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post #91 of 135
10/7/09 at 7:39pm
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I will remember to say, "what goes around, comes around" next time, so as not to be accused of bringing up "religion".

Thanks Calico.
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post #92 of 135
10/8/09 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
Oh for pete's sake. Karma is a word that is now thrown around. You know, "what comes around, goes around"? It's just an easier way to say it. Karma actually is associated with Buddism and that is CLEARLY not what Cindy practices.
I agree that Karma is a word that gets thrown around but it is also misused. It does NOT mean "what goes around, comes around" to practicing Buddhists. I suppose you could say that since "Jesus Christ" gets thrown around as a swear word that makes it ok as a swear word and forget the religious aspect but I'm sure that Christians see it differently.
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post #93 of 135
10/8/09 at 5:56am
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I agree that Karma is a word that gets thrown around but it is also misused. It does NOT mean "what goes around, comes around" to practicing Buddhists. I suppose you could say that since "Jesus Christ" gets thrown around as a swear word that makes it ok as a swear word and forget the religious aspect but I'm sure that Christians see it differently.
Excellent correlation and spot on!
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post #94 of 135
10/8/09 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I agree that Karma is a word that gets thrown around but it is also misused. It does NOT mean "what goes around, comes around" to practicing Buddhists. I suppose you could say that since "Jesus Christ" gets thrown around as a swear word that makes it ok as a swear word and forget the religious aspect but I'm sure that Christians see it differently.
"Intent" is the key component missing in your analogy.

The word DOES get misused frequently. By most everyone. Right or wrong, it has become part of the public vernacular in its "misused" sense.

But, if you're saying she's misusing it, then in her eyes, she's using it in a sense that isn't religious in nature.

Thus, it's everyone else that's making "karma" a religious issue. Everyone obviously knows what she meant, so if you're all looking to take religion out of the thread, couldn't you start by ceasing to harp on this insignificant bit of semantics?
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post #95 of 135
10/8/09 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
"Intent" is the key component missing in your analogy.

The word DOES get misused frequently. By most everyone. Right or wrong, it has become part of the public vernacular in its "misused" sense.

But, if you're saying she's misusing it, then in her eyes, she's using it in a sense that isn't religious in nature.

Thus, it's everyone else that's making "karma" a religious issue. Everyone obviously knows what she meant, so if you're all looking to take religion out of the thread, couldn't you start by ceasing to harp on this insignificant bit of semantics?
When you've spent more time in IMO Forum you may find that there is a bit of "sparring" between some individuals. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that for the most part it is part of the enjoyment of contributing to the IMO forum. At the end of the day, we all still respect each other's opinions even if they do not correspond with our own beliefs.

ETA: There are some of us here that do not subscribe to an organized religion and several who are very devout in their beliefs so you will often find threads can get "religious" to a degree.
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post #96 of 135
10/8/09 at 6:50am
Actually of the world religions, Buddhism is the only one that appeals to me.
Christianity certianly does not.

If I hit my thumb with a hammer and exclaim "Jesus ***** Christ!" it is not intended as a religious statement and no practicing Christian has a right to get upset over it. Evidently however if enough people misuse it that way, "Jesus Christ" is a legitimate swear word in the public vernacular. Is that correct?
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post #97 of 135
10/8/09 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
If I hit my thumb with a hammer and exclaim "Jesus ***** Christ!" it is not intended as a religious statement and no practicing Christian has a right to get upset over it. Evidently however if enough people misuse it that way, "Jesus Christ" is a legitimate swear word in the public vernacular. Is that correct?
Actually, yes. And it is, eh? The difference though, is that in your example, you knew who Jesus Christ is/was when you said it (or are at least aware of a working concept) and were aware of the provocative nature of its usage as a disparagement. You chose to "go that route" or not.

By comparison, Cindy was, technically, misusing the word but was apparently not aware of its true definition in a religious sense. While at its worst a crime of ignorance, it's being used here by others to ironically keep the theme of religion alive in the thread, and as a sort of bludgeoning stick against her.

