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New kitten...when to intro to others?

post #1 of 26
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We just got a new baby this morning...he is 2 months old, neutered, all shots (adopted from the HS).

I have 2 other kitties...Juju is 3 and Tibi is a bit over 1. When & how do I intro my kitties?

When we got Zaide (RIP) for Juju, we just let Zaide wander in the house right away....we had no issues, they were best friends right away. Same with Tibi when Zaide had passed away.

Now I am not sure if letting our new baby out with 2 bigger adult cats is the right idea? The baby is tiny. I have spend all day in our spare room with him...he has been sleeping on me, already ate wet food, and went potty in his litter box.

I guess I am just nervous to leave him alone in the room because he cries even when you aren't touching him.
post #2 of 26
He's pretty young to be left alone anyway.

We never had the room to do "proper" introductions - we live in an RV. What about letting your other kitties smell him all over you - guage their reactions - and based on that, maybe letting them in the room with you and feeding them all treats together and just seeing what happens?

Sometimes things work out without "proper" intros. They are guidelines to help kitties accept new ones into the territory - but some just never have a problem with it. And your kitties aren't so old that all the kitten energy will drive them nuts. ....and when it was little kitties like that, ours basically kind of wanted to "mother" them.

...but he should be confined to one room if you need to go to work or something - and that room should be VERY kitten proof!
post #3 of 26
A kitten that young should have no problems being introduced to resident older cats. A few weeks ago I introduced a 5 week old male to a spayed 2 year old female. He spent all of 1 night in total separated from her, next day, it was as if they had always known each other. With proper supervision, I believe that the easiest introduction is a young kitten to any resident cat. Of course, you have to consider the personalities of the resident cats and act accordingly. Good luck. Also, I would advise not to show nervousness yourself when introducing them. A calm, relaxed YOU will let your kitties know everything is alright in the world.
post #4 of 26
Personally, I'd wait till the kitten was at least 10 weeks. Surely there will be another round of kitten vacs coming up and you should always quarantine any new animal coming into your home. A couple of weeks will let you know if there are any health problems with your kitten that need to be dealt with. By then your adult cats should be smelling the kitten around a bit and hearing it so you could try moving on to introductions.

I really prefer kittens to be 3+ lbs, but I have one that wants to play and I don't trust him to be that gentle. You know your adult cats best, though.
post #5 of 26
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Thanks so much you guys! That is a relief that I can intro them now.

My kitties are acting like nothing is wrong. The sniffed under the door in our spare room for about a half an hour when I first brought the baby home, but now they could care less. They smell him on me, but aren't acting any different towards me! They were fine when I rescued a 6 month old girl kitty, so I suppose they will be find with this new baby.

My only worry is my dog. He's a 2 year old Doxie/Min Pin mix weighing in at about 12lbs. He LOVES the kitties. He likes to chase my 1 year old kitty around the house, but they always do that.....the cat ends up chasing him back. He really loves the kitties, but I've seen him play rough with Tibi (1 year old)...but Tibi plays rough with him. I'll see how Sam does with the new baby and let him know that he needs to be nice to him. Sam will just have to get supervised visits with the baby until I know he will behave. I think all the baby needs to do is show him who is boss!

I am happy we have a younger kitty now. Juju (3 years old) HATES playing like a kitten...he is a big momma's boy and just likes to relax. Tibi, however, always tries to get Juju to play and they end up getting into fights. So, I am hoping the baby will do good for us and keep Tibi from trying to play (errr...fight!) with Juju.

I'll let you all know how it goes .
post #6 of 26
Kittens can come from shelters/other homes with problems that may not be readily apparent. Ringworm, coccida/giardia, worms that weren't fully eradicated, viruses, etc...
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Kittens can come from shelters/other homes with problems that may not be readily apparent. Ringworm, coccida/giardia, worms that weren't fully eradicated, viruses, etc...
Then why are others saying it is okay to intro them? The kitten has been at the mall alone since Sunday and was taken into the HS on November 11th....wouldn't issues show up in that time frame? I already had Juju, but I had left Zaide (RIP) and Tibi around him when we got them. Then when I had my rescue/foster kitty I was told by the rescue that I only had to keep her seperated from my cats until she had her shots & testing done...but I had to check for sores in the mouth, too.
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Kittens can come from shelters/other homes with problems that may not be readily apparent. Ringworm, coccida/giardia, worms that weren't fully eradicated, viruses, etc...
Yes...of course! I got my kitten from my vet who was having an adoption stint that I noticed the day I said goodbye to Polkie. Thanks, Strange Wings for the word of caution. It is always the best advice to keep kitties separated until all health issues are resolved. My new advice is to keep them separeted until the new kitten has a full clean bill of health! But rejoice in knowing that when that happens, you should not have a problem otherwise. (except for your doggy... I have no experience introducing a cat to a dog... )
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by undergunfire View Post
Then why are others saying it is okay to intro them? The kitten has been at the mall alone since Sunday and was taken into the HS on November 11th....wouldn't issues show up in that time frame? I already had Juju, but I had left Zaide (RIP) and Tibi around him when we got them. Then when I had my rescue/foster kitty I was told by the rescue that I only had to keep her seperated from my cats until she had her shots & testing done...but I had to check for sores in the mouth, too.
Then if the kitten has had all his shots, you're good to go! INTRODUCE THEM!
post #10 of 26
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Phew! Thanks temperpolk....because I had already intro'd them after you & LDG said to go ahead.

