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Computer illiterate taking lead on Net Neutrality

post #1 of 26
10/26/09 at 4:33pm
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John McCain, who stated plainly in an interview that he has to rely on his wife for computer usage because he is "an illiterate", is the very politician spearheading the fight against net neutrality.

Does he even know what Net Neutrality is? A net that can be used to catch any kind of wild animal, perhaps? When he hears "server", does he think of the cute one at Denny's? When he hears IP, does he...well, never mind.

I believe that all he knows is, that the people who send him checks all the time don't like it (such as AT&T), and he therefore has to do something about it.

Just think; we could have had this corporate flunky as President
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post #2 of 26
10/26/09 at 4:45pm
... he probably has a team of expert advisers on this topic working for him. It would be a bit much to ask of a politician (or indeed any other person) to be an expert at everything .

regards,

Christine
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post #3 of 26
10/26/09 at 4:56pm
McCain is proving that when we the people spoke, we made the right choice! I shudder to think where we would be as a country now if he had been elected!
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post #4 of 26
10/26/09 at 5:46pm
On the very same downward slope we continue to be on.
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post #5 of 26
10/26/09 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by cjh27 View Post
... he probably has a team of expert advisers on this topic working for him. It would be a bit much to ask of a politician (or indeed any other person) to be an expert at everything .

regards,

Christine
Actually, I think HE is probably working for the team of experts. He would appear to merely be their mouthpiece.

I could see him consulting experts on how to vote on such a measure...but when someone who knows nothing about an issue is the one who actually introduces a measure about it, it's quite obvious that it's payola.
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post #6 of 26
10/26/09 at 9:15pm
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On the very same downward slope we continue to be on.
My thoughts exactly...same slope, different details. Like, under McCain, the big corporations probably wouldn't have to pay any of the stimulus money back, and the rest would have been released to them long ago.
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post #7 of 26
10/27/09 at 9:58am
Kind of reminds me of all that military experience that qualifies Obama as commander in chief.

Do you suppose he even knows what an AK47 is? Maybe he thinks it's an interstate in Alaska? Haha.

So AT&T contributed to John McCain. Who do you suppose Google contributes to?
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post #8 of 26
10/27/09 at 10:56am
Seeing as we have some members that are a little less computer savvy themselves, it might be a good idea to explain what Net Neutrality is in a simplified form (I don't do simplified very well, so if someone else can sum if up better please do).
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post #9 of 26
10/27/09 at 11:35am
Sorry, I didn't see any discussion of the issue actually going on. It looked like just a good 'ol McCain bash to me.

Both sides covered here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
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post #10 of 26
10/27/09 at 11:45am
^Probably because those who know what he's pushing for know how stupid it is? What I don't get is that he claims it will keep the internet free and support job/business growth. Blocking stuff will not do that. Just more proof that he, and many others, have no clue what they're talking about.


I don't know about everyone else, but I don't want my ISP to be able to say "you can't use netflix, youtube, or play online games" or charge me another $60 for the bandwidth those use. Most ISPs are already trying to block and slow traffic as it is, leaving using alternative (or many) ports and encryption as an alternative.
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post #11 of 26
10/27/09 at 1:28pm
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Kind of reminds me of all that military experience that qualifies Obama as commander in chief.
Gee wiz, so to become the President of the United States of America a person should best have worked in a hospital for a while (to cover heath reforms), in a school as a teacher (educational issues), in the military (commander in chief thingy), at MacDolanlds, als a Stockbroker (to understand how bank managers minds work), in a small, family run buisness and in a multinational, lived as a homeless for a few months and not to forget on a farm in the mid west

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Sorry, I didn't see any discussion of the issue actually going on. It looked like just a good 'ol McCain bash to me.
Jupp, I was thinking the same.

regards,

christine
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post #12 of 26
10/27/09 at 5:14pm
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McCain is proving that when we the people spoke, we made the right choice! I shudder to think where we would be as a country now if he had been elected!
Oh
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post #13 of 26
10/27/09 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
Kind of reminds me of all that military experience that qualifies Obama as commander in chief.

