Just a curious heart question

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I'm just asking this out of curiosity. As far as I know none of my cats have heart problems.

If a cat seems perfectly fine one day and is dead the next, is it more likely that he/she died from heart disease/failure or heartworms? Obviously there could be other causes, but that's not what I'm asking.
 

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In some areas heart disease (without heartworms) might be a more likely possibility. However, as the first article below states, "Heartworms were first identified in a cat in the United States in 1922. Since that time heartworm infections have been diagnosed in all 50 states." So one can never totally discount the possibility......

Here are some articles for important, detailed info on heartworms:

http://www.peteducation.com/article....6+2242&aid=742

http://pethealthlibrary.purinacare.com/cats/239/

http://www.veterinarypracticenews.co...k-in-cats.aspx

And from Dr. Mike Richards (Vetinfo)
http://www.vetinfo.com/csuddeath.html

Sudden death in cats occurs for several reasons. The most common ones are probably cardiomyopathy and heartworm disease. Both of these disorders can cause death with almost no warning at all. We have had a client whose cat went to jump from the couch to a chair near it and landed in the chair, dead. This cat had about four heartworms in the pulmonary arteries when we did a post mortem examination. As far as our client could tell, her cat was normal right up to the time that it died. Other clients have had similar experiences with cats who have had cardiomyopathy, although none quite this dramatic. It seems odd that these disorders can be serious enough to cause death while not causing any warning symptoms but it really seems to be the case at times. Cardiomyopathy is probably the leading cause of anesthetic deaths in cats and most of the time the affected cats have no signs that are detected prior to the anesthetic crisis.

There are many other possible problems, though. Cats probably occasionally are born with defects that can lead to sudden death, such as aneurysms that may suddenly rupture. Toxin exposure sometimes occurs without the cat owner being aware of it. Application of a dog flea control product containing permethrin sometimes results in accidental poisoning, although most cats do show clinical signs prior to the time that they die with this particular toxic exposure.

Sometimes, there are signs of a serious illness that are subtle enough that veterinary clients, or even veterinarians, miss them. Toxoplasmosis, feline infectious peritonitis, feline leukemia virus, hemobartonellosis, liver failure, chronic kidney failure and other diseases usually cause recognizable symptoms but in rare instances there are not clear-cut clinical signs and death appears to occur suddenly.

The only really good way to try to figure out the cause of a sudden death is a post-mortem examination.
 

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Originally Posted by Violet

And since your question was about sudden death, here is some very important heart disease related info:

http://www.reigningcats.com/Maine%20...%20Article.htm

http://www.cfa.org/articles/health/cardiomyopathy.html
Jamie was just diagnosed with HCM yesterday. The problem was picked up during his senior panel in August, and confirmed when the proBNP test was repeated. I would really recommend the test to anyone who suspects their cat may have heart disease, or if the cat is all or part MC.
 

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HCM is in sphynx also.
I plan on having Cleo scanned in a few weeks.
So many breeders have lost Sphynx to it that were not sick at all.
In fact a few were preg and found dead.
It is very important to have your cat scanned if they are a certian breed.
I already have 2 cats with heart murmurs.
Coco has heart murmurs and her heat beat is very high.
We found that out a few weeks ago.
Meeko has had a heart murmur since she was a kitten and it is grade 2/3 now.
 

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Those links have been interesting to read. As you probably know, my girl Stumpy went into sudden heart failure due to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. She was young, active and completely healthy otherwise, had all her regular exams and check ups, and showed no signs of any problems.

I don't even know how you would pick this up unless you had an ultrasound maybe? I'll be seeing the specialty vet today who cared for Stumpy so will ask while I'm there.
 

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When our cat died we were told one would have to have a veterinary cardiologist do an ultrasound on a perfectly healthy cat that has no symptoms at all to detect HCM.

Our cat had no symptoms either. None. He looked and acted like a perfectly healthy cat. And then one night he died in his sleep. According to the necropsy report he died of acute pulmonary edema resulting from congestive heart failure.......The vet who did the necropsy told me he must have had HCM for several years.....
 

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Originally Posted by Violet

When our cat died we were told one would have to have a veterinary cardiologist do an ultrasound on a perfectly healthy cat that has no symptoms at all to detect HCM.

Our cat had no symptoms either. None. He looked and acted like a perfectly healthy cat. And then one night he died in his sleep. According to the necropsy report he died of acute pulmonary edema resulting from congestive heart failure.......The vet who did the necropsy told me he must have had HCM for several years.....
That's what the proBNP test is for - the levels indicate the likelihood of HCM and whether a cardiac ultrasound is recommended. It's now part of the regular senior blood panels in Germany (for any breed). Jamie is asymptomatic; two months after the first test came back positive I had it done again to rule out a false positive.
These articles explain it:
Circulating natriuretic peptides in cats with heart disease


Measurement of N-terminal proatrial natriuretic peptide in plasma of cats with and without cardiomyopathy
 
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