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post #91 of 172
10/19/09 at 8:11pm
Section 13.1 titled “Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility.â€

"Neither Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal nor FluMist have been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or potential to impair fertility."

This disclaimer can be found on all four vaccine package inserts (vaccines produced by- MedImmune, LLC, CSL Limited, Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Limited, and Sanofi Pasteur).

VacTruth -yes, they are obviously biased against vaccinations.

Package inserts:

MedImmune

CLS

Novartis

Sanofi Pasteur

There may have been a couple of clinical trials conducted, but there certainly haven't been any long-term studies done.
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post #92 of 172
10/19/09 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
But who is to say that the vaccine even works? They won't do any clinical trials.
thank you for this.
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post #93 of 172
10/19/09 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
For what it's worth, one of my wife's co-workers, a healthy lady in her early fifties, just spent a week in the hospital with H1N1. I suspect her advice would be to get the vaccine; her bill will be something in the area of $10,000.
I am sure there are many people who spend a week in the hospital with the regular seasonal flu as well, not just because it happened to be this so called H1N1.
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post #94 of 172
10/19/09 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Do you folks in the US have to pay for the vaccine innoculation then?
They were supposed to have a flu vaccination clinic at our work last Friday. It was $30 for the regular flu vaccine then $50 for the extra vaccine. Keep in mind that we are working at the place that gives us health insurance. It was cancelled first thing Friday morning because....the county is, once again, out of any flu vaccinations. I wasn't going to get it, but this has happened year after year after year. They make people panic and run out and want to get these shots...they they run out. It's riduculous. Apparantly you can't get it anywhere around here because they are trying to rush around getting more. Ok.....why isn't there more to give out since they're have month's to get it ready? Or, did it mutate again, and they are working on a new vaccine and trying to get that one ready? I have no idea.
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post #95 of 172
10/19/09 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
I am sure there are many people who spend a week in the hospital with the regular seasonal flu as well, not just because it happened to be this so called H1N1.
Oh, one of my best friends from high school emailed me over the weekend. Her daughter was diagnosed with H1N1 without any tests...they said that it was the "only flu going around here". She recovered in 2 days and is fine. She got a fever up to 101 (she is 3 so that is not good) but after a few days of sleeping and lots of fluids she is fine now. Her DH stayed home with her, and spent most of the day running after her. How can they diagnose this without actually doing blood tests? Is this just the new "designer" sickness that doctor's are diagnosing?
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post #96 of 172
10/19/09 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
They were supposed to have a flu vaccination clinic at our work last Friday. It was $30 for the regular flu vaccine then $50 for the extra vaccine. Keep in mind that we are working at the place that gives us health insurance. It was cancelled first thing Friday morning because....the county is, once again, out of any flu vaccinations. I wasn't going to get it, but this has happened year after year after year. They make people panic and run out and want to get these shots...they they run out. It's riduculous. Apparantly you can't get it anywhere around here because they are trying to rush around getting more. Ok.....why isn't there more to give out since they're have month's to get it ready? Or, did it mutate again, and they are working on a new vaccine and trying to get that one ready? I have no idea.
Now, here you were talking about the flu vac. being out. Correct? Well, it is true that some areas are starting to run low on them. This is because they (the drug company) had to spend most of their time on developing and producing the H1N1 vac. So this kept them from getting a larger amount of the flu vac. made.
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post #97 of 172
10/19/09 at 10:37pm
I would get it. They do have mercury free ones and if your juds a=have asthma they are at high risk since it effects the lungs and can kill people a lot easier that have health problems.

I got my little boy it the other day. I waited in ine for four hours
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post #98 of 172
10/19/09 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by snosrap5 View Post
We send our kids to school every day KNOWING that H1N1 has hit our state and our county! We do this every day!
sending them to school knowing it has hit your state is different then putting a child in a closed room with someone that has it. If I know someone had it I would not go around them especially with my child untill they were better.
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post #99 of 172
10/19/09 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by Jillian View Post
There may have been a couple of clinical trials conducted, but there certainly haven't been any long-term studies done.
Well of course not - there can't be long-term studies done for a new strain of flu that needs immediate attention.