Do you suppose he even knows what an AK47 is? Maybe he thinks it's an interstate in Alaska? Haha.

So AT&T contributed to John McCain. Who do you suppose Google contributes to?
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post #14 of 26
10/27/09 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by cjh27 View Post
Gee wiz, so to become the President of the United States of America a person should best have worked in a hospital for a while (to cover heath reforms), in a school as a teacher (educational issues), in the military (commander in chief thingy), at MacDolanlds, als a Stockbroker (to understand how bank managers minds work), in a small, family run buisness and in a multinational, lived as a homeless for a few months and not to forget on a farm in the mid west
Yeah, I was thinking that men probably don't deserve a vote on the abortion issue either.

I think it's interesting that the men who were basically founders of the internet (from what I read anyway) are split on the issue. (No, not Al Gore) I imagine they have a better grasp on the issue than John McCain, and probably most of us here for that matter. I've read a lot about this, and it's tough reading. The part where somebody just blurts out their opinion isn't, but the actual technical info is for sure enough to make you dizzy.
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post #15 of 26
10/27/09 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
Sorry, I didn't see any discussion of the issue actually going on. It looked like just a good 'ol McCain bash to me.

Both sides covered here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
Of course there is, because Net Neutrality ISN'T the issue from my OP. The issue is the fact that a man that is clueless on the subject has gone far beyond making a stand on it...he is, in fact, introducing measures on it. If he had become President, what other wonderful measures would we have seen purchased by his overseers?
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post #16 of 26
10/27/09 at 6:27pm
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McCain is proving that when we the people spoke, we made the right choice! I shudder to think where we would be as a country now if he had been elected!
Naa. We should have elected Huckabee. He plays a mean guitar; then at least we would have had a President that can do something.

As it turned out, I voted for Ralph.
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post #17 of 26
10/27/09 at 6:31pm
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Kind of reminds me of all that military experience that qualifies Obama as commander in chief.

Do you suppose he even knows what an AK47 is? Maybe he thinks it's an interstate in Alaska? Haha.

So AT&T contributed to John McCain. Who do you suppose Google contributes to?
Numerous large ISP's donate to McCain, and he seems to be one of, if not the, largest benefactor of their generosity. I'm not posting the links, because every article on that allows comments, and some of the comments aren't pretty...but, they're not hard to find.
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post #18 of 26
10/27/09 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
^Probably because those who know what he's pushing for know how stupid it is? What I don't get is that he claims it will keep the internet free and support job/business growth. Blocking stuff will not do that. Just more proof that he, and many others, have no clue what they're talking about.


I don't know about everyone else, but I don't want my ISP to be able to say "you can't use netflix, youtube, or play online games" or charge me another $60 for the bandwidth those use. Most ISPs are already trying to block and slow traffic as it is, leaving using alternative (or many) ports and encryption as an alternative.
Looks to me like you did a darn good job covering it.

Large national ISP's that offer additional services, such as cable/satt TV and telephones services, don't want to see online services such as Hulu or Snipe cut into their profits, so they want to be able to restrict access to those services while promoting their own. Net Neutrality would prevent that, but it would cut into the profits of the ISP's, and that would hurt "follow the money McCain's" bottom line.
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post #19 of 26
10/27/09 at 6:40pm
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Yeah, I was thinking that men probably don't deserve a vote on the abortion issue either.
I would tend to agree with this...honestly.
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post #20 of 26
10/27/09 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by cjh27 View Post
Gee wiz, so to become the President of the United States of America a person should best have worked in a hospital for a while (to cover heath reforms), in a school as a teacher (educational issues), in the military (commander in chief thingy), at MacDolanlds, als a Stockbroker (to understand how bank managers minds work), in a small, family run buisness and in a multinational, lived as a homeless for a few months and not to forget on a farm in the mid west
Well if we expect a Senator to have experience in everything, Presidents would too
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post #21 of 26
10/27/09 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
Well if we expect a Senator to have experience in everything, Presidents would too
Why would we expect them to have experience in everything? We only ask if they're going to spearhead a measure, that they have at least a little bit of a clue about what they're spearheading, and not doing because it's financially beneficial to their corporate "base".

