Buying a kitten overseas...Need advice please!

Originally Posted by karshe

I know importing into OZ is a very long, and vaccination driven proceedure.

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Because we are rabies free, it is different when dealing with other countries - they may not even need to be quarantined. Hopefully the breeder has all this info for the kitten mentioned.

This is also a rabies free country, but we have this weird importing rule that if the kittens is younger than 3 months old and is coming from another rabies free country, the rabies vaccination is not needed. 12 weeks doesn't always equal 3 months, so this rule kind of gives a loophole in some cases. In my case the kitten is imported from another rabies free country, but is 16 weeks old when I'm getting her so she will need the rabies vaccination. Complicated? Yes. Worth it? I sure hope so!

I just remembered reading about shipping rules. Would persians or himalayans have issues around the "short nose' rule? I read that pugs/bulldogs cannot be shipped under certain conditions because of their reduced ability to regulate temperature through their nose.

It would depend on the temps at the time on the short-nose breeds. When at the cargo waiting for Jack to get to us, was reading the posted signs re pet shipping. They have a window of temps (cold to hot) - if the temps are between those, you can ship, if not - its a "no go" in shipping.

There's no quarantine period shipping to the US since the US is not rabies free - you just need proof of vaccinations and a health check when the cat arrives.

i do not have registered cats. nor do I intend to.I am asking for advise from a layman[s point of view.....with years of working and now volunteering at our no-kill shelter.I really get that you are trying to tell me NO.
I get that,I understand that you don't know me.....I am NOT the one with the persian...I have my HIM.
I hope you guys get that I have NO OTHER [people to ask questions to ,other than you...because of my involvment with my local shelter.)
I will admit what you guys have said so far ...is scary.I will be asking my vet about the P disease,not the normal one , the one that could kill my precious baby if she has not been spayed and has a litter after the age of 2,(because of my other fur babies ,my vet and I speak more than weekly)
how do I get in touch with people that you are comfortable with, that could assist me?

Himi's are Persians, they are just a colour varation so the same health tests are required. PKD can be tested for, Pyometra - the one they get from cycling in and out of season cannot be tested. It's just a gamble if they get it or not, and if not caught in time can kill.

Originally Posted by missymotus

Himi's are Persians, they are just a colour varation so the same health tests are required. PKD can be tested for, Pyometra - the one they get from cycling in and out of season cannot be tested. It's just a gamble if they get it or not, and if not caught in time can kill.

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I'm a HUGE fan of CFA and what they do - but they should get with the times (IMO) a Persian is a Persian whether it is spotted, pointed or bicolour. I positively refuse to call a Pointed Persian a H....

So to the OP are you breeding non-registered cats? I haven't read this whole thread and I'm not bashing you. Just want to know your reasons.

Originally Posted by WellingtonCats

So to the OP are you breeding non-registered cats? I haven't read this whole thread and I'm not bashing you. Just want to know your reasons.

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Nope, it got changed 1/2 way through with a new post.

Unreg Persians, 2-3 year old girl and baby boy they want to have a litter of those two cats when the boy is older.

That should catch you up a bit

Originally Posted by WellingtonCats

I'm a HUGE fan of CFA and what they do - but they should get with the times (IMO) a Persian is a Persian whether it is spotted, pointed or bicolour. I positively refuse to call a Pointed Persian a H....

So to the OP are you breeding non-registered cats? I haven't read this whole thread and I'm not bashing you. Just want to know your reasons.

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thanx for not bashing(or trying to frighten me).I am a VERY involved parent of four one Him (rescued),one tabby(rescued) and siamese twins-14 yrs from a non-fixed mom that was getting spayed..I kept her kids.....unfortunately she died at over 20, last year.
I am NOT breeding cats!...I will never pretend to know what you guys go through, but I am THE MOST RESPONSIBLE mom ....I volunteer at the apparently only no-cage,no-kill shelter in Canada... since it opened and did keep the kittens of a pregnant mom see above,
I just have a sweet babe(rescuedand non-registered) that we both would love to have kids,and KEEP THEM ALL.Just so happens I have a dear friend in the US that has a male Persian ...baby...We would love to have a litter together and then fix BOTH.JUST for us...and NOONE seems want to help with the info....cause its about love NOT money and they know to say s/n.
I get it


That is why I am here.I need info from you guys, the ones that know...I am a well informed MOM, with very little info cause of the environment I deal with.

Originally Posted by seiko7

I just have a sweet babe(rescuedand non-registered) that we both would love to have kids,and KEEP THEM ALL.Just so happens I have a dear friend in the US that has a male Persian ...baby...We would love to have a litter together and then fix BOTH.JUST for us....

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Well, the thing is, breeding can be dangerous, mainly for the female (pregnancy and birth are always risky). And of course it's risky for your friends to keep their male intact past sexual maturity, because he'll likely start to spray if not neutered by a certain age, and many cats who begin spraying are put to sleep. So really 2 cats' lives are at risk here, and taking that kind of risk to produce more pets, when there are already SO many pet-quality cats in the world.....not really a great idea.

