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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I apologize for this being incredibly long.

I moved into my apartment about 2 and a half years ago, with my fiance, my dog, cat, and room mate and her dog. At this point in time my cat had never had an issue with not using the litter box. I even acquired 5 more cats (litter of kittens that were abandoned at my work)and still no issues. All the kittens but one were rehomed and the two remaining kittys did just fine. Too make a long story short my room mate was too lazy to housetrain her dog. Over the course of the several months she lived here she brought home several animals and basically let them destroy the house. I'm talking like instead of putting a litter box in she just put litter on the floor of her closet and let the cat use that. There were many other issues with the roommate, drugs, etc. It got so bad that my fiance and I along with our dog and cats basically lived in our bedroom. Through all of this we never had a problem.

The room mate finally left and it took us months to clean up the apartment. Recarpeting was not an option so we cleaned everything as well as we could. We could no longer smell the roomies previous animals but apparently the cats could and they started urinating and defecating outside of the box. We eventually decided to once again confine them to the bedroom but by this point the behavior had become a habit. Things went pretty well for the most part as long as litter boxes were changed twice a day but they were still having accidents which gradually got more and more frequent.

I then did something incredibly stupid. I added a third cat. She was a 5 month old who was also abandoned at my job and was headed for the animal shelter where she was to be euthanized because she had a broken femur and possible fractured pelvis. She was still full of live and could get around pretty well despite her injuries so I brought her home. She has made a complete turnaround since then and is doing absolutely wonderful, running, jumping, etc so in a way I am happy I gave her a chance but at the same time I know that I was an idiot for adding another animal when there was already a problem in the household. Please don't flame me for this I really do realize it was a big mistake.

So now I have all 3 cats and were having pretty regular accidents. I have narrowed it down to the first cat and I don't believe she is using the litter box at all. The other two don't seem to have a problem and I see them use the litterbox on a daily basis, although I can't prove that they don't also go outside the box.
I am a vet tech and have had everyone examined for medical issues. I've tried cleaning with enzyme cleaners but I'm pretty sure that it's not going to make a difference without tearing up the carpet, which we are not allowed to do.

My fiance is absolutely at his witts end with these cats. He wants them gone (and I do understand his side because it's disgusting) and we have been fighting over this pretty badly over the last few weeks. We are in the process of buying a new home and should be moving within the month. Part of me thinks that the new house will stop the problem, new carpets - etc. The more realistic side of me thinks that the stress of the move witll just make it that much worse. Fiance absolutely doesn't want all 3 cats in the new house. We cannot afford to have the replace carpets right after moving in. I understand that. However I love my cats and I just don't know what to do. I'm finally going to have a nice, new, clean house instead of this dump and I want it to stay that way! At the same time I don't want to just dump the cats on the side of the road (no we would not actually abandon them, but how do I know that the next owner wont if I rehome them?)

We currently have 3 litter boxes and they only use one, and occasionally the second. I'm thinking about buying a feliway diffuser and new boxes and litter but I don't see the problem stopping while in this house. The boy also absolutely refuses to risk them peeing/defecating in the new house. The first thing he asks me when he gets home is if I've figured out what I'm going to do with the cats. Does anyone have any suggestions I haven't thought of? If it does come down to finding new homes how do I go about doing THAT. It is hard enough with kittens - there are just so many out there. How the heck do I find a good forever home for an adult cat with known issues? I hear the "my cat peeed in the house so I want it gone" on a pretty much daily basis at work and I don't want to be that person but I really don't know what to do... The new house is on a 55 mph road so I am worried about them being outside cats.
post #2 of 15
Here's some suggestions:

Replace all your litter boxes with Sterilite Clearview 66 qt. tubs. They are a great size for cats, the cats feel safe using them because they can see through them and won't get frightened by another cat/dog approaching them while using the litter box. They are also less likely to kick litter around I changed my girls to these, and wasn't sure about it, so I had one tub and one of the old litter trays down (which was a fairly big size), and they stopped using the old litter tray and used the tub exclusively.

Where are the litter boxes? Are they somewhere the dog can get to them? Make sure they are in an area away from the dog (maybe elevated?), and make sure they are somewhere where the cats can have a clear view of the entire room, so can see if the dog or another cat is approaching.

Change over to Cat Attract litter for a while, or put the Cat Attract additive in their litter trays. In this thread there's a form you can use to get a rebate on one bag of this particular litter - http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=206606.

Get a UV light (I got one for $15 from my local pet store), and go over all surfaces to find all the pee stains, and use the enzyme cleaner, and keep doing it until you can't find any more stains.

Provide more vertical space for the kitties - bookshelves they can get onto, or find some sturdy wood, glue/nail carpet onto it, attach it to some brackets and attach it to the wall - you can do that for about $5 each step, and make a bunch of steps along the wall for the cats to walk along and sleep on. They will feel more comfortable being high up.

Run Feliway diffusers around the apartment, or get Feliway spray and spray it in the areas the cats are mostly peeing.

All this needs to be done now and in the new place. Start the cats off (or just the main culprit) in a small area in the new place with the big tubs, Feliway, vertical space etc., then slowly introduce him to the rest of the house once the urinating is under control. I bet it will help
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply.

