>>>
post #39 of 48
11/21/09 at 12:40pm
Thread Starter 
You're absolutely right Auntie Crazie!!! My original post was just a ramble about a certain feeling I got when reading through the forum as a whole. For a while, I kind of gritted my teeth at some posts I've seen off and on at the TCS and I was just commenting on it. At no time did I ever mean to single anyone out. PLEASE BELIEVE THAT! I was just expressing a concern that at times when someone posts and they are not cat savvy and they don't have the means for a trip to the vet "immediately" some of us go become very inflexible. My opinion continues to be that it's better for a cat to be cared for by a human, even if they can't afford a vet at the time, than be out there on its own. Anyway, I didn't intend for this thread to become a fight. I have had no negative experiences EVER in this forum. And let me add..... Strange Wings: keep that advice coming .... and MODS: you are the best ever!
post #40 of 48
11/21/09 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
There are some folks that will take offense where none was ever meant and may even possibly bad-mouth the other person via PM's and other private means - that is one side of the story but not always the only side or the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
That as everything in life, IMHO happens in both sides...
post #41 of 48
11/21/09 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by temperpolk View Post
MODS: you are the best ever!
I second that!!!
If anyone gets offended by anybody here why not just put that member in one's ignore list until one feels fine again.
post #42 of 48
11/21/09 at 3:07pm
You can't put mods on the ignore list.
post #43 of 48
11/21/09 at 3:09pm
Can we go back to the topic, and maybe some can open this issue about the mods, if they want in the IMO?
This in IMHO completely OT, and it has been for a while ??
post #44 of 48
11/21/09 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Can we go back to the topic, and maybe some can open this issue about the mods, if they want in the IMO?
This in IMHO completely OT, and it has been for a while ??
Actually...
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7. Please note that this site is privately owned and operated. Moderators are not paid for their services and try to make TCS a pleasant experience for everyone. With that in mind, we ask that you refrain from posting complaints and negative feedback on the public forums as we have found this to be the least constructive form of criticism. Public discussion of any Mod actions, such as thread editing, thread removal and revocation of memberships is strictly prohibited. These decisions are made privately, communicated privately to the member in question, and will not be discussed with other members. If you are not pleased with the way this site is run or have an issue with one of the team, you are welcome to contact stephanie@thecatsite.com or anne@thecatsite.com. Posting about it in the forums and threatening to leave the site will not be tolerated. Any post in violation of this rule will be edited or removed without prior notice and membership privileges may be revoked.
If someone has problem with something the moderators do or how we work, it should be discussed privately with Anne, or with the moderators ourselves - not in IMO.
post #45 of 48
11/21/09 at 3:40pm
I don't mind overzealous advice. I just ignore it until someone more practical comes along with some information.

What I don't like is when someone posts with an opening like, "We at TCS believe...so and so." I don't think anyone (at least I hope not) speaks for the whole site. And this just discourages others from posting helpful information.
post #46 of 48
11/21/09 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
Actually...


If someone has problem with something the moderators do or how we work, it should be discussed privately with Anne, or with the moderators ourselves - not in IMO.
Sorry Sarah - I take that back. My apologies, can we please go back to the topic, though, that is what I meant...
post #47 of 48
11/21/09 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by nil4664 View Post
I don't mind overzealous advice. I just ignore it until someone more practical comes along with some information.
Lol! That is some good advice. After all, emails, posts, etc. don't contain our expressions, tone of voice, so on it could just be a misread on our own part. Maybe that person I thought was "attacking" me was just telling a bad joke? Better to let it go and learn more about our cats is it not?
post #48 of 48
11/21/09 at 4:02pm
I think everything that needs to be said has been said, so I'll go ahead and close this thread.

Just remember that you can report individual posts, which the entire moderating team will see and discuss. If you're not comfortable with that, each sub-forum also has a smaller group of moderators assigned to it, so you can send a PM to just them, or whoever is online at the time. We are here to help
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