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post #1 of 78
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Say what?

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A government task force said Monday that most women don't need mammograms in their 40s and should get one every two years starting at 50 — a stunning reversal and a break with the American Cancer Society's long-standing position. What's more, the panel said breast self-exams do no good, and women shouldn't be taught to do them.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575371,00.html

Yes, here is it - the government has decided that what getting a mammogram starting at age 40 isn't worthwhile, you should wait until you're 50. Oh yes, and don't bother with yearly scans; every-other year is fine too. Oh, and self exams aren't actually productive either. Too many false positives.

Sad to say, but my first gut reaction was: Is this the beginning of "rationed healthcare"? Is this how they are going to cut down on health care costs?

It makes no sense to me to change the recommendations when so many lives have been saved by early detection. Who has really been detrimentally injured by playing it safe?
post #2 of 78
That's how it is here now. Once you turn 50 they call you for one, then every 3 years after that.

I asked why that was and why we didn't do them every year like the US, and was told that they don't like giving out too much radiation even though it's low. If i wanted i could go private and pay to have one every year, or if i was worried the NHS would give me one, but i'm happy with the way we do it
post #3 of 78
I've never believed in being radiated unnecessarily. Most medical personnel do not understand the physics behind x-rays and I do not trust them to keep their devices running properly.

More importantly the benefit / risk analysis speaks against yearly mammograms.
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Is mammography an effective tool for detecting tumors? Some critics say no. In a Swedish study of 60,000 women, 70 percent of the mammographically detected tumors weren't tumors at all. These "false positives" aren't just financial and emotional strains, they may also lead to many unnecessary and invasive biopsies. In fact, 70 to 80 percent of all positive mammograms do not, upon biopsy, show any presence of cancer.

At the same time, mammograms also have a high rate of missed tumors, or "false negatives." Dr. Samuel S. Epstein, in his book, The Politics Of Cancer, claims that in women ages 40 to 49, one in four instances of cancer is missed at each mammography. The National Cancer Institute (NCI) puts the false negative rate even higher at 40 percent among women ages 40-49. National Institutes of Health spokespeople also admit that mammograms miss 10 percent of malignant tumors in women over 50. Researchers have found that breast tissue is denser among younger women, making it difficult to detect tumors. For this reason, false negatives are twice as likely to occur in premenopausal mammograms.
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Since mammographic screening was introduced, the incidence of a form of breast cancer called ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) has increased by 328 percent. Two hundred percent of this increase is allegedly due to mammography. In addition to harmful radiation, mammography may also help spread existing cancer cells due to the considerable pressure placed on the woman's breast during the procedure. According to some health practitioners, this compression could cause existing cancer cells to metastasize from the breast tissue.
http://www.naturalnews.com/010886_ca...mmography.html

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It's interesting how mammograms can be found to provide absolutely no benefit in terms of survival rate, yet they are the"standard of care" of mainstream medicine. "Quackbusters" like Stephen Barrett love to jump on alternative medical treatments as being essentially worthless, yet I don't hear him referring to the thousands of mainstream doctors ordering mammograms as "quacks". If this same exact study had produced similar findings for an alternative practice such as chelation, he and the government would be striving to shut down alternative medical practices across the country.
http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/mammograms.htm
post #4 of 78
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But the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, a government panel of doctors and scientists, concluded that such early and frequent screenings often lead to false alarms and unneeded biopsies, without substantially improving women's odds of survival.
Now we have two different quidelines. This doesn't make any sense to me and it's going to cause a lot of confusion.

For one thing, if a doctor is doing a biopsie on someone, there has to be some indication that it's needed. If a problem is detected and an ultrasound doesn't allow the doctor to make a definite diagnosis of whether or not cancer has been found then a biopsie would seem to be the next logical step.

This task force has also decided self exams aren't effective. I have to wonder if they are saying this because a digital mammogram can detect cancer so much sooner than a regular self exam. I have heard a person can have breast cancer and not be able to detect it by touch for a couple of years. And by then it's advanced.
I'm going to ask my doctor about these new guidlines, but I really think she'll tell me to continue getting yearly mammograms.
post #5 of 78
Nothing to do with government rationed healthcare - my 2 personal doctors think the same way, and both had advised me against it a while back. They said it made more harm than good, since 99% of the lumps found on self exam were benign and resulted in unnecessary biopsy surgeries and radiation. This would be a different story if the person had a family history, or a genetic predisposition. I think the majority of other countries out there are 50 years and older...
post #6 of 78
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I just have to wonder about the cost issue because I know that my insurance covers 1 per year at zero expense to me. I know those tests aren't cheap. I guess when the government is looking into getting into the insurance business for the masses then it makes sense to reduce the number of expensive tests recommended because then they don't have to cover those expensive tests nearly as often.