edit: Oops, sorry. Just read the post you were replying too, and you've got a good point in that case.
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post #22 of 26
10/27/09 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Why would we expect them to have experience in everything? We only ask if they're going to spearhead a measure, that they have at least a little bit of a clue about what they're spearheading, and not doing because it's financially beneficial to their corporate "base".

edit: Oops, sorry. Just read the post you were replying too, and you've got a good point in that case.
I agree with you. Sadly, the vast majority of politicians in Washington don't feel a need to listen to their constituents because they feel they know what is best for us. Arrogance at it's finest. Career politicians only feel a need to do what is best for their bank accounts.
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post #23 of 26
10/27/09 at 11:32pm
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Looks to me like you did a darn good job covering it.

Large national ISP's that offer additional services, such as cable/satt TV and telephones services, don't want to see online services such as Hulu or Snipe cut into their profits, so they want to be able to restrict access to those services while promoting their own. Net Neutrality would prevent that, but it would cut into the profits of the ISP's, and that would hurt "follow the money McCain's" bottom line.
I didn't know that I did? Honestly, I'd prefer somewhere in the middle - no blocking us paying costumers. But if ISPs want to offer faster services to those who want to pay more, fine. Basically the same as it is now, but without them blocking and slowing people down below what bandwidth they've paid for. (note: I hate peak time capping)

Could you imagine if other utilities lobbied to allow this? Regular customers only getting electricity, gas, or water delivered to them in smaller amounts and not during "peak times" or such.. Would any politician honestly get behind this?

But if net neutrality is passed, as mentioned the telecommunication companies won't have as many incentives to keep upgrading their delivery systems and speed. Would government pick up that end? Such as in other countries (think Scandinavian countries). That could go round and round and be a somewhat valid argument to let the telecommunications companies control everything - but not a good enough of one.

The only sad fact about McCain being involved in this is that he's so out of touch with current technology that he can't understand what he's doing - or that he's really so greedy that he doesn't care.

If anyone can't tell. I'd honestly rather discuss something that goes somewhere then have people constantly slinging useless insults back and forth. If that's all anyone wants to do, why not just make a thread called "useless needling at each other" or something along those lines.
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post #24 of 26
10/28/09 at 12:11am
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The only sad fact about McCain being involved in this is that he's so out of touch with current technology that he can't understand what he's doing - or that he's really so greedy that he doesn't care.
That was the whole point I was making.

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If anyone can't tell. I'd honestly rather discuss something that goes somewhere then have people constantly slinging useless insults back and forth. If that's all anyone wants to do, why not just make a thread called "useless needling at each other" or something along those lines.
I'll leave it to McCain to argue his position. I'll also bet that teleprompters are involved.

I wasn't being insulting...I didn't call him a pathetic lying muslim terrorist loving thug even once.
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post #25 of 26
10/28/09 at 12:32am
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That was the whole point I was making.



I'll leave it to McCain to argue his position. I'll also bet that teleprompters are involved.

I wasn't being insulting...I didn't call him a pathetic lying muslim terrorist loving thug even once.
Me neither, I just find politicians to be useless.

I'm with strange_wings on this issue. I'm paying for a certain level of service from the local company so I expect to maintain that level of service. I hope I understood what you were saying.
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post #26 of 26
10/28/09 at 12:37am
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I wasn't being insulting...I didn't call him a pathetic lying muslim terrorist loving thug even once.
Oh I don't care about you insulting McCain, I meant people on here using it as a way to pick at each other. Anytime politics come up it happens, same time anything even remotely has to do with religion. If it wasn't happening people wouldn't get defensive. I'm seeing it happen quite often where threads just sort of turn into that. Oh well..
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