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Vent: I am going to strangle this cat.

post #1 of 43
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Arggghh! Just venting to avoid throwing my foster cat out on her behind. She has "accidents" directly outside my bedroom door every morning. If I move something in front of her spot, she finds another inappropriate place to go. My landlord is going to FLIP out if she does not stop this. No, it's not health related (she's had a UA, she's had bloodwork, etc). No, I haven't changed the litter type or location since the last time she was using it correctly. I use a non-scented, all natural litter. Yes, I have scrubbed the area with a pet odor eliminating formula. On my hands and knees and with a professional grade rug scrubber. Yes, I have changed foods. Yes, I have tried wet food only to reduce crystals (which the vet says she does not have).
I seriously think she is just a hateful cat. I brushed her the other day, and she was annoyed...so as soon as I put her down, she ran over to my door and pooped. Right in front of me. I am losing my patience. No one wants to adopt this cat because of this issue, so she's been in my house, causing trouble, since May. She will go two or three weeks without an accident and then have them every single day for three weeks.
I am moving back in with my parents for six months between now and my wedding, and I think they may actually throw her out. ::screams:: I am starting to really hate this cat.
post #2 of 43
What is your reaction to her when she does this? Some cats crave attention, even if it's negative.
post #3 of 43
Thread Starter 
I've only seen her doing it once, and I reacted negatively But, she has been doing this since May and that happened this week, so I don't think that is the problem. I wish that was the problem though!
post #4 of 43
I would take her to the vet again. IMO there might be something wrong that the vet didn't catch before.

What litter are you using?
Have you tried Cat Attract Litter? That can help you a LOT. Something else that might help is a Feliway Plug in (link for the refill), and Feliway Spray on the areas she has peed and pooped.
post #5 of 43
I know how frustrating this can be.
Maybe another vet visit would be good and mention these issues to your vet.
post #6 of 43
Thread Starter 
She practically lived at the vet's office the first three months she was here. Like I said, I wish the solution was that simple. I was going to schedule an appointment to see the vet about putting her on mood altering meds, so she will be going back soon anyways.

One of the vets in the practice always threatens to keep her...maybe this time she actually will
post #7 of 43
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Originally Posted by Marie0604 View Post
I seriously think she is just a hateful cat. I brushed her the other day, and she was annoyed...so as soon as I put her down, she ran over to my door and pooped.
I am moving back in with my parents for six months between now and my wedding, and I think they may actually throw her out. ::screams:: I am starting to really hate this cat.
I would stop brushing her for a start because she obviously doesn't like it and it's stressing her out.

If the vet seriously wants her then do her a favour and hand her over.
post #8 of 43
I have a cat that I thought had behaviour problems and kept peeing and pooping, it turns out (after months of nagging the vet to investigate further) that she has a massive flea allergy, she is flead reguarly and doesn't ever gt fleas but if one bites her, something from the flea bit gets in her bloodstream and she does this and also acts quite strange generally, my solution has been the new flea injection our vets do. I am not saying this is the problem but whatI am saying it could be an underlying health problem. Its quite upset me that you are eing so flippant about getting rid of this cat at the end of the day all cats have different problems, cats aent straight forward animals like humans, we all act differently, maybe you should look at giving her to a no-kill animal shelter if you feel that strongly. he may be unhappy too.
post #9 of 43
Thread Starter 
Rosie- I can't quit brushing her or she'll mat very badly--she's Persian. I have to have her sedated to be shaved down, so I avoid that if at all possible.

I will investigate the flea allergy as I do believe she has a mild flea allergy. She's on prevention, but I imagine she could have gotten bitten at some point. What sort of shot is it?