Maybe I think of it a little differently because I lost my mother to breast cancer. Even if self exams showed irregularities 99% of the time, the 1% that found something before they would have gotten a mammogram that turned out to be cancer makes those false positives and biopsies worth it, expense wise. For those 1% who were able to get into treatment and not die because the cancer was detected early it was definitely worth it.

For the record, my mother had no family history of cancer, and didn't fit into any of the so-called risk groups. She still got cancer. It still killed her. And it was in large part because she did find an irregularity and her doctor didn't think it was a big enough deal to get it tested for 3 years. So for at least 3 years she had cancer that was completely unchecked because her doctor was sure it was "just a cyst". Thank goodness he retired! Mom had a good case to sue him but that wasn't her way; but she still blamed him for not taking the precautions he should have.

But now you have the government saying that you shouldn't even check for those lumps and bumps, let alone get them biopsied, because there are too many false positives. I guess if you don't find the cancer for a few years it's cheaper to treat since the person certainly won't live as long either.
post #7 of 78
Again, my doctors thought this way way way way before Obama was elected.
post #8 of 78
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
But now you have the government saying that you shouldn't even check for those lumps and bumps, let alone get them biopsied, because there are too many false positives.
Can you choose to have one every year Heidi even if they do bring this into effect?. I know they usually say here if two close members of the family have had the same cancer they would test you every year automatically.
post #9 of 78
That's the way it is here too: 50 years.

We don't teach or encourage breast self examinations anymore and haven't for years. TBH I've never done them because my chest size made it difficult.
post #10 of 78
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Maybe I think of it a little differently because I lost my mother to breast cancer. Even if self exams showed irregularities 99% of the time, the 1% that found something before they would have gotten a mammogram that turned out to be cancer makes those false positives and biopsies worth it, expense wise. For those 1% who were able to get into treatment and not die because the cancer was detected early it was definitely worth it.
First of all I'm very sorry that you lost your mother to breast cancer. I can see where that would cause someone to have a strong opinion.

At the same time I have been succesfully avoiding mammograms because I do not want to take the risk of having breast cancer (or any other type of cancer for that matter) caused by the radiation. It is not a matter of expense, it is a matter of my health. Take a look at these numbers:
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/CNR...mmography.html
If you are over 50 and getting yearly exams you have close to 1 % chance of getting mammogram-induced breast cancer. The mortality rate is 1/4 of that. Frankly if there were that much danger to our pets from eating pet food (1 in 133 cans of cat food contain poison) there would be an uproar.

Mammograms? No thanks, and even if they are free. Heck you couldn't pay me to get one. There is no incidence of it in my family, I don't trust the facilities to run the equipment properly, and it has been shown that it does NOT save lives. Ultrasound is another story. That is more reliable and does no harm.
post #11 of 78

For the Record, I have had breast cancer.

1. There is no family history, no one in my family has had breast cancer

2. I got breast cancer in my 40's

3. I detected the lump MYSELF

Nobody on God's green earth can tell me that a woman shouldn't start getting mammo's when she is in her 40's, when menopause typically starts.

What is the chances for breast cancer now? It used to be 1 in 5 women would get breast cancer, that is a 20% chance, if you women want to chance that, go for it.

I thought I was bullet proof, never sick a day in my life, didn't even get a darn cold but once ever two or three years. Lived in this city for 24 years and didn't even have a doctor. I was wrong and I paid a big price for it.



Believe me a tiny dose of radiation from a yearly mammo is NOTHING compared to:

1. 5-1/2 months of Chemotherapy AND, IN ADDITION TO THAT
2. 7-1/2 weeks of Radiation, Monday thru Friday for 7-1/2 Weeks
38 Radiation treatments, 15 MINUTES of radiation each treatment


When you think about that, the thought of a yearly mammo doesn't quite pack such a whallop, does it?
post #12 of 78
Cindy, first of all for being a survivor...
Second... YOU detected, NOT a mammogram...