Like yelling for someone to put out a fire, while pouring gasoline on it.

I'm as agnostic as they come, I don't have a vested interest either way, in a religious sense. Just thought the thread took a very weird turn.
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post #98 of 135
10/8/09 at 7:41am
And the "religious" aspect of this thread continues, i.e., alive and well, even though it was about blackmail to begin with.
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post #99 of 135
10/8/09 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
And the "religious" aspect of this thread continues, i.e., alive and well, even though it was about blackmail to begin with.
Excellent observation, Linda.

Now, Folks, if you don't mind, can we return to regularly scheduled programming, please? If you want to discuss the use or misuse of expressions with religious origins in non-religious ways -- or anything else that doesn't have to do with the topic of this thread, for that matter -- please give it its own thread. Thanks.
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post #100 of 135
10/8/09 at 8:39am
The opening post mentions "KARMA" (in capital letters) and a prominent Republican political figure so perhaps some of us can be forgiven for discussing those aspects.
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post #101 of 135
10/8/09 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
The opening post mentions "KARMA" (in capital letters) and a prominent Republican political figure so perhaps some of us can be forgiven for discussing those aspects.
I have to admit you are right. This thread was started and the opening post was entirely about karma and Sarah Palin.
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post #102 of 135
10/8/09 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
Actually, yes. And it is, eh? The difference though, is that in your example, you knew who Jesus Christ is/was when you said it (or are at least aware of a working concept) and were aware of the provocative nature of its usage as a disparagement. You chose to "go that route" or not.

By comparison, Cindy was, technically, misusing the word but was apparently not aware of its true definition in a religious sense. While at its worst a crime of ignorance, it's being used here by others to ironically keep the theme of religion alive in the thread, and as a sort of bludgeoning stick against her.

Like yelling for someone to put out a fire, while pouring gasoline on it.

I'm as agnostic as they come, I don't have a vested interest either way, in a religious sense. Just thought the thread took a very weird turn.
I think Keycube got you there 2dogmom. It seems like the only people bring up religion are you and Yosemite.
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post #103 of 135
10/8/09 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
I think Keycube got you there 2dogmom. It seems like the only people bring up religion are you and Yosemite.
Really??? Just me and 2dogmom? Some posts must have been deleted then. But I venture off course yet again. This thread is supposed to be about Sarah Palin and karma.
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post #104 of 135
10/8/09 at 12:27pm
Having the highest ratings his show has had in a decade is Karma? I need me some Karma like that.

The thing is, aren't you supposed to die before Karma kicks in?

He should confess to something juicy every couple years or so; that and regular appearances by the "Grinder Girl" should keep him going strong...
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post #105 of 135
10/8/09 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Really??? Just me and 2dogmom? Some posts must have been deleted then. But I venture off course yet again. This thread is supposed to be about Sarah Palin and karma.
You're absolutely right. Skippymjp (Mike) first said Karma was a Buddhist belief. And isn't that what we are talking about? Karma and how it deals with religion?

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You made this thread about religion when you kept bringing up karma - that is a Buddhist concept, like skippymjp said.
I know that Cindy put our her personal beliefs, but she never made it about "religion". Her beliefs are HER beliefs. Everyone has them.

Ok....hijack over, back to the regular scheduled programming.
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post #106 of 135
10/8/09 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
I think Keycube got you there 2dogmom. It seems like the only people bring up religion are you and Yosemite.
I just went back and looked at each and every post in this thread.

P. 1: Karma is mentioned three times (not by me)
P. 2: -
P. 3: Karma twice, Bible once (not by me)
P. 4: my 1st post, nothing religious in it
P. 5: my 2nd post, nothing religious in it
P. 6: Religion, Bible, Christianity are all brought up (not by me)
P. 7: Karma, Buddhism and Religion are brought up again, I post about religion once
P. 8: Religion is brought up three times, Karma once, and I post about karma.