And, I'm being flippant because I'm partially kidding. I'm not sure if you read the original post, but this is a foster cat. I can't *wait* until she finds her forever home, just like I can't *wait* until any of them find their homes. It opens up foster space and allows another one out of the shelter. (The vet is aware of the fact that she is a foster and always jokes about taking her home.)
Just because I am a foster home doesn't mean that it is okay for this cat to destroy the carpet in my apartment and it doesn't make it any less frustrating. I came here to vent, not really to figure out what is wrong with her...but I will look into the flea allergy causing it. My vet is aware that she is allergic to fleas but never mentioned that that could be the cause of her other problems.
post #10 of 43
Hi, probably the cause is that she is a foster cat and just needs a permanent home really. Sorry, I was not being nasty, my cat Candy who has the flea allergy drives me nuts, even though she has the flea injection (once every six months-I live in England not sure if its available where you are, don't know the actual name) she still can get bit at any time and does her business everywhere, my hubby goes insane, he really is not a cat lover and it drives him mad.Its me that cleans it up but yes, its a chore that is unneccessary but atleast I have an answer.Whenever sh starts acting a bit odd and messing I just flea her again, I find that frontline isn't very effective, I swear by Bob Martin Vetcare, its fantastic, I get it off ebay. I really don't know what the problem is with this kitty but I hope she finds a permanent home soon-well done for you taking her on as a foster cat.xx
post #11 of 43
You said you're using an all natural litter. What brand/type is it?
post #12 of 43
Thread Starter 
It's okay. I was just frustrated when I posted. I spent all afternoon scrubbing my carpets. Claire is not confined to the bathroom until I can get in to see the vet again.

It's Feline Pine, the fine/scoopable type. But this is litter number three since she started. We've tried covered boxes, uncovered boxes, multiple boxes, etc. She'll randomly start using the box and then randomly stop. I keep trying to figure out if there is a change in environment when she is/isn't using the box, but I've yet to find one. The only time she consistently uses it is when she's in a small space, like the bathroom.
post #13 of 43
Unfortunately, sometimes they are just 'dirty cats'. However in small spaces they wont dirty close to where they sleep so they tend to use the box.

Have you tried using garden dirt in the litterbox instead of litter? We have had some luck with that with ferals who dont know to use the box.

Is it just pooping or peeing too? If its peeing, I would use an enzyme cleaner rather than just a rug cleaner as they can still smell it after the cleaning.

Oh and maybe something in your home is stressing her, is there a foster home you could swap with?

Fosters are always more of a pain than your own
post #14 of 43
Do you have a photo of her? I can help with different coat textures of a Persian (re: grooming advice)
post #15 of 43
Thread Starter 
I've never tried regular dirt. Not sure what she would think about that, lol.

I honestly don't hate this cat, she's just driving me crazy at the moment. If I could just get her to use the litter box, I could deal with all of her other quirks. Unfortunately, I'm fostering this one on my own. No one wanted to take a chance on her because she was in such bad shape when I picked her up, so it's just me.

She usually doesn't give me a hard time with brushing, except maybe an occasional swat when I touch her legs. That day she was just in a terrible mood and exceptionally angry about it. Here's a picture of the monster though:

post #16 of 43
God she is gorgeous!

Her coat looks in really good condition?? I think you're doing a great job!

Can you ply her with treats and scritches before and after the brush? Also are you using a wide toothed comb?
post #17 of 43
You would be surprised the luck we have with dirt, we buy it in big bags from the local gardening store for litterbox issues, sometimes if they have been out a while its all they will use and then we mix the regular litter in as they start using it
post #18 of 43
I knew someone who had a Persian who would only use Petgold Unscented clumping litter. Anything else and he had accidents.

I saw the post about feline pine being the litter. That could be a problem. It seems cats either love it or hate it. Can you also put out a box with unscented scooping litter and see if there is a preference. Kind of a litter "buffet" to see if there is one kind she really likes over the others? You could even try one of those under the bed storage Rubbermaid containers and see if the box size is an issue. One of my cats likes a box for #1 and a box for #2, so maybe she prefers 2 boxes?

I used to have a cat that was very very picky about his litter box. The litter had to be completely changed and the box washed every 3-4 weeks. And scooped 2-3 times a day. If his brother didn't stand up when he pees, I would have bought a Littermaid for one of the boxes.
post #19 of 43
Sorry, but another litter suggestion. Dr. Elsley's Cat Attract (or Kitten Attract) has worked miracles for many: http://www.preciouscat.com/ You can find a dealer on the website.
post #20 of 43
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Originally Posted by Marie0604 View Post
I've never tried regular dirt. Not sure what she would think about that, lol.

I honestly don't hate this cat, she's just driving me crazy at the moment. If I could just get her to use the litter box, I could deal with all of her other quirks. Unfortunately, I'm fostering this one on my own. No one wanted to take a chance on her because she was in such bad shape when I picked her up, so it's just me.