Third: Can you tell us ladies how , so we can learn - was it by touch, sight? For me it's impooosible by touch! Too much boobs
post #13 of 78
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post

Third: Can you tell us ladies how , so we can learn - was it by touch, sight? For me it's impooosible by touch! Too much boobs
Do your Doctors not show you how to do it Carolina?. I still check mine every month, but if you google on how to do a self exam there should be one
post #14 of 78
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post

At the same time I have been succesfully avoiding mammograms because I do not want to take the risk of having breast cancer (or any other type of cancer for that matter) caused by the radiation. It is not a matter of expense, it is a matter of my health. Take a look at these numbers:
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/CNR...mmography.html
If you are over 50 and getting yearly exams you have close to 1 % chance of getting mammogram-induced breast cancer. The mortality rate is 1/4 of that. Frankly if there were that much danger to our pets from eating pet food (1 in 133 cans of cat food contain poison) there would be an uproar.

Mammograms? No thanks, and even if they are free. Heck you couldn't pay me to get one. There is no incidence of it in my family, I don't trust the facilities to run the equipment properly, and it has been shown that it does NOT save lives. Ultrasound is another story. That is more reliable and does no harm.
From YOUR link, which is authored by ONE doctor.

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Age at Exam. Resulting Risk of Mammogram-Induced Breast Cancer.

Any age in 1 exam: 1 chance in about 1,100.
30-34 range. 5 exams: 5 chances/1100, or 1 chance in 220.

Any age in 1 exam: 1 chance in about 1,900.
35-49 range. 10 exams: 10 chances/1900, or 1 chance in 190.

Any age in 1 exam: 1 chance in about 2,000.
50-64 range. 15 exams: 15 chances/2,000, or 1 chance in 133.
And, of course, these stats are from a book that is being quoted, no info on how the above was figured. It also does NOT tell us how the good doctor even KNOW if breast cancer is, "radiation induced"

NOW let's go for the statistics on Breast Cancer itself, which will include radiation induced breast cancer, because breast cancer is breast cancer.

So, instead of a link to some obscure, lone, doctor who I have never heard of, let's go to the CDC itself, remember them, The Center for Disease Control

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/

These statistics are for the United States Only:


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Breast Cancer Statistics
Aside from non-melanoma skin cancer, breast cancer is the most common form of cancer in women. Breast cancer is the number one cause of cancer death in Hispanic women. It is the second most common cause of cancer death in white, black, Asian/Pacific Islander, and American Indian/Alaska Native women. For more information, visit Cancer Among Women.

In 2005 (the most recent year numbers are available)—

•186,467 women and 1,764 men were diagnosed with breast cancer.*â€:censor:
•41,116 women and 375 men died from breast cancer.*â€:censor:
http://www.annals.org/content/suppl/...-10-727-RS.pdf

The link above is for the NEW guidelines that I do NOT agree with.
A few interesting tidbits to read are the: "Balance of Harms and Benefits (from mammo's) Interesting that radiation induced breast cancer is not even mentioned.
post #15 of 78
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Cindy, first of all for being a survivor...
Second... YOU detected, NOT a mammogram...

Third: Can you tell us ladies how , so we can learn - was it by touch, sight? For me it's impooosible by touch! Too much boobs
Bless your heart, carolinalima, for asking that question, I didn't make myself clear enough.

My mistake was in NOT going and having annual mammo's once I reached my 40's. If I would have, the mammo would have detected my cancer years sooner.

As soon as I FELT the lump I went and had a mammo and it was instantly apparent there was a mass there. Then I had an ultrasound, THEN, a fine needle biopsy which diagosed me for sure.

post #16 of 78
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
Do your Doctors not show you how to do it Carolina?. I still check mine every month, but if you google on how to do a self exam there should be one
Yep he does.... I once had a breast lump removed, it was huge - my doctor detected, and tried to make me feel it, and for the love of me, I could not feel it. There are SO many bumps in my breasts, there is just no way in heaven that I can distinguish what is normal from what is not... So that is why I was wondering from Cindy if she saw something weird, out of the ordinary... maybe pain, or discoloration, or I don't know... something different
post #17 of 78
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
From YOUR link, which is authored by ONE doctor.



And, of course, these stats are from a book that is being quoted, no info on how the above was figured. It also does NOT tell us how the good doctor even KNOW if breast cancer is, "radiation induced"

NOW let's go for the statistics on Breast Cancer itself, which will include radiation induced breast cancer, because breast cancer is breast cancer.