If your cat has kittens, you ARE breeding cats.....I don't know why so many people insist they aren't breeders, when they are clearly breeding . It's not like being a breeder is a bad thing, I don't know why they refuse being called as such. That's common in the dog world, as well. So a note: If you breed your animals, you are a breeder.

Originally Posted by seiko7

That is why I am here.I need info from you guys, the ones that know...I am a well informed MOM, with very little info cause of the environment I deal with.

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You have been given info, it's not a good idea to be breeding your cats. You have no idea of their pasts, you haven't tested them for genetic faults etc.

The female is at great risk being 3 years old and entire, and then waiting for the boy to grow up making her even older before she is mated.

wishing so hard I could thank you guys for your advice.I thank you for your replies.I get why you can't give help and I get why you won't.
I do suggest that scare tactics DO NOT work.Some of us layman are quite well informed.I hope that the time you have taken out of your day to reply, has served whatever purpose you wishes to serve.
i do understand the mentality and parameters at 'breeders corner',much better now
respectfully,

Originally Posted by seiko7

thanx for not bashing(or trying to frighten me).I am a VERY involved parent of four one Him (rescued),one tabby(rescued) and siamese twins-14 yrs from a non-fixed mom that was getting spayed..I kept her kids.....unfortunately she died at over 20, last year.
I am NOT breeding cats!...I will never pretend to know what you guys go through, but I am THE MOST RESPONSIBLE mom ....I volunteer at the apparently only no-cage,no-kill shelter in Canada... since it opened and did keep the kittens of a pregnant mom see above,
I just have a sweet babe(rescuedand non-registered) that we both would love to have kids,and KEEP THEM ALL.Just so happens I have a dear friend in the US that has a male Persian ...baby...We would love to have a litter together and then fix BOTH.JUST for us...and NOONE seems want to help with the info....cause its about love NOT money and they know to say s/n.
I get it


That is why I am here.I need info from you guys, the ones that know...I am a well informed MOM, with very little info cause of the environment I deal with.

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I don't want to frighten you at all but perhaps if you guys want extra kitties you could get those fixed and adopt a couple? You'll be getting your extra babies and helping save some homes too.

got your point.I appreciate your input.I would likely advise the same.
BUT..
because I get it and we both want them fixed after this one time try, and are loving animal rescue people, with means and lifestyles to care for all of the babies in forever homes (our own)with no intention of it interfering with adopting any others...
is it against all rules to give informed advise? ....if it is please let me know

Originally Posted by seiko7

is it against all rules to give informed advise?

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Problem is, I'm not sure what advice you're wanting? You already said you're well-informed about breeding, and I don't think any breeder will help you with a breeding they consider ill-advised. A cat that age having her first litter is not something most breeders would consider, so I think any advice you'd get from experienced breeders would be not to breed that particular cat.....if you really want to get into breeding, procuring a younger breeding-quality cat would probably be their best advice.

Do you want to know about shipping a cat to Canada? I know shipping within the U.S. will cost about $400. Less if the cat travels with a human, but of course you have to buy the human's ticket as well. I don't know what health certificates a cat would need to travel to Canada from the U.S. Maybe Customs would have that info for you. You'd need at least a Rabies certificate, possibly proof of the other vaccines as well. And a signed health certificate from a vet.

Personally, I wouldn't ship a cat unattended. But lots of breeders do it, so I know it can be done safely. I'm not sure of the details, though.

Originally Posted by seiko7

is it against all rules to give informed advise?

....if it is please let me know

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Quoted from the cat site rules

2. Please make sure to spay and neuter your cats. Unless you are a professional breeder and your cat is part of a professional breeding program, please educate yourself to the importance of spaying and neutering by the time your cat is 4-6 months old. If you take care of a feral colony, please make sure to do so responsibly by practicing TNR (Trap, Neuter, Release) protocols within the colony. By spaying and neutering, you enhance a cat's quality of life and improve their longterm health. You are also proving your love for cats because in acting as a responsible pet owner/caregiver you are minimizing the problem of cat overpopulation.

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Most breeders charge around $250 for shipping in the USA.
Cleo came from North Carolina with no problem.
Wrinkles came from San Diego and was missing.

I'm not sure why you "don't get it" - we are just as concerned about your cats as you are. The female will be too old for breeding by the time the male is mature. And in the meantime you are putting her health at risk by allowing her to keep going and and out of heat cycles.

She can develop pyrometra (infection of the uterus) which will either kill her or you'll end up spaying her anyway.

She also may need an expensive c-section, you could lose the kittens, et.

Please please just spay her and don't think about breeding an unknown, not registered cat just so you can keep the kittens.

It's been a while since I checked in on this thread and I was getting a bit confused until I realized that the thread had been hijacked about halfway through.

So, getting back to the original topic. Enamored, do you have any updates on the kitten you're wanting to have shipped from Russia?