Tibi was hissing and seemed pretty mad. Juju was hissing only when him & the baby locked eyes. The baby was hissing, but didn't seem too upset. My dog is a bit scared of the baby and the baby really didn't want him getting close. I let the kitties see him first for about 10 minutes, then let the dog into the room for about 5 minutes. I'll do some more tomorrow.

I have to head to bed soon, but I am really nervous about leaving the baby all alone in his own room. We don't have a spare bed in here. I can't lock the dog & my other kitties out of our bedroom because it wouldn't be fair to them....they sleep with us every night and I am sure would be clawing at the door all night. I know the baby is going to cry all night. He screams until you touch him...all you have to do is put him in your lap and he snuggles in.
post #11 of 26
Just for tonight until they all get to know each other's scents you could make the kitten a comfy bed of your old/dirty clothes in a small room like the bathroom (helps to calm him down if he has your scent) and close the door. He will cry for a while but eventually he will go to sleep. It's important not to change the routine with your resident friends. They should not feel like they are being displaced. So if they sleep with you, then you shouldn't change that routine. The baby will eventually learn his place in the brood. Leave him in his "nest" for a night or two and during the day let him out to socialize with the others when you are close by. You will be able in no time to gauge when you can start leaving them alone for extended periods of time.
post #12 of 26
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That sounds good, Temperpolk! I just did laundry, but luckily I still have the shirt I am wearing. I know the baby will miss me tonight & while I go to work for a few hours tomorrow....he seems so bonded to me already.

I was talking to a vet tech friend of mine who said I should get him into the vet for a fecal float, in case he as worms since he is a shelter kitty. I'll call tomorrow and see if we can get in on Saturday to have an exam. I have a free exam & dewormer certificate to use within 10 days of adoption .
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by undergunfire View Post
Then why are others saying it is okay to intro them?
Damned if I know - all you have to do is look at the health section to see countless issues people have with new fosters and new kittens/cats. Ringworm tends to be the one that causes a great bit of distress, especially after it spreads to other animals (and people) in the household and is a reoccurring topic. Coccidia and giardia can be deadly due to how bad of diarrhea they cause...
Spreading roundworms can be a pain because of how easily it is to get their eggs everywhere. Couple this with worms not always showing up in every fecal test..

Still it's common sense for any animal - from cats to fish. You don't stick them together right away. People have lost pets this way. Introductions can wait - no one is going anywhere.


Also, how could this kitten have all of it's vaccinations at that age? From what I've understood rabies shouldn't even be given till closer to 14 weeks.
post #14 of 26
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Well, whats done is done. They have already been together for a meeting since I got 2 quick responses to go ahead and do it. No one is at fault. We will deal with any issues that come, if that's the case. If shelter kitties had ringworm all the time.....I'd surely have gotten it by now because of how many times I have gone to shelters/adoption days to put endless amounts of cats...trying to find the perfect one like I found yesterday, but I never have.
post #15 of 26
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Well, whats done is done. They have already been together for a meeting since I got 2 quick responses to go ahead and do it. No one is at fault. We will deal with any issues that come, if that's the case. If shelter kitties had ringworm all the time.....I'd surely have gotten it by now because of how many times I have gone to shelters/adoption days to put endless amounts of cats...trying to find the perfect one like I found yesterday, but I never have.
Don't feel bad about intro'ing your cats..... As Laurie already posted, some people don't have the ability to quarentine their animals and really, that shouldn't stop someone from getting another animal if they have the means to care for it.

Things like ringworm aren't always visible...... cats can carry it.... You can have a cat for 2 months, then all of a sudden see a ringworm lesion. As well as ringworm spores can last in the environment for up to 18mos.... There's just some things you cannot protect against.

Good luck with your kitties I hope the intros keep going well and that your dog gets used to the new baby who I'm sure will show him who is boss.
post #16 of 26
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We took baby kitty to the vet this morning for a wellness exam. My vet said he definitely isn't any older then 8 weeks. He is 1lbs 3 oz...very tiny little guy. He checks out good, though!

