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I had this problem a few years ago when someone sold me a cat infected with ringworm. What a nightmare I used a product called Imaverol which I got from my vet. It was inexpensive worked great. As important as treating your cats is treating the house. Clean with a product called A33 Dry, and Health guard which are available from Revival animal health.com
Both have a residual affect and make cleaning much easier and effective and more practical than cleaning with bleach on a daily basis. I used these three things and haven't had a reoccurance in 4 years.
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Thanks for the tips. What encouraging news to hear that your ringworm went away and didn't come back!

Alas, Imaverol (enilconazole) is not available in the US. You can probably even get a fogger with the stuff; they have them in Europe. We can't.

I looked up A-33 Dry and it seems kind of hazardous for use in a small apartment with cats and kittens running freely throughout.

http://www.drugs.com/vet/a-33-dry.html

How did you use it in your house? Did you keep it on surfaces for 10 minutes? Did you rinse it? Use it on upholstery? We have wooden floors, mostly, and porous wood paneling in the bathroom. Very little tile or tough, hard surfaces, except painted baseboards, sills, and kitchen cabinets.

I'm using Health Guard in the laundry and will start using it as a disinfecting spray today. (I've been too lazy to go hunting for a spray bottle, since my local hardware store only carries a tiny one and I have no empties!)
 

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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy

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Not that that in any way compares to having to treat poor little kitties who have no idea why you're dipping, scrubbing and rubbing all these nasty chemicals onto and into them. My heart goes out to both of you.


Stay strong, ladies!!!
Thank you ladies! I'm so thankful to have found this supportive site.


Originally Posted by Bunnelina

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The clotrimazole isn't working wonders yet but Possum's spot seems less evil; I'd say it's less dark and raw. Wendy still has spots on her ears but I want to believe they look a little fainter, too. This cream does seem less irritating.

I'm almost afraid to say this, but I think the boys with the virus are doing a little better today. Snalbert has eaten food in a bowl (!!!) and is walking around howling hoarsely, which means he's more like his chatty old self, not silently hiding. And it's been more than a day since I heard little Possum have a scary coughing or sneezing fit. On the other hand, I escaped for five hours so I can't say for sure.

I can't have any visitors, either, and you're welcome to vent to me all you want!
How is everything going Bunnelina?

Glad to hear the boys seem to be doing better. The clotrimazole isn't working wonders here either but at least it is less irritating thus far. I have probably 5 to 15 more days until Tinker Bells fungus culture will be complete.

Keep me posted on how the ringworm is reacting to the lime sulphur. That is the one thing I didn't try but I had a strong feeling it would kill the fungus in it's tracks. Vet didn't recommend it and I was already doing the gentler baths and tapped out on funds. Also, I didn't have the energy to try yet another treatment when what I was doing should have been enough to clear the ringworm up. I was so afraid it would be too strong for the elderly cats. I never heard of doing the spot treatment with it. That sounds like a good idea to me.
 
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Hi StormySkiez,

My kittens are racing around, wrestling and playing as I write. I love that sound.

We are doing our routine, and the boys still seem to be recovering from the virus. So I think everyone can get lime-sulfur treatments at the groomer on Friday. Can't wait to see what it costs.

We were wicked and didn't do the in-between, at-home lime-sulfur spot treatment yet. We are supposed to dab it on their heads, and I may get up my courage to do it tonight. I know I'm dead wrong not to do it, and that I'll pay the price later.... but I am as afraid of the stuff as you are. If we could do the baths ourselves, it would be inexpensive, but we just can't.

The fungus lives in the hair. The goal is to kill it there. Both oral meds and lime-sulfur are supposed to do that. There's a hint in there about cleaning, too. Go after hair! Spores will be found where there is hair and dust. That's why vacuuming is supposed to be best. (And I'd make sure my vac had a HEPA filter, or the spores will be going right back into the air.)

I read this article, co-authored by Karen Moriello, DVM, who seems to be the go-to expert on ringworm. I think it's the best thing I've found so far:

http://www.giveshelter.org/resources/dermatophyte.pdf

We are supposed to do our first cultures around Dec. 8, after the kittens finish their Sporanox. By then, everyone should have had three or four lime dips, too. I want to do cultures every week after that; I don't see the point of waiting for one before doing more. But. I was charged $92 for the first culture, and I am going to do EVERYTHING I can do avoid paying $400 a pop, as many times as it takes to get three negatives for everyone in a row. We'll see how that goes....

I hope Tinker Bell is clear and all is going well for you. Keep me posted!
 