So, instead of a link to some obscure, lone, doctor who I have never heard of, let's go to the CDC itself, remember them, The Center for Disease Control

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/

These statistics are for the United States Only:




http://www.annals.org/content/suppl/...-10-727-RS.pdf

The link above is for the NEW guidelines that I do NOT agree with.
A few interesting tidbits to read are the: "Balance of Harms and Benefits (from mammo's) Interesting that radiation induced breast cancer is not even mentioned.
I didn't realize that something had to be authored by a consortium of celebrity doctors or scientists as opposed to one single expert in order for some people to take it seriously.
Here is more information on Dr Gofman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gofman

Not only do I remember the CDC, the data presented on their site show that the chances of developing breast cancer in the next thrity years even for someone who is age 60 was 8.59% in 2004-2006 - far less than the "1 in 5" which you refer to.
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/age.htm
This represents a slight decrease following a steady INCREASE from about 1980 to 2000.
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After increasing for more than 2 decades, female breast cancer incidence rates decreased by about 2% per year from 1999 to 2006. This decrease may be due at least in part to less use of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) after the results of the Women's Health Initiative were published in 2002. This study linked HRT use to an increased risk of breast cancer and heart diseases.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/cri/co...t_cancer_5.asp

You can see the graph of incidence rates by age group from 1975 to 2006 in Fig. 3 in this publication.
http://www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/...%209-08-09.pdf
If anything, the incidence has been on the rise for the past few decades.

Of course statistics mean nothing when you are the 1 in 1000 they missed or the 1 in 1000 they caught. And as you pointed out, it wasn't a mammogram that caught it, YOU did. And in your case, the mammogram did not give a false positive. I can see why you are adamant about getting this type of screening but to me it is not worth the risk and I'm glad that the recommendations are changing.
post #18 of 78
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
There are SO many bumps in my breasts, there is just no way in heaven that I can distinguish what is normal from what is not
The secret is to get to know those lumps if you know what i mean?. I have lumpy ones and i felt a lump years ago, so i was x-rayed and had a needle biopsy, but they were fat cells.

They usually say when their quite soft and they can move their nothing, and their the ones i have
post #19 of 78
Of COURSE its the beginning of rationalized healthcare - Obama/Pelosi style! Lets continue to decide what is best for your health - don't listen to doctors, do as the government says.

We don't want to spend money on you - its too expensive. So what if you get cancer - we'll decide if you are too old for treatment.

Seriously open your eyes and ears as to WHAT Obama is planning on doing - YOU will no longer be in charge of your life - the government will. Wake up before its too late and you are wondering "what in the world" happened.


CHOICE, CHANGE - listen to what Obama said to you when you voted for him. You are getting what you asked for................but NOT in the way you thought you were getting.
post #20 of 78
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I can see why you are adamant about getting this type of screening but to me it is not worth the risk and I'm glad that the recommendations are changing.
IMO if you don't want to get screened that is 100% your choice. I wouldn't say boo about your choice. How often any individual gets them, when they choose to start getting them, and how much of a risk the radiation from the mammogram poses is really between that person and their doctor. If your doctor doesn't think you need to start getting screened until you're 50, fine. If you don't like the risks of the tests, OK. (I get an MRI of my head & spine at least once/year, possibly twice - the radiation from a little mammogram doesn't make me think twice compared to that! ) If the idea of being diagnosed with cancer scares you more than just dying from it, that's still your choice to make.

What worries me about them changing these recommendations is that currently my insurance does cover 100% of one mammogram/year, because that is what is recommended for women to get. If those recommendations change then regardless of what I or my doctor think is appropriate my insurance may or may not cover it. That is where my concern lies. I don't fall into the high-risk categories. My mother is the only one in my family with cancer, so they don't consider that a real family history. But if I want to start screening early, and my doctor recommends it, then I should be able to without paying out the nose for it.

And government option or no in the current legislation, they are still only offering insurance and if that insurance doesn't cover the screening then it doesn't cover the screening. My concern here is that they are putting the cart before the horse and using these kinds of recommendations (not just breast cancer, who knows what else they have down the pike) to reduce the number of claims and then claim to be changing the system and bringing down the costs to consumers.
post #21 of 78
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I didn't realize that something had to be authored by a consortium of celebrity doctors or scientists as opposed to one single expert in order for some people to take it seriously.
Here is more information on Dr Gofman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gofman

This guy is no expert, good grief, he worked on the Manhattan Project, I am not going to take the word of some guy that worked on the Atom Bomb in WWII, who is NOT EVEN AN ONCOLOGIST over my Oncologist and my doctor who specializes in breasts, that is ALL he does is breasts, the man is awesome.