The regular flu vaccine changes every year to vaccinate against the expected strain, and this is all the H1N1 is - an updated flu shot to protect against H1N1.

The US government is paying for H1N1 vaccines, so nobody should be paying for the vaccination itself. You may have to pay a doctor to administer it, but the govt. is encouraging that to be a free service as well.

Given how much the government is spending on the vaccine and the administering of it, I feel comfortable that they think it's serious enough and effective enough to warrant that kind of money.

Generally people are getting sicker with H1N1 than they do with regular flu, and more people have died from it than the regular flu last season, and the flu season hasn't started yet.

I understand if healthy adults don't want to get it, but I think children, asthma sufferers, pregnant women, and immuno-compromised individuals and the elderly should get it (as well as those who live with those people).
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post #100 of 172
10/19/09 at 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I see Barack is not having HIS daughters vaccinated.

http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/...-against-h1n1/
Yeah because they're not eligible for it, don't try to spin it the wrong way

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White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says the vaccine is not available to them based on their risk.

The Centers for Disease Control recommend that children ages 6 months through 18 years of age receive a vaccination against the H1N1 flu virus. At this time only children with chronic medical conditions are receiving the vaccination because their immune system is not strong enough to fight off the strain.
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post #101 of 172
10/20/09 at 4:04am
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Originally Posted by cococat View Post
thank you for this.
Did you notice that the statement was wrong; this vaccine HAS been through clinical trials.

It ought to be unusually effective, too, since the virus going around now is virtually identical to the one used to make the vaccine.
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post #102 of 172
10/20/09 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by Jillian View Post
There may have been a couple of clinical trials conducted, but there certainly haven't been any long-term studies done.
There are never any long-term studies, since the virus changes every year. But there ARE long-term studies of the base, which has been repeatedly shown to be safe and has not changed for about 20 years.
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post #103 of 172
10/20/09 at 6:03am
I would guess that eating at McDonalds a couple times a month would do you more harm than the vaccine.

I'll be getting it as soon as my doctor has it.
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post #104 of 172
10/20/09 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
Oh, one of my best friends from high school emailed me over the weekend. Her daughter was diagnosed with H1N1 without any tests...they said that it was the "only flu going around here". She recovered in 2 days and is fine. She got a fever up to 101 (she is 3 so that is not good) but after a few days of sleeping and lots of fluids she is fine now. Her DH stayed home with her, and spent most of the day running after her. How can they diagnose this without actually doing blood tests? Is this just the new "designer" sickness that doctor's are diagnosing?
In the article I linked to it said there is NO way of knowing if you have the flu or which strain you have unless they do a throat or nasal swab and have it tested.
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post #105 of 172
10/20/09 at 11:41am
nope - i don't even get the regular flu shot. i've never had the flu in my life [i'm 51, btw!]
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post #106 of 172
10/20/09 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Jillian View Post
There may have been a couple of clinical trials conducted, but there certainly haven't been any long-term studies done.
Well, how could they do long-term studies on a vaccine for a disease that hasn't been around that long?
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post #107 of 172
10/20/09 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
In the article I linked to it said there is NO way of knowing if you have the flu or which strain you have unless they do a throat or nasal swab and have it tested.
I think that's because it's too expensive to test everyone who has the sniffles. If you have a sustained fever as well as the usual flu symptoms then it's probably swine flu. They're only treating with Tamiflu if you're one of the high risks groups as far as I can tell, so unless you're in a high risk group, there's no need to test for it.
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post #108 of 172
10/20/09 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by ebrillblaiddes View Post
Well, how could they do long-term studies on a vaccine for a disease that hasn't been around that long?
That's my point. This vaccine has been rushed through production and clinical trials. There is mass hysteria over this flu and because of that fear, people aren't stopping to ask what getting this vaccine is going to do to them long term. So yes, while the time line from the beginning of the "threat" until now isn't long enough to allow for long-term studies, it doesn't mean we should overlook the fact that the people of this country are being told to get this vaccine without those kinds of studies being conducted.