She usually doesn't give me a hard time with brushing, except maybe an occasional swat when I touch her legs. That day she was just in a terrible mood and exceptionally angry about it. Here's a picture of the monster though:

Oh my gosh she doesn't LOOK like a monster!! Good advice about litter here. Also with the brushing? Are you trying to do it all at once? Some cats have a low threshold for the stimulation and you need to do it bit by bit.
post #21 of 43
Oh I feel your pain - I lived for 9 months with a cat named Bea who hated other animals, intensely disliked grooming - and as the result of a "re-declaw" she was a biter. Oh & she had less than impeccable litterbox habits.

I bought a kiddie pool & filled it with litter - I tried storage tubs of all colors/shapes/sizes - I tried so many different litters.

Is she shut out of your room at night? What if you shut her in the room with you at night?

Cats aren't "hateful" - they just voice their displeasure in ways other than talking. Is there anything in your home she may not like (ie other animals, not being fed when she wants to, not having access to a room when she wants to, etc)?
post #22 of 43
Thread Starter 
Ha Ha, I know, she doesn't "look" evil

I can try cat attract litter...I had been holding off because I didn't want to go back to clay litter, but I just googled it and it doesn't look like it *is* clay.

And, I'm sure it is because she's unhappy about something. She's unhappy about everything She hates the other foster kittens, and she hates not being allowed into my bedroom (Tried this, she pees underneath the bed and I can't get under it to clean...so, not allowed). Which is probably why she chooses to go directly outside my bedroom door.
post #23 of 43
I have a cat who suffers from incontinence when she's either overstimulated or extremely stressed. Other than that she's NEVER eliminated inappropriately. It could be that she's not doing it out of anything other than being too stimulated or stressed out. Have you tried Feliway yet?
post #24 of 43
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Originally Posted by Marie0604 View Post

And, I'm sure it is because she's unhappy about something. She's unhappy about everything She hates the other foster kittens, and she hates not being allowed into my bedroom
Her not liking the other foster kittens MIGHT be a key point. I had to stop bringing in other cats because one of mine would not use the litter box when I brought a "strange" cat into the house. No matter how well I thought I had them separated......he could smell the new cat.

Stress is one of the reasons for not using the litter box.

Was she doing this before the foster kittens? Just a thought.
post #25 of 43
Thread Starter 
She's been doing it since I've had her...at first we chalked it up to poor health, then we thought it might be crystals, then we thought it was litter, then we thought it was the food, etc. Who knows what it is...I just know that it really needs to stop, because while I can scrub my carpets here before anyone freaks out...my parents (nor my fiance) will tolerate it.
She has a lovely habit of pooping and then peeing over top of it so it makes it very difficult to clean up. Ick.
I'm going to pick up cat attrack litter on my way home today, and if that doesn't work I'll try regular dirt. I will also be talking to the vet about trying out medicine for her as soon as I get my next paycheck...
post #26 of 43
http://www.preciouscat.com/pdf/Free_...ll_8-17-06.pdf

Marie..the wonderful people on here gave me this link for a free bag of cat attract litter. I was at wits end with my new little guy who was going everywhere but the litterbox also and was very heart broken and ready to give him back. My husband said lets give him one more shot and go buy the litter. When I got home from buying this litter i immediatley took the litterbox out of the kitchen where he was mostly messing on the floor and filled the other two with the new litter and I am not a believer in these things but just let me say It WORKS... Please give it a try and im sure you precious kitty will use the box too.

Good luck and let us know how you make out.

Julie
post #27 of 43
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Originally Posted by Marie0604 View Post
Arggghh! Just venting to avoid throwing my foster cat out on her behind. She has "accidents" directly outside my bedroom door every morning. If I move something in front of her spot, she finds another inappropriate place to go. My landlord is going to FLIP out if she does not stop this. No, it's not health related (she's had a UA, she's had bloodwork, etc). No, I haven't changed the litter type or location since the last time she was using it correctly. I use a non-scented, all natural litter. Yes, I have scrubbed the area with a pet odor eliminating formula. On my hands and knees and with a professional grade rug scrubber. Yes, I have changed foods. Yes, I have tried wet food only to reduce crystals (which the vet says she does not have).
I seriously think she is just a hateful cat. I brushed her the other day, and she was annoyed...so as soon as I put her down, she ran over to my door and pooped. Right in front of me. I am losing my patience. No one wants to adopt this cat because of this issue, so she's been in my house, causing trouble, since May. She will go two or three weeks without an accident and then have them every single day for three weeks.
I am moving back in with my parents for six months between now and my wedding, and I think they may actually throw her out. ::screams:: I am starting to really hate this cat.