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Originally Posted by StormySkiez

Keep me posted on how the ringworm is reacting to the lime sulphur. That is the one thing I didn't try but I had a strong feeling it would kill the fungus in it's tracks. Vet didn't recommend it and I was already doing the gentler baths and tapped out on funds. Also, I didn't have the energy to try yet another treatment when what I was doing should have been enough to clear the ringworm up. I was so afraid it would be too strong for the elderly cats. I never heard of doing the spot treatment with it. That sounds like a good idea to me.
Hi StormySkiez,

I mixed up a small batch of lime sulfur tonight; my vet said it was crucial. I used about a half tablespoon in a cup of water, so it is about the strength of the dip. Sponged it here and there on their ears and faces (avoiding mucuous membranes and eyes), where they either have spots or are likely to get more. It smelled fairly disgusting and turned them yellow, but it was not the end of the world. Possum kept yawning and trying to wash his face; the skittish Wendy was perfectly okay with it. (She always expects us to torture her; occasionally her worst fears are confirmed.) They are drying now.

It's clear that there is NO WAY we could do four entire cats in this little apartment. I think this job belongs in a garage or shed.

But I think that as a spot treatment between dips, we can handle it. As long as they don't get too many more spots!
 

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Originally Posted by Bunnelina

I read this article, co-authored by Karen Moriello, DVM, who seems to be the go-to expert on ringworm. I think it's the best thing I've found so far:

http://www.giveshelter.org/resources/dermatophyte.pdf

We are supposed to do our first cultures around Dec. 8, after the kittens finish their Sporanox. By then, everyone should have had three or four lime dips, too. I want to do cultures every week after that; I don't see the point of waiting for one before doing more. But. I was charged $92 for the first culture, and I am going to do EVERYTHING I can do avoid paying $400 a pop, as many times as it takes to get three negatives for everyone in a row. We'll see how that goes....

I hope Tinker Bell is clear and all is going well for you. Keep me posted!
Hello Bunnelina. Thank you for your well wishes. I wish everyone well in your home.

The 3rd vet I have seen is charging 25.00 per fungus test. My first vet 65.00per test. This adds up fast for multiple pets and tests.

Reading articles on how to cure ringworm is driving me nuts. There are so many contradicting articles online. The one you posted states using ketoconazole is not very effective and can be harmful to the animals liver (first time I have read that). The article I posted claims ketoconazole was very effective and safe to use. The breeder who wrote the article I found, worked with 4 different vets to come up with a safe ketoconazole dosage for treating ringworm. Your article is co-authored by a vet. My personal vet recommends itraconazole but not the lime sulfur dips. When I discovered the lime sulfur online I put a call into my vet. He Said do not use the lime sulfur dip. So I treat with itraconazole for months and fungus shampoos and we still have skin issues in the house. All the vets need to get on the same page on how to effectively cure ringworm.


Originally Posted by Bunnelina

Hi StormySkiez,
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It's clear that there is NO WAY we could do four entire cats in this little apartment. I think this job belongs in a garage or shed.

But I think that as a spot treatment between dips, we can handle it. As long as they don't get too many more spots!
I completely agree. Another factor in my decision not to use the lime sulfur was the animals needed to practically drip dry after use?? How do you do that with 6 pets? I thought the vet was crazy telling me to bathe six animals w/ ringworm in my house. I have no garage or basement to do this in. I had to partially blow dry the animals because the fur was very stiff if left to air dry and their tummies were still damp by evening. The hair was flying everywhere. I couldn't stand the hair sticking to me during the process. My Almond and Joy were covered in mats from the baths that I had to eventually shave off because it was insane trying to brush or cut them out. Then having to disinfect the whole area afterwards and clean the towels used. I offered to pay the vet to do the baths and or full treatment, he said no can do. I wonder why?? You are very lucky to have found someone to do the baths & dips.
 
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Originally Posted by StormySkiez

All the vets need to get on the same page on how to effectively cure ringworm.
I couldn't agree MORE! I've read way too much, but it's my nature to learn all I can about a problem I'm struggling with. Then I get confused and frustrated by conflicting advice. Eventually, I have to figure out whom I respect the most and evaluate their plan. Right now that includes the dips, much as I loathe them.

But it's much too early for me to know what works. I'm still in the dark for another 6 weeks: 3 weeks until the first culture is done and then another 3-week wait. You, on the other hand, have been through the ringer trying to deal with this. So I'm learning from you, and I hope I can help you eventually, too.

I imagine you are very anxious for your culture results, as I would be. May they be negative!