I couldn't get any fresh poo this morning, so my vet gave me a container to get a sample & bring it into the office on Monday. I forgot to ask how long the testing takes. Anyone know?

My vet said that having come from an adoption center in the mall housing 7 cats tops that his chances of having the resp. infection is slimmer then if he was in the shelter around many many many cats coming day-in and day-out. He had been alone for about 3 days before I adopted him because the vet receptionist had seen my little guy at the mall and he was alone when she saw him. She wanted to adopt him when she saw him, LOL!

I called HS on Friday and they said that they dewormed him, but I don't know what they used as a dewormer.

A vet tech friend of mine said that as long as my kitties didn't get near the little kittens litter box or close to my kitten, then their chances of getting any parasites are slim. My cats haven't gotten any closer then 4-5 feet of the kitten and haven't gone near his litter box. For now we are just keeping the baby in his own room because Tibi (1 year old kitty) is pretty upset about the kitten wandering around the living room.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by undergunfire View Post
A vet tech friend of mine said that as long as my kitties didn't get near the little kittens litter box or close to my kitten, then their chances of getting any parasites are slim. My cats haven't gotten any closer then 4-5 feet of the kitten and haven't gone near his litter box. For now we are just keeping the baby in his own room because Tibi (1 year old kitty) is pretty upset about the kitten wandering around the living room.
That tends to be the one of the main problems. Just watch your adult kitties - mine claim territory/dominance by pooping in a litter box that isn't theirs. Your's may attempt to sneak in.

I'm glad to know the kitten does have his own room for now.

As for the fecal - usually a vet should be able to get a sample um...directly (there's no other polite way to say that). Tapes are usually easier to get rid of, but roundworms can be difficult because the eggs can be spread everywhere - and as another member can tell you, some areas have worms resistant to some dewormers. Though the staff cleaning cages and litter boxes probably do their best, you can't guarantee they got everything.
Deworming one pet isn't so bad. But taking multiple ones in at once can be daunting and expensive - I really wanted to spare you from that.
post #18 of 26
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For now the kitten stays in his room. I'm sure by the time the fecal test results get to me, Tibi should be used to the baby's smells & sounds by now. Maybe I'm a sucker....but I love my little Tibs and don't want him being so upset right now. I've been giving him extra attention and talking to him outside by the door of the rooom where the kitten is.

The kittens litter box is so tiny that I don't think my cats could even try to potty in it, lol. Its a tupper ware container....the kitten really is very small!
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by undergunfire View Post
The kittens litter box is so tiny that I don't think my cats could even try to potty in it, lol. Its a tupper ware container....the kitten really is very small!
Look in the care and grooming section - there's posts of kitties trying to climb into litter bags to use them! I've had that happen in the past. I have one who apparently does not realize he's a big kitty, he'll try anything if his mind is set to it.

And you're not a sucker. You've had Tibi longer, he's still your baby.

Cat intros take time. Some cats put up a huge fuss at first, but are ultimately more accepting in the end. Just have patience and take things slow.
post #20 of 26
Strange wings is right, kitties can pass on health problems to other kitties. But my advice was based on the OPs comments that kitty had been neutered and received (at least a first round) of vaccinations - so has been to a vet.

To the OP, if you ever rescue a kitty off the street, it should be isolated until seen by a vet, and at least dewormed and de-flead, and then give it a few days to see if anything flares up.

As to parasites, dewormers have to be given more than once. Tapeworm can be treated wtih one treatment - round worm, a very common internal parasite, cannot be treated with one treatment. The treatment only kills the adult worms, so it has to be administered again within two or three weeks (different vets use different guidelines. Ours has us wait three weeks) in order to take into consideration the life cycle of the worm.

The fecal float takes about two minutes. They look at the poop under a microscope and they can see whether there are issues or not. You can ask them to check for giardia - most vets have to send out to a lab to have this done, so results aren't back for a day (or two or three, depending upon your location).
post #21 of 26
^ I think there's a snap for giardia? - yes, there is. I don't know exactly how accurate that is since other types of snap tests aren't 100%.


I guess I'm just not very trusting or I've seen too many come on here with issues on new cats. Both, probably.
Better safe than sorry is my motto.
post #22 of 26
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Wow....$43 for 2 minutes under a microscope? I wish they would knock $20 off the price because I am doing half the work of picking it out of the litter box with the little shovel thing .