Your best defense against the flu (any kind) is good hand washing practices; fresh air and sunshine; exercise; rest; not touching your hands to your face; eating well; staying hydrated.

You know... common sense.

And honestly, it sickens me that this vaccine is being pushed on pregnant women and children. But then again, I think it's sick that vaccines are pushed on people at all.
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post #109 of 172
10/20/09 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by Krazycatlover View Post
sending them to school knowing it has hit your state is different then putting a child in a closed room with someone that has it. If I know someone had it I would not go around them especially with my child untill they were better.

I'm sorry, I don't see the difference. H1N1 has hit our local schools and my son is in a closed room with a class full of sick kids. So yes, I did send him to school knowing he was going to be around kids that were sick. They notified everyone that they had several cases of H1N1 in our schools. I couldn't keep him out of school just because I know kids at his school are testing positive for H1N1.

He told me he thought two of his friends had H1N1 because they were sick one day and gone for the next 4 days. I couldn't change the fact that he was around them, they have classes together.

I can't guarantee that every parent is going to do the right thing and keep their kids home until they're better. The local military base did quarantine families to their homes for 72 hours but they can't do that to civilian families.

That is what I was referring to when I said I we send our kids to school every day knowing. My son's doctor told me it was running rampant through the schools right now and they were no longer going to test anyone, just treat the symptoms.
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post #110 of 172
10/20/09 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
Given how much the government is spending on the vaccine and the administering of it, I feel comfortable that they think it's serious enough and effective enough to warrant that kind of money.
This is one reason why I wont get it
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post #111 of 172
10/21/09 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
This is one reason why I wont get it
Isn't that what they call biting off your nose to spite your face?

I heard on the radio this morning that there is a real shortage of the vaccine in the US as they seem to be having difficulty making the correct vaccine and doing it quickly enough.

Britain has already OK'd the vaccine and Canada is expected to give it the go-ahead today. 2 million doses have been shipped and put into place just waiting for the go-ahead today from the Government and then we can get our shots. I'll be one of the first in line.
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post #112 of 172
10/21/09 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
Given how much the government is spending on the vaccine and the administering of it, I feel comfortable that they think it's serious enough and effective enough to warrant that kind of money.
I don't trust the government. There is also controversy on how this virus got started. I don't get flu vaccinations and I don't get the flu.

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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
This is one reason why I wont get it
I agree with you 100%!!!!
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post #113 of 172
10/21/09 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Jillian View Post
There is mass hysteria over this flu and because of that fear, people aren't stopping to ask what getting this vaccine is going to do to them long term. So yes, while the time line from the beginning of the "threat" until now isn't long enough to allow for long-term studies, it doesn't mean we should overlook the fact that the people of this country are being told to get this vaccine without those kinds of studies being conducted.
Well, I think part of the reason people aren't asking is there's no way to know until it's too late to make a choice about vaccination based on that information. The fact is, we won't have solid real-world numbers on how effective the swine flu vaccine is until after flu season, and we won't know the long-term effects for years if ever, which makes risk-benefit analysis difficult, but the fact is we will never have that information withoit the vaccine being used.

I probably would have already decided against it by now, for the same reasons that I don't get routine seasonal flu shots, except that I'm only a few hours drive from a hotspot. I still probably won't end up getting it because I'm not in a high risk group and, being between jobs, I have the ability to stay 100% at home for a few days to avoid spreading it.
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post #114 of 172
10/21/09 at 11:34am
I honestly believe we have to treat this vaccine as being the same as the regular flu shot but geared specifically toward swine flu, much like each year they gear the flu shot toward a specific strain.