Originally Posted by StormySkiez

Another factor in my decision not to use the lime sulfur was the animals needed to practically drip dry after use?? How do you do that with 6 pets? I thought the vet was crazy telling me to bathe six animals w/ ringworm in my house. I have no garage or basement to do this in. I had to partially blow dry the animals because the fur was very stiff if left to air dry and their tummies were still damp by evening. The hair was flying everywhere. I couldn't stand the hair sticking to me during the process. My Almond and Joy were covered in mats from the baths that I had to eventually shave off because it was insane trying to brush or cut them out. Then having to disinfect the whole area afterwards and clean the towels used. I offered to pay the vet to do the baths and or full treatment, he said no can do. I wonder why?? You are very lucky to have found someone to do the baths & dips.
My groomer suggested putting each cat in its carrier to dry in a warm room, and running a cool hair dryer over them to speed the process. It sounds like you had a nightmare on your hands. I didn't know this stuff would mat them, but it's clearly a task for a pro. Vets won't do it for the very reasons you cite: smell, contagion from fur, and the tedious disinfecting afterward.

A person at a shelter recommended applying it with a spray bottle because it was faster and easier, but I still won't try this at home while there's a dollar in my bank account.

My two cats did not get matted but they stank. Snalbert has an outrageously thick and long Persian coat, however, so we'll see what happens with his first dip on Friday.

We are no longer doing antifungal baths first. It's $40-$50 and this Dr. Moriello doesn't advise it, and my vet just cares about the lime sulfur.

My vet is looking into cheaper cultures, and keeping them in-house. I gave her a copy of the article, and it turns out she was planning to give me Dr. Moriello's info printed from a private vets' site. At least we're on the same page; let's hope we're doing the right things.

Hang in there. I am about to cover my entire house with Health Guard.
 
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Greetings, StormySkiez! How are you and the furries doing? Is your culture finished yet? I hope you are getting some improvement, and that things are looking brighter at your house.

We took our foursome for lime sulfur dips on Friday. They handled it well and didn't look too bad afterward, but they are "wicked" smelly, as we say in Boston.

And I am ALLERGIC to lime sulfur! I woke up that night with a completely blocked nose and was sneezing my head off even with my medication. I thought it was the flu. That stuff is really irritating to mucous membranes. They tell you to watch the cat's nose, etc., but not your own!

I'm better today; I figured they are shedding the dust, so I vacuumed with even more zeal than usual, and swiffered the walls. I will just plan to not breathe for 36 hours after their weekly dips. No problem.


In other news, I still see no improvement with the clotrimazole, but nothing looks worse, either. Well, I might see a teeeeny-tiny bit of improvement, but I don't want to jinx it. How about you?
 

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Hi Bunnelina
We are ok here. Paw had a bout with, very bad runs last week. I made the mistake of trying to change the cat food. He is next in line to go to the vets for another fungus culture and other tests to get to the bottom of his soft stools.

Tinker Bells culture is still negative so far. It's been 12 days so far. Not much improvement with her ears. They have not gotten worse. I made sure the vet agreed to hold the culture at least 25 days. It can take that long sometimes.

Allergic to lime sulfur??? That's awful!


Maybe that is a good reason to take a vacation in your bedroom w/ the door closed & no kitty's for a day or so after the dips. Let Dear Husband take over for a day. Do you mind saying how much it cost to have your babies dipped? Did they get brushed out and were they dry when you brought them home? I bet you see improvement soon.
 

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Just popping in to see how you ladies are doing. Looks like slow improvements all around, so that's good.

Bunnelina, your allergy to the lime sulfur is like adding insult to injury! *sheez* The silver lining may be as StormySkiez (cool name, btw!) suggested, 'though - you can take a day or two stress break each time the cats are dipped.


Encouragement and support to you both!
 
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Hi StormySkiez,

The groomer charges $160 to dip all four cats. They are dry when they come home but not brushed out; however, I didn't feel any mats. Wendy curls up into a tight ball when she's unhappy so she takes longer to dry, which means the others have to wait for her so they can go home. The process takes about 2 hours. The groomer uses 4 gallons of dip! Imagine! The smell of 1 cup in my house was disgusting enough.

I'm so sorry you are having other medical problems on top of this. Poor Paw. Don't blame yourself; you were trying to help with those new foods. I know how very hard it is to deal with illnesses on top of the ringworm regimen. I was worried our two males were getting the calici virus again, because they sounded hoarse yesterday. They are better today, and I am SO grateful.