With the sterilite containers do you just leave them open on top or do you cut a hole out?

Is there any specific enzyme cleaner you guys reccomend? I haven't had much luck with natures miracle. Are there any that can be used in a carpet cleaner? I was thinking of getting a black light and renting a rug doctor and going crazy this weekend lol.
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by Pretttywaste View Post
Thanks for the reply.

With the sterilite containers do you just leave them open on top or do you cut a hole out?

Is there any specific enzyme cleaner you guys reccomend? I haven't had much luck with natures miracle. Are there any that can be used in a carpet cleaner? I was thinking of getting a black light and renting a rug doctor and going crazy this weekend lol.
Rug Doctor have their own Enzyme cleaner... Do not put a lid on the Sterilite container - By the way: go to Best buy, they have these containers for little $$$!
A great enzyme cleaner is Anti icky poo - IMO the best.... But here is the deal - you need A LOT!!! You can't just spray on it... You need to really pour on it, and soak the carpet and make sure it goes through all layers... (this is for any enzyme cleaner, BTY) An Enzyme cleaner will also take a couple of weeks to completely work, so you need to watch that area carefully... It is work!
Good luck!!
post #5 of 15
I have a question. I understand you leave the lid off, but do you cut a hole in the side for them to go through or do you just them to jump over the top?
post #6 of 15
They jump - you do not need to cut the boxes - unless they are kittens, then get the 33 qt. instead, the one for under the bed; it has lower sides, and is perfect for kittens... If the kitten is 7-8 months old though, it should be able to jump over already.
post #7 of 15
Hey Pretty,

Aaaawwww you did *not* do something incredibly stupid when you rescued that kitty, you did something incredibly *wonderful* and kind! God Bless you for that!

I know you said you haven't had much luck with the Nature's Miracle, but a quick question if that's ok. When you used it, did you pour the liquid generously over the area? It has to be enough to soak all the way down to the padding of the carpet to be effective. And you do have to shake the bottle before use.

If you did that, and it didn't work for you, then I recommend you go ahead and try the enzyme Carolinalimi recommends, but as she says you really have to soak the area all the way down to the padding for the product to be effective.

Definitely try as Sarahp suggested, using the catattract, that could make a big difference. I would also try the Feliway, it could help!

About your fiance, maybe you can talk to him and explain how much the cats mean to you and maybe he can give them another chance. There is a strong possibility that in a new house with new carpeting and none of the old smells that the problem will correct itself.

If he is really adamant and still wants you to get rid of the cats, it could possibly present a problem for you in the future. Because from reading your post, it's obvious you are a cat lover at heart and you just cannot change that. It also tells me that sometime down the line you will want another kitty. Will your fiance be OK with this? It's something you need to think over.

If you do decide to go ahead and rehome them, make your fiance a part of the process. Insist he help you find good homes for them, homes where they will be loved and well treated and especially where the new owners would agree to not have them declawed.


You're in a tough spot right now, and whatever you decide we will all support you!

Good luck and please keep us posted!
post #8 of 15
Re odor, I've had luck with a product called Zero Odor (you can see a video at http://www.zeroodor.com/). It's a little pricey ($13 for a 16 ounce spray bottle, last time I was at bed bath & beyond), but, for me, it's been terrific as far as getting odor out the carpets. BB&B is also good at refunds, if it doesn't work as well for you.

I also have used Feliway, which is nice for calming kitties down in my experience. And, yes, I swear by Cat Attract litter - it also have a money back guarantee, and my vet recommended it when I was have box issues with my boy.

BTW, in your new place, is the carpet already down? I understand there's a new pad product that is designed for pet-friendly homes - apparently it is far more resistant to just soaking up accidents than traditional padding. The guy at Ace Hardware told me about it!

Good luck - it's a stressful time for you all, and I hope you can find something that will make life happier for all of you, fiance and kitties included!
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
Here's some suggestions:...Replace all your litter boxes with Sterilite Clearview 66 qt. tubs. They are a great size for cats, the cats feel safe using them because they can see through them and won't get frightened by another cat/dog approaching them while using the litter box.

Where are the litter boxes? Are they somewhere the dog can get to them? Make sure they are in an area away from the dog (maybe elevated?), and make sure they are somewhere where the cats can have a clear view of the entire room, so can see if the dog or another cat is approaching.

Change over to Cat Attract litter for a while, or put the Cat Attract additive in their litter trays. In this thread there's a form you can use to get a rebate on one bag of this particular litter - http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=206606.

Get a UV light (I got one for $15 from my local pet store), and go over all surfaces to find all the pee stains, and use the enzyme cleaner, and keep doing it until you can't find any more stains.

Provide more vertical space for the kitties - bookshelves they can get onto, or find some sturdy wood, glue/nail carpet onto it, attach it to some brackets and attach it to the wall - you can do that for about $5 each step, and make a bunch of steps along the wall for the cats to walk along and sleep on. They will feel more comfortable being high up.

Run Feliway diffusers around the apartment, or get Feliway spray and spray it in the areas the cats are mostly peeing.

