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post #1 of 29
11/2/09 at 4:09am
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Jack did it in style! We needed 2 finals in the top 5 AB. First day we got 2 finals and came close with a 5th (C. Jordon) and 6th Best AB ..................from Australia's guest judge Rod U'ren! (p.s. Amanda - have a surprise for you and the board later re: Rod)

On Sunday morning we got our second 5th Best AB from Dan Lalley - in the first ring too! Jack finalled in all the rings on Sunday....and from our UK judge Anne Gregory we got a 9th Best. She raved about Jack's spotting and color. Rod was equally impressed with Jack too.

It was a great weekend. Now to conquer CFA and Grand there too.


Will post pics when hubby downloads the camera.


BTW we did a silent auction at the show and with hubby's help we got a big box of Thorntons chocolates boy are they good!
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post #2 of 29
11/2/09 at 4:38am
Congratulations
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post #3 of 29
11/2/09 at 6:41am
Congratulations! Hope he'll do the same in CFA!
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post #4 of 29
11/2/09 at 7:17am
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Will be tougher there - only have two CFA shows in our area and I'm not travelling over 6 hours to get to shows just to grand him. Charlie was 9 pts short and Jack is better. So hopefully he can do well at the two shows.
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post #5 of 29
11/2/09 at 7:39am
Congrats Martice!!!!
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post #6 of 29
11/2/09 at 12:58pm
Nice work Martice! ACFA?
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post #7 of 29
11/2/09 at 1:29pm
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Yes - ACFA - American Cat Fanciers Association (TICA actually was formed from ACFA). I show CFA and ACFA.
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post #8 of 29
11/2/09 at 1:37pm
Congratulations
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post #9 of 29
11/2/09 at 2:19pm
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Yes - ACFA - American Cat Fanciers Association (TICA actually was formed from ACFA). I show CFA and ACFA.
Hmmm, maybe so. TICA is much bigger and international, with many more shows. I thought about going to some ACFA shows, but the bengal class is sub-standard IMO, so winning is too easy.

The bengal breeders who can't title their cats in TICA go to ACFA, so I have been really reluctant to go to one of those shows. Among bengal breeders AFCA titles don't count for much.

I'm sure it's much different for other breeds.

I'm sure Jack will kick butt for you in CFA as well. Good luck!
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post #10 of 29
11/2/09 at 2:30pm
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Interesting observation - but I've seen a few top examples of the breeds. Maybe you SHOULD show sometime in ACFA - how will they improve if you don't show them what good Bengals look like

I guess its kinda like how some breeders in CFA would never show in other associations as they think their cats are far superior. I feel that if you have a good cat, it should be able to grand in any association!

Spooky (my white Cornish Rex) was CFA Grand, ACFA Qud Grand and unofficially a TICA Grand - he walked out of the one TICA show he was shown as a Grand and, personally, I thought it was far too easy to grand that way and never went to another

Its personal perference and based on which association has the most shows in your area to attend.
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post #11 of 29
11/2/09 at 2:40pm
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Interesting observation - but I've seen a few top examples of the breeds. Maybe you SHOULD show sometime in ACFA - how will they improve if you don't show them what good Bengals look like

I guess its kinda like how some breeders in CFA would never show in other associations as they think their cats are far superior. I feel that if you have a good cat, it should be able to grand in any association!

Spooky (my white Cornish Rex) was CFA Grand, ACFA Qud Grand and unofficially a TICA Grand - he walked out of the one TICA show he was shown as a Grand and, personally, I thought it was far too easy to grand that way and never went to another

Its personal perference and based on which association has the most shows in your area to attend.
Grand in TICA is not the same as Grand in CFA. You have to get Supreme Grand Champion in TICA to compare to Grand in CFA.
So, you should have continued to show in TICA to see if your Cornie could accomplish that feat. It's not easy!
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post #12 of 29
11/2/09 at 2:43pm
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At the time I didn't understand the whole point count thing. And didn't like how one judge would judge the exact same cats as a specialty one day and the following day do an allbreed.