Dear Marie, I don't blame you one bit for feeling the way you do. Yours is a very frustrating and testy situation. Quite the contrary, bless your heart for trying so hard to care for this kitty despite the unpleasant problems she is causing.

If you have already answered some of these questions, then please forgive me, I'm only trying to think "out of the box".


Is she your only cat at the moment? If not how is she getting along with the others?


Has she been checked for worms?


When you rescued her, had she been declawed by the previous owner? If yes that can definitely cause behavioral problems with the litter box.


What is she like in general? Is she very playful? Is she affectionate? Or does she just seem to be generally unhappy? What about her history? Do you know how many times she's been in and out of the shelter? That could be causing problems, as perhaps she senses that this is not her permanent home.


Have you tried Feliway diffuser or something similar?


For the brushing, I would go in stages, when is she sleeping or very relaxed. If she's like my Samson, it will take you a week to get her completely brushed Also try to find a good detangling spray, that makes quite the difference. Make sure it's a leave-on formula. I'm sure you're already doing this, but just in case, try to cut away any knots prior to brushing. What my Samson hates is when it pulls. He'll sit there fairly patiently, but the moment it tugs, he gives me the evil and takes off.


What kind of brushing tools are you using? Believe it or not I use a plain plastic comb, one that has wide teeth on one end and fine teeth on the other. Works fine for me, I just never did like the metal combs. I also spray the detangling lotion directly on the comb.


If all else fails, next time you bring her in to the vet, take her up on her offer to keep the cat. All she might need is to "click" with the right person and it sounds like this vet might be the one! (Not that you don't care for her but animals can be a little bit like us, sometimes there are just certain people they "click" with right off the start).


I hope this helps out, please keep us posted!
post #28 of 43
Hopefully Cat Attract litter will help. All of mine really love the Kitten Attract litter. The sand like texture is softer on their paws. Maybe start with that one and see how she does while in one room rather than the entire home.

You mentioned she was in bad shape when you got her. Did she come from a shelter or was she a stray? Any info on her background or previous owners?

How long have you had her? Since May of this year?

Do you know her age?

Knowing this information may help someone to offer a different solution. You are sound like you are trying everything and anything that might help. I hope she gets better soon.
post #29 of 43
Thread Starter 
The pet store I went to didn't carry the litter, so I'll be going to a different one tomorrow.

Let's see if I can remember to answer all of the questions.

In May, the vet felt that she was around three years old. But, based on her condition, she could have been younger and just poorly cared for.

She's not the only foster. She basically ignores the kittens and they ignore her...if they happen to wander into her "area," she sometimes ignores them and sometimes swats at them. She doesn't attack them, but I do not believe she likes them. Hopefully the kittens will be adopted soon.

She's been dewormed quite a few times. The last time was recently, when the kittens were dewormed. She has her claws and isn't shy about using them. She's very, very mellow/lazy. She sleeps most of the time and I've only seen her play a couple of times. She has periods of being affectionate, but most of the time she ignores people (I have a theory that she has a kitty form of bipolar...it seems when she's in a "good mood," she uses the litter box more.)

She's been here since May of this year, I think. I would have to go back and look at my records. It may have been April. I don't know anything about her history other than she was found as a stray and taken to the shelter. She had just had kittens and was found with one kitten, but it was euthanized due to it's condition.

She was in very bad condition when I picked her up from the shelter. I was there to pick up two foster kittens and the rescue coordinator took me back to see her. She was matted from head to toe, but they thought that was the only thing wrong with her. So, I took her thinking that she would be easy to place. Not true. She was very, very sick...she was emaciated, bleeding, infected, had every parasite you can imagine (including maggots), etc. I would have to look at her records to list everything that was wrong with her.

So, yes, she has had a very rough life. The real problem is that she is getting worse, not better. She has always had these issues, but it was once a week accidents, now it's daily. It was a swat or hiss only when brushing, now it's daily. Etc, etc, etc.

I have a Feliway diffuser that we used for another foster cat. I guess I can dig it out. I wasn't sold on it as it did absolutely nothing for the other foster.
post #30 of 43
I just wanted to say you are so patient and nice to try and help this kitty. I have no advice that hasn't already been given. Vibes you can get to the bottom of the kitty misbehaving mystery
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