I love your idea, but unfortunately, I can't isolate myself in here any better than I can isolate a cat! The route to the litter box in the bathroom is through the bedroom, so I will just have to sneeze and blow my poor nose.

I will keep my fingers crossed that Tinker Bell's culture is negative! It's good it doesn't seem to be spreading; same here. I do wish the spots would start to improve, though.

I want to start culturing ours on Saturday, to get this over with. But it's very expensive, although my vet is trying to find a way to lower the cost. I do have insurance that should cover the kittens, but not the older cats. I hope it covers their dips, too.
 
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I was wondering how someone like Martha Stewart would handle this. She has cats, dogs, and horses, so it's possible this could happen to her. I think she'd begin by setting fire to her house.

It's not a bad idea: if the house is gone, you never have to vacuum it.


I'm considering doing it. I can see the six of us living happily in a van down by the Charles River, which I could just hose down, inside and out, every day. We could camp, live on takeout, and take refreshing baths in the Charles before it freezes over. If we use river water, it would probably kill the ringworm, although we might get typhoid instead.

At least with typhoid, nobody makes you DUST
 

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Originally Posted by Bunnelina

I was wondering how someone like Martha Stewart would handle this. She has cats, dogs, and horses, so it's possible this could happen to her. I think she'd begin by setting fire to her house.

It's not a bad idea: if the house is gone, you never have to vacuum it.


I'm considering doing it. I can see the six of us living happily in a van down by the Charles River, which I could just hose down, inside and out, every day. We could camp, live on takeout, and take refreshing baths in the Charles before it freezes over. If we use river water, it would probably kill the ringworm, although we might get typhoid instead.

At least with typhoid, nobody makes you DUST
the car part reminds me of Hondas insight? it is there cross over vehicle and LITERALLY says it can be hosed down
 

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Originally Posted by Bunnelina

I was wondering how someone like Martha Stewart would handle this. She has cats, dogs, and horses, so it's possible this could happen to her. I think she'd begin by setting fire to her house.

It's not a bad idea: if the house is gone, you never have to vacuum it.


I'm considering doing it. I can see the six of us living happily in a van down by the Charles River, which I could just hose down, inside and out, every day. We could camp, live on takeout, and take refreshing baths in the Charles before it freezes over. If we use river water, it would probably kill the ringworm, although we might get typhoid instead.

At least with typhoid, nobody makes you DUST
Oh, Bunnelina, you are one funny lady.
 
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Hi StormySkiez,

Have you gotten your culture results yet? I hope all is well and that your cats are clear of spots and healthy otherwise, too.

Here at Casa Ringworm, we're basically okay. The kittens' spots seem to be looking a little better, and the older cats still have no spots. All cats have had 3 weekly dips in a row, and we did the first set of cultures (full price @ $92 each!) on Friday. If the results are negative, we should know the day after Christmas.

Which is terrible timing, because I can't decide if it makes sense to get a tree. I can't vacuum a tree....

We are only going to culture the kittens next week, and I hope their insurance will pay for it. I don't have insurance for the older cats, and they are asymptomatic, so we may only re-culture them if their first cultures are positive. This idea came from all 3 vets at our practice, to try to keep our expenses down. Between their pills and all these dips, they should be cured even if they did have it.

The kittens have just 2 more days of Sporanox to go. They hate it and we can't wait to be done with it; 28 days is a long time.

In other news, I am not allergic to Vet Solutions lime sulfur dip. The first brand we used, DermaPet, I think, caused a 48-hour allergy attack. Cats and apt. still reek, but at least my nose lets me smell it. I thought I had ringworm last week and raced to my doctor thinking, "Damn! All this cleaning for nothing!" But it is a rash or else a milder fungus, tinea versicolor, which I've had off and on since I was kid. I used the kittens' clotrimazole lotion and it mostly cleared up the same day. Whew.

Send some news, please, when you have a chance. I'm sending vibes that all is well :
 

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Originally Posted by Bunnelina

esrandall, here I am in Boston, one of the top medical areas, with a vet school and regional animal hospital — and the nearest holistic vets are all more than an hour away... the vet I think I'd like is booked about two weeks in advance, according to her website.
This sounds typical in all the places I have lived, including a couple different states. Believe me, they are worth the drive. Don't go off the website, be proactive and think you can get in. Call them, and tell them you need to get in ASAP. Good luck!
 

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Originally Posted by Bunnelina

Hi StormySkiez,........................................