All this needs to be done now and in the new place. Start the cats off (or just the main culprit) in a small area in the new place with the big tubs, Feliway, vertical space etc., then slowly introduce him to the rest of the house once the urinating is under control. I bet it will help
The emphasis is mine. I strongly support all of these steps, most especially restricting the space of the cats, although from your post, it seems like this no longer works. Is there a room in the house that hasn't been soiled? Perhaps confine the cats to that room until you move, and then pick a room in your new house (congrats on that, by the way!!) and confine them there (this is actually a good suggestion for any move).

Good luck!! This is a tough, tough situation. You did the right and good thing by rescuing that third kitty and it's not your fault (or hers) that your current apartment smells (to them) like a giant litterbox. <<<<<hugs>>>>> And I would try not to let your fiance force you to choose between him or the cats - that's a lose-lose-lose proposition that's likely to haunt your marriage forever.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post

Good luck!! This is a tough, tough situation. You did the right and good thing by rescuing that third kitty and it's not your fault (or hers) that your current apartment smells (to them) like a giant litterbox. <<<<<hugs>>>>> And I would try not to let your fiance force you to choose between him or the cats - that's a lose-lose-lose proposition that's likely to haunt your marriage forever.

I couldn't agree more!
post #11 of 15
I have to agree with the last two posts. Several years ago my hubby and I lived in an apartment and had one cat. She had a habit of peeing in the clean laundry. He told me he wanted to get rid of the cat, I told him no. He told me it was either him or the cat and told him to pack his crap and get out.

He stayed. The cat stayed. He has never tried that again.
post #12 of 15
Hi, I can understand where you're coming from totally, I have one cat that pees up my fish tank cabinet-but I have worked out only when its raining does she do this-why I do not know but whenever it rains now, I just really keep my eye on her and we don't get too many accidents,one of my other cats used to wee on a particular rug that I had, I eventually wrecked the rug with having to keep washing it and since the rug is gone, she has stopped doing it. My hubby was the same as yours at one point as we have not long been in this house and he felt that the cats were wrecking it, he said I had to get rid of them all, he is not the greatest cat lover-he was the same asking me every day what I was going to do, in the end I put my foot down and said the cats are staying and he could do whatever he liked, well I still have my cats and him. I did buy some pet behave spray off ebay and it did work but it has to be used atleast twice a day. I did also invest in a cat litter tray/house off ebay, not sure if they sell them where you are, look on ebay, they prob would be better than a sterilite container as they have a door-will find you a link for one-
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=h...ouse&_osacat=0

you can take the door off if they don't like it, my cats love it and easy to clean, reduces smells and gives the cats more privacy.
I can't say whether your cats will continue to wee in your new home but my gut feeling is that they can just still smell the other animals and thats why they are doing it, if you (or rather your other half) doesn't give them a chance how will he know. I undrestand his feelings as I did my hubbys but I love my cats and I wasn't prepared to give up on them, I do all the cleaning in our house so it was really me who was suffering. I hope you have some luck.x
post #13 of 15
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Good luck!! This is a tough, tough situation. You did the right and good thing by rescuing that third kitty and it's not your fault (or hers) that your current apartment smells (to them) like a giant litterbox. <<<<<hugs>>>>> And I would try not to let your fiance force you to choose between him or the cats - that's a lose-lose-lose proposition that's likely to haunt your marriage forever.
my thoughts, exactly. About saving the kitten, yes, and especially the last part. No one has the right to tell you to get rid of your pets. No one.

In my opinion, confining them to one room (whatever room you intend to keep most litter boxes in, ideally) for two weeks after the move will prevent the problem from carrying over, as long as you are positive the house you are moving into does not have any pet soiling in it.

In addition to the one room, install feliway plug in diffusers in that room, and other rooms through out the new house.

To be sure the new house is pet accident free get a black light and shine it everywhere. Any pee or poop stains will show.

I have a feeling the landlord is going to want to replace the carpet after you move out, after all. The landlord could have saved some money by letting you do it!
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
Bah! I have had the flu and haven't had a chance to do much of anything this past week but am reading all your suggestions and am so glad to hear there is hope! Thank you all so much for your replies.

I did want to point out that my fiance has NEVER asked me to choose between him or the cats. It's not the cats he dislikes, it's that they are absolutely destroying the place and we are not spending several thousand dollars on a new home for them to do it again. He would like to keep them - but if it's a choice between keeping them and our new home becoming like this place... then no, he doesn't want to keep them. And honestly I don't blame him at all. The one cat had stopped using the litter box completely - and as much as I try to clean the room where they are staying it is pretty disgusting.

I do have good news though. When I got the third kitty I had her crated temporarily and in the crate she had just one of those little plastic cat boxes you get at Walmart for 3 bucks filled with regular clay, non clumping, unscented litter. Welllll while cleaning out that crate I ended up leaving the litter box out and lo and behold problem kitty has decided to use it. She's not one hundred percent and I'm still planning to try all the above suggestions but it's a START and I'm so excited that she is even using a box now.
post #15 of 15
I hope it all works out. Sounds like maybe problem kitty wants a different type of box and litter than she is used to having.
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