And this judge didn't final Spooky on Saturday as a specialty, but the very next day with the same group of cats - gave him a top 5 allbreed final - not that still doesn't make a bit of sense to me
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post #13 of 29
11/2/09 at 3:16pm
I was confused on the first day of the TICA show because the points are different.
I was told Cleo became a Champion the first day but I never got anything saying that and it has been a month.
I was told they would mail me something.
Some of the people in CFA asked why I show in TICA also.
They said TICA is sub standard and the breeder of Twilight my sisters sphynx said who wants TICA it does not mean anything if you win.
Twilight was shown in CFA and was in last place in sphynx in every ring.
My sister no longer wants to show her in CFA.
The worse part is Cleo beat the other cat from the same cattery and my sister felt bad.
They do not show in TICA.
My sister will try Twilight in the next TICA show now.
How are the sphynx in ACFA?
I have been told they are sub standard.
I heard they might have a show in Monterey again.
If they do I will go to look around and not show.
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post #14 of 29
11/2/09 at 4:34pm
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Not in my opinion - we have VERY nice cats in all the breeds. I've never said that one association's cats were "sub standard" to any others in a different association.

Like I said, if the cat meets the standard it should be able to grand in any association you show in. I really don't like it when a person puts down another association as being substandard or the cats as substandard.

I don't like the way TICA does their shows, that's all. Not saying its a bad association, just that I don't show there. I prefer ACFA first, then CFA - always have.

If you look at the top cats in all 3 associations, you will find quality cats in all the breeds. CFA tends to be the most extreme with some of the breeds tho. So Jacky, I'd try an ACFA show if one comes up in your area. You can show one day without registering your cat and see how you like it and what you think.

Don't worry about it - show in the association where you do best and that is most convenient for you to travel to - that's what I'm doing.
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post #15 of 29
11/2/09 at 5:53pm
You know how some people are.
I now people that are die hard TICA and people that are die hard CFA and alot of them do not cut each one down.
I will try a ACFA show if one comes around here.
I know Cleo can do ok in both CFA and TICA.
The problem is the way she started acting.
Wrinkles will be a test and her breeder knows that.
I sent her new pictures last night showing her how much her color changed.
I will continue to show in both TICA and CFA no matter what anyone says and will try ACFA it comes around
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post #16 of 29
11/3/09 at 11:23am
Interesting twist to the thread but let me if you will, chime in...

As everyone knows, I breed Abys and the breed standard for Abys are pretty much the same in all registries. I do wish I was allowed to show in the local FIFe shows here and there is now a TICA club but they haven't announced any shows so, I have no idea if they will let me show or not! Frankly, I just love to SHOW OFF my cats!
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post #17 of 29
11/3/09 at 4:33pm
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Interesting twist to the thread but let me if you will, chime in...

As everyone knows, I breed Abys and the breed standard for Abys are pretty much the same in all registries. I do wish I was allowed to show in the local FIFe shows here and there is now a TICA club but they haven't announced any shows so, I have no idea if they will let me show or not! Frankly, I just love to SHOW OFF my cats!
May I ask why you can't show your cats in FIFé? As that's the association I'm most familiar with, I'd like to hear all the weird rules they have (as they do have pretty strict rules IMO).

Congratulations to the OP!
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post #18 of 29
11/3/09 at 5:55pm
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May I ask why you can't show your cats in FIFé? As that's the association I'm most familiar with, I'd like to hear all the weird rules they have (as they do have pretty strict rules IMO).

Congratulations to the OP!
I was wondering that too. And I also say congrats to the OP!
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post #19 of 29
11/3/09 at 8:58pm
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May I ask why you can't show your cats in FIFé? As that's the association I'm most familiar with, I'd like to hear all the weird rules they have (as they do have pretty strict rules IMO).

Congratulations to the OP!
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I was wondering that too. And I also say congrats to the OP!
I have NO IDEA...local club just wont let me enter their shows, nor will they allow a club member to enter my cats into their shows, even their fun shows where there's nothing to be collected, I'm not allowed to enter. There's always some sort of excuse or another. When I tried to join the club and register my cats with FIFE also there was some sort of block...so in the end, I have given up even trying! I even bought CFA pedigrees (which i don't need) for the registration and there's always an excuse....
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post #20 of 29
11/3/09 at 9:08pm
No politics in my post. I know how hard it is to grand, period.

Congratulations Martice. Can't wait to hear about the Rod news.
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post #21 of 29
11/4/09 at 3:57pm
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Not in my opinion - we have VERY nice cats in all the breeds. I've never said that one association's cats were "sub standard" to any others in a different association.

Like I said, if the cat meets the standard it should be able to grand in any association you show in. I really don't like it when a person puts down another association as being substandard or the cats as substandard.

I don't like the way TICA does their shows, that's all. Not saying its a bad association, just that I don't show there. I prefer ACFA first, then CFA - always have.

If you look at the top cats in all 3 associations, you will find quality cats in all the breeds. CFA tends to be the most extreme with some of the breeds tho. So Jacky, I'd try an ACFA show if one comes up in your area. You can show one day without registering your cat and see how you like it and what you think.

