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post #1 of 20
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What ever happened to good old-fashioned religion?
On Wednesday, I arrived early to read the New Testatment and read in Romans that Christians should be good citizens and realize that our government's rulers are allowed to rule because it is God's will and to obey the laws of the government. Then the preaching starts & the minister goes off on the Anti-HateCrime bill which he says will make him a criminal because he will continue to be against homosexuality and that the feds are going to arrest him for it....Then on Thursday, at another church, my daughter goes to a YoungPeople's worship & they show a patriotic film that says that liberals are trying to persecute the patriotic ones by outlawing guns I can't abide fearmongering because I prefer to consider things, and make an informed opinion and am willing to educate myself - besides, surrounded by lawyers & defendants makes me less skittish than my friends who blindly accept the preaching and then are full of fear because of "Them".
Aren't there any old-fashioned churches anymore? the kind where we go to worship & get "recharged" to go out & help the sick, the jailed, the lonely, the discouraged, the poor....you know, all the people that Jesus said that when we did for the least of those, we have done for Him
I feel kinda lonely writing this - the only time I can get help for others is when I appeal to cat lovers who have offered their resources for helping kitties in need I find that they help people too, even the overweight disabled & the drunk who's reaching out; kindness is not just for kitties & puppies
post #2 of 20
What a shame that these so-called "churches" are straying from their mission to provide spiritual replenishment and moral guidance and instead have become the tools of the right wing paranoids.

Are there any Unitarian Universalists where you are? That was the only church I considered getting married in.
post #3 of 20
Find a new church, they are not all like that, mine isn't.
post #4 of 20
That's one reason I no longer go to church. I can't stand the hypocricy.

One doesn't have to go to church to be a good person and be a good Christian. Hate mongers, in my opionion, are NOT Christians. I don't know what they are. My way or the highway and no tolerance for anyone or anything that doesn't march in lockstep with what they preach is not what Jesus would do. Religion is being used to push personal agendas and it's sad that there are so many people who can't think for themselves enough to separate the holy from the unholy.
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Find a new church, they are not all like that, mine isn't.
I'm trying In Oildale, I belonged to a wonderful, dynamic Methodist church, but the one here isn't the same. I need to find an outgoing congregation that my daughter will be enriched by. The more traditional churches are so used to those they already know that newcomers just kinda show up unnoticed. And some of the other evangelistic ones quickly lose interest when they find out that I'm "already saved" . But I know in my heart of hearts, I'll find some great group of people. Actually, I really like the congregation of the latest one I've tried - it's the political preaching that distracts me from my worship
post #6 of 20
This is why we don't patronize the "traditional" churches. Our church is non-demoninational. Its a BIBLE teaching church. A lot of the traditional churches have gotten off track (Methodist, Lutheran, Episcipalian, Catholic, etc.) and have gotten away from really teaching what the Bible says.

Many of them are changing their "rules" to suit the people or the people's wishes and not teaching what God/Jesus has to say. That's the biggest difference.

As far as the one re homosexuality and the Bible - he is right - it WILL come to that where he could be jailed for preaching against homosexuality.
post #7 of 20
IMO, pastors have no business "preaching against homosexuality". They should be preachig Christ's message, which is LOVE, L-O-V-E. I don't hear them preaching against premarital sex, preaching against adultery, preaching against the love of money.
post #8 of 20
The church I grew up in prohibited political activism from the pulpit, or even running for office most of the time. I never heard a politician criticized from the pulpit.

I just don't think that's the job of a church. The government shouldn't interfere with religion, and vice versa.

If the people want to vote their conscience, that's a whole different deal.
post #9 of 20
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IMO, pastors have no business "preaching against homosexuality". They should be preachig Christ's message, which is LOVE, L-O-V-E. I don't hear them preaching against premarital sex, preaching against adultery, preaching against the love of money.
The angels are singing in agreement with your post your open heart will invite many to hear Christ's message
post #10 of 20
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The church I grew up in prohibited political activism from the pulpit, or even running for office most of the time. I never heard a politician criticized from the pulpit.

I just don't think that's the job of a church. The government shouldn't interfere with religion, and vice versa.

If the people want to vote their conscience, that's a whole different deal.
that is the kind of church that I am seeking...One evanglical church I attended had most of the congregation dressed like they're going to collect firewood or dig in the garden, with the young girls dressing like they were going "hunting" in a night club - the cow-elk in rut are less obvious To top it off, a man in sandals was clipping his nails & a big toenail shot across the aisle, hit the back of the chair in front of me & almost hit me - I tried to not be grossed out by reminding myself that it was kinda like symbolic foot-washing
post #11 of 20
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IMO, pastors have no business "preaching against homosexuality". They should be preachig Christ's message, which is LOVE, L-O-V-E. I don't hear them preaching against premarital sex, preaching against adultery, preaching against the love of money.
Haven't been to my church, then. Or, at least, the church I'm most acquainted with! They teach that there are standards that we should all strive to attain, but whether those around us attain them or not is not our business.
post #12 of 20
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IMO, pastors have no business "preaching against homosexuality". They should be preachig Christ's message, which is LOVE, L-O-V-E. I don't hear them preaching against premarital sex, preaching against adultery, preaching against the love of money.
Yeah. This.

I've said it before and I've said it again. Introduce people to God and He'll deal with anything that needs changing in their lives. Guilting people into changing without meeting God is, from a really religious perspective, useless.
post #13 of 20
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Yeah. This.

I've said it before and I've said it again. Introduce people to God and He'll deal with anything that needs changing in their lives. Guilting people into changing without meeting God is, from a really religious perspective, useless.
People have been asking for an introduction for centuries, but all they get is a book.
post #14 of 20
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People have been asking for an introduction for centuries, but all they get is a book.
And if you believe the book, when they were introduced to God, they killed him.
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And if you believe the book, when they were introduced to God, they killed him.
Then there is nothing left to bother with, eh?
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
IMO, pastors have no business "preaching against homosexuality". They should be preachig Christ's message, which is LOVE, L-O-V-E. I don't hear them preaching against premarital sex, preaching against adultery, preaching against the love of money.

They should absolutely be preaching Christ's message of Love! That's what bothers me so much about people who claim to be Christians but preach nothing but hate for anyone who happens to be different in any way.
post #17 of 20
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Then there is nothing left to bother with, eh?
.....that's funny. But actually, if you go out above 7000ft elevation, you're liable to meet Him
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
I'm trying In Oildale, I belonged to a wonderful, dynamic Methodist church, but the one here isn't the same. I need to find an outgoing congregation that my daughter will be enriched by. The more traditional churches are so used to those they already know that newcomers just kinda show up unnoticed. And some of the other evangelistic ones quickly lose interest when they find out that I'm "already saved" . But I know in my heart of hearts, I'll find some great group of people. Actually, I really like the congregation of the latest one I've tried - it's the political preaching that distracts me from my worship
Oildale??? You lived in the Dale!!!! I go to a great church in Bakersfield. They are non-denomination. The preach the Good Old Fashioned Gospel straight from the Bible. If you ever come this way again, let me know!
post #19 of 20
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People have been asking for an introduction for centuries, but all they get is a book.
Ahhhh, now that is where you are wrong. There is much more to it than a Book. Not trying to diminish the Holy Bible but there is also The Holy Spirit, in addition to Jesus and our Heavenly Father.
post #20 of 20
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Ahhhh, now that is where you are wrong. There is much more to it than a Book. Not trying to diminish the Holy Bible but there is also The Holy Spirit, in addition to Jesus and our Heavenly Father.
Really? Do you have them on video?
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