Is it just me or does the fees at the HS seem a bit confusing? I mean, I know it takes money to get an animal in better health/speutered/all shots....but it was $95 to adopt my kitten and he still needs 2 more shots at $24 total, needed $43 for a fecal float, and then meds if he does have worms. The cats at the shelter are $50 to adopt and I am sure they need to speuter & give shots & testing to more then half of them. I guess it doesn't make much sense to me. I'm not really complaining about the price....but if I didn't have this forum I'd be "in trouble" with all of this extra stuff that I didn't know I had to get done.

Thank you so much for telling me more about the fecal testing. I am fostering my irrisponsible MIL's cat for the next 3 years (she's moving to WI and can't take him). He is 3 years old, never has had a shot & hasn't been neutered....outside most of the time. She is stubborn and doesn't listen to anything I've said over the past years about getting him neutered. I do feel bad, like I should have taken him to get it done, but we just recently got the HS's spay & neuter clinic built....$85 for neuter and all shots & testing. It cost $250 plus at a vets for all of that before. I just had MY own pets to think about before someone else's...ya know?

So...I am taking the cat to get neutered, tested, and all shots done on Dec. 3rd. If you guys hadn't have told me about the fecal testing....I never would have known. He technically is "off the streets" so to say, so I want to be sure he is totally healthy before I let him around my babies. I'll now be having the MIL pay for the fecal testing & everything for HER cat. If the cat checks out positive for aids/luk/whatever....then we will have to find him another foster home with positive kitties, as I won't be able to care for him.

Our new little guy came at the wrong time, so to say. We move house in 2 weeks, so my cats need to get used to a new kitten, a new house, and then possibly my MIL's cat. I hope we get through this okay!
post #23 of 26
Moving isn't necessarily a bad timing thing. It is stressful, but because no one will have "staked out territories," so to speak, it may actually help with the introductions.

We moved twice with our cats. 6 of our 7 are scaredy cats - here's what we did to minimize the stress.

1) BUY FELIWAY SPRAY. This is a hormone that mimics the friendly markers in cats' cheeks and helps reduce stress.
2) Have all the bedroom stuff moved in first.
3) Put your cats beds and toys in the bedroom, get litter boxes, water and food set up.
4) Spray the Feliway around - but not near litter boxes.
5) Take the sheets off your old bed and put them in a pile somewhere in the new bedroom (familiar scent).
6) Make sure kitties have places to hide (like under the bed). Our bed didn't have an "under the bed" (platform bed with drawers) - they had a chest to hide under.
7) Release kitties into bedroom.
8) Leave and close the door and DO NOT OPEN IT and make sure NO ONE opens it until the rest of the move is complete.

Too many people have scared cats bolt out an accidentally open door when they move.

Also, start telling them now you're moving and they're going to LOVE their new home. Talking to them and preparing them helps.

....as to the costs.... every one of our cats was a feral rescue, so I have no idea how much it costs to adopt a cat. I do know it is very expensive to rescue one. We have to pay for the vet visit, the medicines - at the very least, flea/tick/deworming meds, the shots, the spay/neuter.... when we adopt out a rescued kitty, we charge an adoption fee of about $75, and we're in the hole several hundred dollars.
post #24 of 26
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....as to the costs.... every one of our cats was a feral rescue, so I have no idea how much it costs to adopt a cat. I do know it is very expensive to rescue one. We have to pay for the vet visit, the medicines - at the very least, flea/tick/deworming meds, the shots, the spay/neuter.... when we adopt out a rescued kitty, we charge an adoption fee of about $75, and we're in the hole several hundred dollars.
I've spent $70 per kitten roughly so far and they haven't had their rabies vacs yet. And thats with only a $14 office charge for each visit - some charge much more. I'm not looking forward to spay and neuters if all three stay with us (I'll have to convince the vet to at least neuter the male younger), oh well.

Taking in adult cats, which always have something else wrong with them, usually costs me about $300 per cat.

That said, $43 does sound high for a fecal test on one cat. That's $12-15 here. But the cost of living is lower where I live.
post #25 of 26
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I got a call from my vet today saying that Quil's fecal test results came back okay .
post #26 of 26
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Now he is sneezing . I'm pretty mad at the HS through this whole experience. This is the first time I have gotten a cat from them....I always have went to our local cat rescue. I know pets cost money, but they were supposed to have everything "covered" in the adoption fee. Quil came with 30 days worth of pet insurance, but the deductible is $75.....so its barely worth it.

Hopefully my vet can get us in today when I get off of work .

ETA: Now I am reading on the forum some signs of URI and Quil doesn't have any besides some sneezing. His sneezing started when I let him out of his room yesterday. Could it be the other pet hair, hay from the bunnies, dust, etc in the main part of the house? He is still very playful, huuuuuuge appetite, no discharge at all. He just sneezes randomly, sometimes twice in a row.
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