Don't worry about it - show in the association where you do best and that is most convenient for you to travel to - that's what I'm doing.
To clarify, for myself, my intent wasn't to put down ACFA, although it may have come across that way in my post. I respect the registry, although I don't show in it. (The rest of my post refers only to USA shows)
Of the bengal breeders who show their cats, nearly all of them choose TICA to show them, so ACFA is way behind the curve. TICA is the place where bengal cats earn their recognition in the cat fancy......for the time being.

I suppose it would be beneficial to ACFA if more mainstream bengal breeders would show cats at their shows. Maybe that will come to pass as time goes by.

ACFA has very few shows in our surrounding area, but I will start checking their show schedule more often to see if we can exhibit at a show within reasonable traveling distance.

CFA hates the wild hybrid-cats, which includes the Bengal, so I am fully in support of ALL legitimate registries that support and encourage Bengal breeders. Whether I show my cats in their registry or not, I do support their
efforts and my intention is not to disparage them
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post #22 of 29
11/4/09 at 7:09pm
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No hard feelings Nial - hope you can find an ACFA show to test. TICA was the first to recognize the Bengals, then ACFA, so I'll agree we are behind. I'd be surprised if CFA ever accepts any of the breeds with wild cat backgrounds.
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post #23 of 29
11/4/09 at 7:15pm
I doubt they ever will.
They had a fit when they found out I show TY and a judge accused someone I benched with of having a part Bengal in HHP.
They adopted the cat from the pound and she is listed as DSH.
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post #24 of 29
11/5/09 at 2:41am
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I doubt they ever will.
They had a fit when they found out I show TY and a judge accused someone I benched with of having a part Bengal in HHP.
They adopted the cat from the pound and she is listed as DSH.
Even if the cat were part bengal, that shouldn't be a against their rules, because the cat would be a mix, no papers and one could easily claim that the parentage of the cat was unknown and therefore a HHP.

Technically a bengal without papers should be able to be shown in HHP because it's parentage is not known. Then they could really have a fit.
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post #25 of 29
11/5/09 at 5:27am
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Nial that was one of the reasons why CFA is against Bengals - for the simple reason that someone DID show a 1/2 Bengal in the HHP classes and word got out about it.

I don't know when it happened or where, but that's what was said - maybe the person told another and a judge or someone told a judge and all H broke loose - so CFA totally bans any cat that has wild in the background now.
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post #26 of 29
11/5/09 at 10:00am
The lady will keep showing her in both CFA and TICA anyway.
She prefers TICA because you get titles for HHP and she also shows a Toyger.
I bet there are cats that are part Bengal being shown in HHP anyway.
It can not be proved if they have Bengal in them.
Another thing that is happening is people are getting mad because they come to the shows looking for breeds that are not allowed in CFA.
They get pretty mad when we tell them those breeds are not allowed.
I did tell a few people to come to Pleasanton to see the Bengals.
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post #27 of 29
11/5/09 at 10:22am
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I've never seen anyone "mad" cause there was not a Bengal in a CFA show. Half the time they do think that Charlie and Jack are Bengals - dispite the fact that I have a sign on the pictures "I'm an Ocicat"

So we just tell them - "no he's an Ocicat, not a Bengal, CFA doesn't allow the cats with wildcat in the background in the showhall".

They never seem mad to me
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post #28 of 29
11/5/09 at 10:37am
They always think the Oci's are Bengals here.
The worse thing that happened was when a judge was asked if the Oci's were Bengals.
You should have seen the loo on the judges face.
That happened at Cleos first show.
My friend said she gets alot of people that get mad.
I only had it happen once to me.
There are 69 kittens entered at Sats show but I am not going on sat because my sisters sphynx is coming.
I like showing in both CFA and TICA.
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post #29 of 29
11/6/09 at 6:31pm
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Even if the cat were part bengal, that shouldn't be a against their rules, because the cat would be a mix, no papers and one could easily claim that the parentage of the cat was unknown and therefore a HHP.

Technically a bengal without papers should be able to be shown in HHP because it's parentage is not known. Then they could really have a fit.
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They always think the Oci's are Bengals here.
The worse thing that happened was when a judge was asked if the Oci's were Bengals.
You should have seen the loo on the judges face.
That happened at Cleos first show.
My friend said she gets alot of people that get mad.
I only had it happen once to me.
There are 69 kittens entered at Sats show but I am not going on sat because my sisters sphynx is coming.
I like showing in both CFA and TICA.
You make us monsters sound like judges...I mean us judges sound like monsters.
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