I really think folks are making way too much of this whole issue. If you are a person that normally would get a flu shot anyway, then I would expect you would also get the swine flu shot since I'm pretty sure they would both have the same "base". On the other hand if you are a person that doesn't believe in or does not get any flu shot, then you probably aren't going to get it anyway so it's really a moot point.

And if someone gets swine flu, it happens to be a severe case for them, they didn't get the vaccine and they die - then they die, it's as simple as that. That could certainly help with the statistics if nothing else.
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post #115 of 172
10/21/09 at 6:53pm
I don't trust the government or this vaccine.

One question to ask yourself, why is autism in children skyrocketing?
There is a growing number of people that SWEAR it is from vaccinations.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5404829.shtml

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Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
CBS News Exclusive: Study Of State Results Finds H1N1 Not As Prevalent As Feared

(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.

In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?
I don't know about anyone else but I have a HUGE problem with that last paragraph I linked.
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post #116 of 172
10/21/09 at 7:01pm
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I do get the seasonal flu shot every year.As I stated, it is mandatory in my home for my youngest sons health.So,the question of NOT getting that one--is totally out of the question.
This new shot though, has not had any real studies done on it.And I really don't feel comfortable with my kids being basically guinia(sp) pigs, or in some kind of study group.
But, the fact remains that my Dr stated that both boys needed it.He did not say whether or not the rest of us would also have to have it.My thoughts on that, are if 2 are getting it--and could potentionally have long term effects--then the rest of us will join them.
My husband and I have talked about this at GREAT lengths.The benifits from this shot---possible death from the swine flu, are not something that we really want to wager.So, more than likely--though I am NOT at all happy about it, will be that if the Dr does state again they need the shot--they will get the shot.And I will do as I always do, pray to God that NOTHING goes wrong.I have to put my children and their safety above my concerns and abilities.
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post #117 of 172
10/21/09 at 7:16pm
crittermom, if you REALLY have trust in your doctor then you should do it.

But you should talk to your doctor about your concerns.
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post #118 of 172
10/21/09 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
crittermom, if you REALLY have trust in your doctor then you should do it.

But you should talk to your doctor about your concerns.
I'm going to hon. The vaccine won't be available for atleast another 2-3 weeks.
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post #119 of 172
10/22/09 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by crittermom View Post
I'm going to hon. The vaccine won't be available for atleast another 2-3 weeks.
Mike has decided that our son will get it. He already got the flue shot once and is going back in a few weeks. She said she can do both then but he will need to come back for another shot the following month. He has to get both flu shots twice. She didn't have any shots yet for the H1N1, just the nasal for older children. Also if we had the right insurance I could have gotten the shot too.

We have to schedule an appt with our doctor for one. DH doesn't want one since he never has had the flu shot that he recalls. I had one last year and a few years prior. Mom has asthma and will talk to her doctor but most likely will get both. She has been hospitalized before with flu complications.
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post #120 of 172
10/22/09 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by Crazyforinfo View Post
We have to schedule an appt with our doctor for one. DH doesn't want one since he never has had the flu shot that he recalls. I had one last year and a few years prior. Mom has asthma and will talk to her doctor but most likely will get both. She has been hospitalized before with flu complications.
There was a doctor on this morning talking about how important it was for family members of people with chronic conditions also receive the shot in order to help protect the person with the condition. I don't suppose I should really mention that he felt that everyone should be concerned about helping to keep our co-workers, friends, neighbours safe also by getting the shot.

If the virus is in your area, unless you seal up your house, don't go outside for groceries, school or work and basically live in a bubble, you will be exposed to it. If you want to take your chances on getting it and living through it rather than take a chance on an approved vaccine that is certainly your choice. Unfortunately this will put your family and friends at risk also, but hopefully they'll have gotten the shot.
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