Send some news, please, when you have a chance. I'm sending vibes that all is well
Hi Bunnelina. Tinker Bells culture was negative. She still has a few brown spots under her ears. Vet said to scrub it 2 times a day with malaseb shampoo for the antibacterial ingreidiant. I have not. I was using malaseb through most of this already. Streek and Paws culture will be ready to read on the 21st. Streek is still chewing on herself. Haven't been able to bring in the others yet. I've lightened up a bit more on the cleaning because I need a break. I'm still doing fungus shampoos when I feel up to it. At least I have not found any new ringworm lesions.

I am very glad to hear the older cats have not broken out with the lesions. It takes what seems like a long time for the hair to grow back on the bald spots. Do you see the kittens hair starting to grow back yet on the spots? Smart move changing the lime sulfur brand.

Tell me, does your vet change smocks after seeing your cats as a precaution? My new vet does not. That scares me. My first Vet did, my second and 3rd vet did not. I asked about it at the vets that don't. They were not worried about spreading ringworm. The third vet told me that lime sulfur and an oral med is what she always prescribes for ringworm.

I don't think I am putting a tree up this year for more then 1 reason. Life has been very hard here. This will be my 1st year ever w/ no tree. I won't have to worry about cleaning decorations. I'm anxious to have a better new year. I'm wishing all my cat fans here a healthy & wonderful new year!
 
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Originally Posted by StormySkiez

Tinker Bells culture was negative.
That is fantastic news! Congratulations! I hope this means that you are finally out of the woods. I can't believe I am waiting anxiously for the day AFTER Christmas this year, because that's when we'll find out about our cultures. IF we're lucky.... If we find out anything before that, it would be bad news, of course.

Originally Posted by StormySkiez

Do you see the kittens hair starting to grow back yet on the spots?
Last Friday, the groomer told us that she thought the kittens' spots looked better and hair was growing back. But this Friday, she agreed that Possum's nose spot is much bigger, and wouldn't speculate on the meaning of that.

The vet who does the cultures also noticed that his spot is bigger, but says the skin looks healthier. She also said that Wendy's ears seemed crustier than last week, but also wouldn't speculate on whether that's from more ringworm, or medication buildup. I never saw crusts on Wendy's ears, but the vet may use a magnifying glass.

So no one can tell us if things are better or worse. I'm so very tired of all this uncertainty and waiting. But there's nothing else we can do.

We dabbed their spots again with lime sulfur this week. I mixed up just 1.5 tsps with 1/2 cup of water and it stank up the whole apt. I had to soak the glass cup and the metal spoons for a day in soapy water. Next time, I'll mix half as much. It's plenty; I just saturate a few cotton balls.

Originally Posted by StormySkiez

Tell me, does your vet change smocks after seeing your cats as a precaution?
I don't know. I know they wear gloves, so I assume they are taking other precautions. But we aren't allowed in back to watch them take the cultures. I believe they are well aware of contagion issues and clean up afterward.

Originally Posted by StormySkiez

I don't think I am putting a tree up this year for more then 1 reason. Life has been very hard here. This will be my 1st year ever w/ no tree. I won't have to worry about cleaning decorations. I'm anxious to have a better new year. I'm wishing all my cat fans here a healthy & wonderful new year!
Well, we really are in this together. I have an idea of what you're going through. We just heard that my husband will be taking a huge reduction in salary at one of his two jobs next fall which, together, added up to one decent salary. On top of that, he was one of two candidates for a fantastic, well-paying, secure teaching job nearby — the job of his dreams, and a rare opening in his very specialized field. But after 20 months of waiting, hoping, and praying, it seems to have been offered to the other candidate this week. So there's not much Christmas spirit in this house: he's devastated and I'm sad and worried. I've been looking for work for more than a year myself but there's been nothing for an old lady, and I don't collect unemployment.

While I'd love to see what my kittens would do with a tree — I assume they'd enjoy climbing and would plan accordingly — we're not in the mood. This will be the first year in 30 that I won't have a gigantic, over-decorated tree. It would look silly in here, with no rugs or curtains, and goofy Indian bedspreads over all the furniture.

i haven't been keeping up with cleaning as religiously as I should, either, but then I see how much dirt collects even on the walls, even after Swiffering them weekly, and I resolve to clean more than ever.

I am trying to be hopeful that 2010 is better than 2009 for us and all of our friends and acquaintances. I hope it brings healthy cats, peace, joy, and security, and all kinds of GOOD NEWS for everyone.
 

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Hi! I read that you said you were going to ask Anitra about helping with calicivirus. My cat has severe gingivitis from calicivirus, and I am looking for help. Did you finally contact Anitra or did you find help for calicivirus? Thank you so much, Helena
 
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