Not only do I remember the CDC, the data presented on their site show that the chances of developing breast cancer in the next thrity years even for someone who is age 60 was 8.59% in 2004-2006 - far less than the "1 in 5" which you refer to.
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/age.htm
This represents a slight decrease following a steady INCREASE from about 1980 to 2000.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/cri/co...t_cancer_5.asp

You can see the graph of incidence rates by age group from 1975 to 2006 in Fig. 3 in this publication.
http://www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/...%209-08-09.pdf
If anything, the incidence has been on the rise for the past few decades.

Of course statistics mean nothing when you are the 1 in 1000 they missed or the 1 in 1000 they caught. And as you pointed out, it wasn't a mammogram that caught it, YOU did. And in your case, the mammogram did not give a false positive. I can see why you are adamant about getting this type of screening but to me it is not worth the risk and I'm glad that the recommendations are changing.


That chances of a woman getting breast cancer is about a million times greater than the chances of a woman getting cancer from the radiation from a mammogram. That is the lamest excuse I have EVER heard for not getting a mammogram.

But it is your right not to get a mammogram, but when you push this on a forum you never know who is going to read this thread. Your posting could, conceiveably prevent someone from getting a mammogram and that is not right.

For the record, I NEVER was on HRT either, never even took birth control pills because of all the hormones. I do NOT fit the mold of a typical woman who gets breast cancer by any stretch of the imagination.

I think the breast cancer rates have gone down because woman are getting mammograms, breast cancer awareness is HUGE, everyone knows about it.

My mama always told me, it is better to be safe than sorry.
post #22 of 78
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post

What worries me about them changing these recommendations is that currently my insurance does cover 100% of one mammogram/year, because that is what is recommended for women to get. If those recommendations change then regardless of what I or my doctor think is appropriate my insurance may or may not cover it. That is where my concern lies. I don't fall into the high-risk categories. My mother is the only one in my family with cancer, so they don't consider that a real family history. But if I want to start screening early, and my doctor recommends it, then I should be able to without paying out the nose for it.
This is exactly why the current system of health insurance is so terrible..You pay them every month and yet they choose what they want to cover...It makes me very angry. With socialized health care, at least you don't have to pay for your insurance (although you pay some of it through taxes, but the burden of the tax falls most greatly on the highest income percentile so it will be less for middle to upper middle class people) and if you want to get something the health care plan may not cover, you can still always get it privately.


Personally, I could care less what the current recommendation is, I go by what my doctor tells me provided that I have a trustworthy doctor..
post #23 of 78
I just saw on the Brazilian news the National Cancer Institute recommends mammograms every 2 years for women over 50 years and older, since 2003 unless you are in the group risk for breast cancer, in which case you start yearly at 35.
post #24 of 78
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Of COURSE its the beginning of rationalized healthcare - Obama/Pelosi style! Lets continue to decide what is best for your health - don't listen to doctors, do as the government says.

We don't want to spend money on you - its too expensive. So what if you get cancer - we'll decide if you are too old for treatment.

Seriously open your eyes and ears as to WHAT Obama is planning on doing - YOU will no longer be in charge of your life - the government will. Wake up before its too late and you are wondering "what in the world" happened.


CHOICE, CHANGE - listen to what Obama said to you when you voted for him. You are getting what you asked for................but NOT in the way you thought you were getting.
So Obama is behind the mammogram argument too! If there nothing that this man doesn't have his finger in or is responsible for (but he's only responsible for the bad things of course). He's like Santa Claus - he's everywhere at any one time.

Back to the subject, I've heard the mammogram is not as great at detecting cancer as it was previously thought.
post #25 of 78
Since Obama is not your president, you really don't care what happens.....good or bad.

This is just another sign of what is to come. Something a lot saw, but far more ignored the warning signs and are barely opening their eyes now to the truth.
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Since Obama is not your president, you really don't care what happens.....good or bad.

This is just another sign of what is to come. Something a lot saw, but far more ignored the warning signs and are barely opening their eyes now to the truth.
Actually GK, I do care what Obama does as do many other countries. He may not be "our" President, but his decisions can and do affect other countries so yes we do care - good and/or bad.

