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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091025/D9BI4D6O1.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They're all more profitable than the health insurance industry. In the health care debate, Democrats and their allies have gone after insurance companies as rapacious profiteers making "immoral" and "obscene" returns while "the bodies pile up."

Ledgers tell a different reality. Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two. That's anemic compared with other forms of insurance and a broad array of industries, even some beleaguered ones.
Taking this article as truth, since when is a 6% profit, immoral or obscene?
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Profit is what is left over after expenses are subtracted from revenues. And of course, part of their expenses are employe compensation:

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Based on this, the next time you want to argue with your Primary Care doctor's front desk about a $5.00 co-pay, remember that he makes an average of $149,000.00 per year. On the other hand -- using United Healthcare as an example -- your insurance company paid their CEO -- one man -- $324,000,000 over a recent five year period.
http://blogs.webmd.com/mad-about-med...thcare-is.html

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One wonders, discretion being the better part of valor, if the clamor for health care reform and the pursuit of a Public Plan, has counseled caution –for the time being– regarding executive compensation. If the timing for further compensation has merely been adjusted so as to backload payments until after the health care reform debate is settled. Either way, the numbers pretty much speak for themselves. Perhaps a slight bit of context is in order, however: it has struck me that Aetna’s Ronald Williams received $24,300,112 last year. That’s $467,309.85 per week. That’s a house. Maybe not a house that Mr. Williams would live in, but a house nonetheless. The man makes a house a week. And interestingly enough, if Mr. Williams were to eschew the purchase of a house on any given week and instead look to deposit the money in a bank– in order to remain FDIC insured (up to $250,000)– he would actually need to open more than one account–every week.
http://www.healthreformwatch.com/200...ation-in-2008/

Yes those poor health insurance companies aren't able to score big profits - perhaps because of the exorbitant compensation paid to their CEOs?
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Based on this, the next time you want to argue with your Primary Care doctor's front desk about a $5.00 co-pay, remember that he makes an average of $149,000.00 per year. On the other hand -- using United Healthcare as an example -- your insurance company paid their CEO -- one man -- $324,000,000 over a recent five year period.
You, actually, call the above, "exorbitant"? Really?
Because I sure don't.

Okay, I read that wrong. Yes 324 million is to much for one man, but that one man is the exception, your link say the average is about 15 million a year, which I do not consider exorbitant when compared to those Wall Street fools.

And the figures you cite above are nothing compared to the 60 BILLION A YEAR in Medicare Fraud that our government doesn't seem to want to do anything about. IMO, that 60 BILLION A YEAR, makes the salaries of the health insurance CEO's look like peanuts.

If a public option is passed, I wonder what the yearly fraud amount will go up to?
500 Billion maybe?

Anyone watch 60 Minutes last night on Medicare Fraud?



http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...out-our-govern

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Kroft spoke with FBI special agent Brian Waterman and Kirk Ogrosky, a top justice department prosecutor:

BRIAN WATERMAN, FBI: There's a healthcare fraud industry where people do nothing but recruit patients, get patient lists, find doctors, look on the Internet, find different scams. There are entire groups and entire organizations of people that are dedicated to nothing but committing fraud, finding a better way to steal from Medicare

KROFT: Is the Medicare fraud business bigger than the drug business in Miami now?

KIRK OGROSKY, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT: I think it's way bigger.
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If anyone would like to watch the full episode of 60 Minutes Expose on Medicare Fraud, the link is below. I feel this is a far greater problem than worrying about the CEO's of the health insurers.


http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes/video/?cid=60 Minutes/60 Minutes Full Episodes&pid=GQIzNJWFeZA3_UdBSl8JcB58XdIud78c&category=episodes&play=true
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