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One Show Grand?????

post #1 of 17
11/19/09 at 5:34pm
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Why do some people claim they have a "one show grand?" Technically no cat can go in as an Open (championship or alter) and have enough points/ribbons/finals to be a grand. The FIRST show is as an Open in any association.

Then the second one is where you start earning points, ribbons, etc. - so technically NO cat can be a one show grand but you can have a two show grand.

Isn't that kinda deceptive saying "one show grand"?
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post #2 of 17
11/19/09 at 5:39pm
I don't think so..

In CFA, open or kitten points don't count toward the GC title, so it's like starting from 0 points again.

If you make all your CG points in one show, then what's the harm in bragging about it?
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post #3 of 17
11/19/09 at 5:53pm
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What I meant is that the first show you pick up the winners ribbons to be a champion - you have to wait till the SECOND show to pick up points for towards the grand. If you get your required points, then you are technically a TWO show grand - not a one (because you've been in 2 shows).
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post #4 of 17
11/19/09 at 6:10pm
That is a good question.
It can be done in a 3 day TICA show though.
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post #5 of 17
11/19/09 at 6:32pm
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Yes, because each day is a separate show. Same with ACFA's 2 day shows. Jack is a 3 show Grand (if he had gotten the required finals in 2 shows, he would have been a 2 show grand).
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post #6 of 17
11/19/09 at 6:37pm
Cleo would be a grand now if the points had counted when she was a open.
She is so close but I may not be able to show her anymore.
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post #7 of 17
11/19/09 at 7:06pm
Harlequin got her TICA Grand title in one show weekend. It was a 2-day show, but I still would consider that to be one show because the show only has one name and it is not billed as two separate shows. You automatically are entered in both days of the show unless you ask for special permission to come for only one day, so I would think of that as one show.


In TICA the points are cumulative. Some of the titles require you to earn a certain number of finals after you have already earned the previous title though (for example for Double Grand you have to earn one final as a Grand.) However that isn't the case with the Grand title.
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post #8 of 17
11/19/09 at 7:25pm
The points add up very fast in TICA.
Cleo has almost enough points for a grand but not the finals.
The 3 day shows here are one club also.
They are considered one show.
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post #9 of 17
11/19/09 at 8:03pm
Here in NZ shows that are 2-3 days are classed as separate shows. They may be run by the same club but for clerical purposes it's "separate shows". For example two of my judging assignments this year were at a 2 day show - but since I had one each day it counted as 2 assignments.
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post #10 of 17
11/19/09 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Sohni View Post
I don't think so..

In CFA, open or kitten points don't count toward the GC title, so it's like starting from 0 points again.

If you make all your CG points in one show, then what's the harm in bragging about it?
That's how I've always taken the statement, and don't think it's deceptive.
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post #11 of 17
11/19/09 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post
That's how I've always taken the statement, and don't think it's deceptive.
Exactly. The cat may have also been to 12 shows as a kitten, but those points don't count either. So, maybe the cat was in 12 kitten shows, plus as many as it took to become a Champion (6 winners ribbons)... but once entered AS a Champion, if they get their points in one show.. that's one show.

I don't see the harm in stating it, it is an amazing accomplishment for a breeder and it certainly doesn't happen every day.
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post #12 of 17
11/20/09 at 3:47am
If you have a really good cat, you can easily Grand in TICA in one day, provided there are 6 rings that day and your cat finals in all six at high enough levels in each ring.

To Grand your cat in TICA, you must have a minimum of six finals from 4 different judges and have acquired at least 1000 points.

I.E. if your cat were to final in six rings and these were all-breed rings and your cat won best cat in every ring, the points for finals alone would add up to 1200 points. That's Grand right there, not even counting the color and division points won in each ring.
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post #13 of 17
11/20/09 at 5:58am
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In ACFA you need 6 finals from 6 different judges (2 in top 10 AB for championship or 2 in top 5 AB for alters) AND 16 winners ribbons - which means you cannot get them in one show - you have a minimum of two shows to be able to grand.
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post #14 of 17
11/20/09 at 6:00am
Why is it deceptive? you certainly need the right conditions to claim a one show grand - firstly, your cat needs to be a Champion or Premier. Secondly and most importantly, there needs to be enough of these (a) other champions or premiers (b) rings in a show.

If your cat is good enough and does enter the show as a new champion, with the right conditions and comes out victorious in ONE show, I would shout it out to the world (and I do!)!

I have ONE one show grand - Her name is GP Masmera Puteri Ayu, now campaigning for a Divisional Winner title and is is currently ranked 3rd in Asia....

I also have a GC that has the 3rd highest Grand points collected in one show ever in Asia...isn't that worth of bragging about?
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post #15 of 17
11/20/09 at 7:47am
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I was not looking at it the way you guys are. On a technical note - its really 2 shows (first one they get champion/premier) and the second one they get enough shows to grand.

In my mind its 2 shows, but if you want to say you granded in one show where you got all the points necessary - that's ok. If Jack were to go to the January show and get all his 75 points to grand premier, then I would just say he got all the points in one show (but not as a "one-show grand".

Maybe its just me that feels this way....
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post #16 of 17
11/20/09 at 10:15am
Harlequin actually did Grand in one day and one show, if you are only talking about getting the Grand title itself, not getting TO the Grand title (meaning, not getting from no points to Grand, but from Champion/Master to Grand.)

The two-day show we went to was her first/only TICA show, so she had no points before that weekend. The first day she had enough points for the "Master" title (Ch equivalent for HHPs) and the second day she had enough for Grand. So if you look at it in either way she still did Grand in one show (unless of course you consider each day of the 2-day show to be a separate show.)
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post #17 of 17
11/20/09 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Abymummy View Post

Isn't that worth of bragging about?
yes it is congrats Adilah
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