I just find it interesting that no matter what subject comes up in this forum, someone will find a way to blame Obama for the outcome but only if the outcome is negative.
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
That chances of a woman getting breast cancer is about a million times greater than the chances of a woman getting cancer from the radiation from a mammogram. That is the lamest excuse I have EVER heard for not getting a mammogram.

But it is your right not to get a mammogram, but when you push this on a forum you never know who is going to read this thread. Your posting could, conceiveably prevent someone from getting a mammogram and that is not right.

For the record, I NEVER was on HRT either, never even took birth control pills because of all the hormones. I do NOT fit the mold of a typical woman who gets breast cancer by any stretch of the imagination.

I think the breast cancer rates have gone down because woman are getting mammograms, breast cancer awareness is HUGE, everyone knows about it.

My mama always told me, it is better to be safe than sorry.
I guess you didn't read the links. The incidence rates have been going UP and not down. Your claim that chances of a woman getting breast cancer is about a million times greater than "the chances of a woman getting cancer from the radiation from a mammogram" is not even remotely supported by any available statistics.

As far as I know people who read and post on this forum are capable of thinking for themselves and making their own decisions. I do not expect anyone to do as I do. nor am I "pushing it." The opening post suggested that this had to do with cost cutting measures and it's all Obama's fault as opposed to discussing the real risks posed by relying on mammograms to detect breast cancer. There are often two sides to every story and this is no exception.

I do not blindly adhere to medical protocols. I feel like I understand enough of the medicine AND physics to make an informed decision. If someone else sees it differently, their insurance will pay for a yearly radiation-based screening regardless of age, and they feel like this is doing them good, great. I would just as soon not be the one to burst their bubble.
post #28 of 78
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
This is exactly why the current system of health insurance is so terrible..You pay them every month and yet they choose what they want to cover...It makes me very angry. With socialized health care, at least you don't have to pay for your insurance (although you pay some of it through taxes, but the burden of the tax falls most greatly on the highest income percentile so it will be less for middle to upper middle class people) and if you want to get something the health care plan may not cover, you can still always get it privately.


Personally, I could care less what the current recommendation is, I go by what my doctor tells me provided that I have a trustworthy doctor..
Do you REALLY think the government is going to cover MORE than health insurers? I think you will be sadly mistaken.

It has already been said that Canada and the UK doesn't cover mammo's until you hit 50 years old and then only every OTHER year, not annually.
To me it is logical that, as women hit menopause is when the risk goes up for breast cancer and most women hit menopause in their 40's.

Of course health insurers have to "choose what they want to cover", how could you expect anything else? The government will do the same and worse.
All this is, is a presursor to rationed care.

Oh, of course lets take MORE from the rich to give to the poor, redistribution of wealth. What right does the government have to make rich people bear most of the burden. Who do you think it is that employs people, poor people? LOL

Why is it that liberals want everyone on the same level? What motivation is there to get ahead when you know you will just be giving it all to the government in higher taxes?

Our country was built on the American Dream, that anyone could get ahead by working hard and making sacrifices. For sure, let's take that away and see how our country does.
post #29 of 78
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I guess you didn't read the links. The incidence rates have been going UP and not down. Your claim that chances of a woman getting breast cancer is about a million times greater than "the chances of a woman getting cancer from the radiation from a mammogram" is not even remotely supported by any available statistics.

As far as I know people who read and post on this forum are capable of thinking for themselves and making their own decisions. I do not expect anyone to do as I do. nor am I "pushing it." The opening post suggested that this had to do with cost cutting measures and it's all Obama's fault as opposed to discussing the real risks posed by relying on mammograms to detect breast cancer. There are often two sides to every story and this is no exception.

I do not blindly adhere to medical protocols. I feel like I understand enough of the medicine AND physics to make an informed decision. If someone else sees it differently, their insurance will pay for a yearly radiation-based screening regardless of age, and they feel like this is doing them good, great. I would just as soon not be the one to burst their bubble.
Yes, I read the links. Breast cancer rates have improved in recent years.
Are you saying they haven't?

Are you saying it is a greater risk to have a mammogram than to NOT have a mammogram?
post #30 of 78
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post


Oh, of course lets take MORE from the rich to give to the poor, redistribution of wealth. What right does the government have to make rich people bear most of the burden. Who do you think it is that employs people, poor people? LOL
Because IMO the government has the obligation to bring as much justice to society as possible..
By the way, it is in the constitution for rich people to bear most of the burden, that is why we have graduated income tax.
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