Is it ok to point out most of the posts drawing attention to the religious aspect were made by mods? I can go back and make it more detailed.
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post #107 of 135
10/8/09 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
Is it ok to point out most of the posts drawing attention to the religious aspect were made by mods? I can go back and make it more detailed.
Absolutely OK - I believe we were trying to remind folks that this thread was supposed to be about David Letterman/blackmailers and not about the Buddhist religious beliefs such as karma. I suppose that would qualify as the mods drawing attention to the religious aspects.
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post #108 of 135
10/8/09 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
There truly is a difference between opinions and judging. I consider it judging (and religion) when one continues to go on and on about karma and how he deserves it and how Palin must be laughing, etc.

And that is YOUR opinion and you are free to give it. I can, definitely, see where it can be taken as me judging Letterman, and it IS un-Christian of me. I shouldn't have snickered over it because of the pain it is causing his wife. Yep, I am a sinner just like all Christians.

And, the whole issue was not about morals/infidelity in the first place, it was about a blackmailer that got bitten in the a$$ by his own actions. Now that may not be "karma" but it surely is justice.

But THIS thread, that I started was NOT about the blackmailer (who the law will take care of) THIS thread was about, "What goes around, comes around", which I erroneously called "Karma". Bummer, I made a mistake.

If you truly hope his marriage survives, as you say, then surely your generosity of spirit would and should extend to him and his family not suffering through paying a blackmailer? That would be the only Christian way to be.
Are you doubting the validity of my feelings which I expressed? That is kind of insulting Linda. IMO, that is.
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post #109 of 135
10/8/09 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I just went back and looked at each and every post in this thread.

P. 1: Karma is mentioned three times (not by me)
P. 2: -
P. 3: Karma twice, Bible once (not by me)
P. 4: my 1st post, nothing religious in it
P. 5: my 2nd post, nothing religious in it
P. 6: Religion, Bible, Christianity are all brought up (not by me)
P. 7: Karma, Buddhism and Religion are brought up again, I post about religion once
P. 8: Religion is brought up three times, Karma once, and I post about karma.

Is it ok to point out most of the posts drawing attention to the religious aspect were made by mods? I can go back and make it more detailed.
I broke down and went back and reread the whole darn thread too. No mention of religion by me.
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post #110 of 135
10/8/09 at 11:57pm
The discussion regarding when religion entered the discussion and who mentioned it really is , folks.

A little reminder: Questions or remarks of all too personal a nature belong in PMs.
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post #111 of 135
10/9/09 at 5:57am
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Are you doubting the validity of my feelings which I expressed? That is kind of insulting Linda. IMO, that is.
No, I just personally don't think it is nice to laugh, poke fun and sort of say ha, ha, ha, at someone else's misfortune. But that's just me and you are right - it's just my opinion.

It would seem the title of the thread should have been "Karma" or "Sarah Palin" instead of "David Letterman" - that's what threw me off.
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post #112 of 135
10/13/09 at 5:02pm
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Isn't secular progressive America great? Hey, if it feels good, do it.

I still say it was Karma. .
Okay, just re-reading this thread. Where did you get the message that people are saying "if it feels good, do it?" At least for myself, I was saying that he did it, presumably they were consenting adults he did it with since nobody complained or brought any harassment suits against him. That being the case, it was a good thing he did to foil the plans of the blackmailer by outting him. I don't like David Letterman, I don't listen to him, I don't think he's funny. But he really is the victim in this and the blackmailer is all but forgotten.
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post #113 of 135
10/13/09 at 6:25pm
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No, I just personally don't think it is nice to laugh, poke fun and sort of say ha, ha, ha, at someone else's misfortune. But that's just me and you are right - it's just my opinion.

It would seem the title of the thread should have been "Karma" or "Sarah Palin" instead of "David Letterman" - that's what threw me off.
Misfortune? Hardly.
Misfortune, IMO, is something one can't help. David Letterman made a personal decision to be unfaithful to his son's mother, whether married or not I do not care. HIS decision. No misfortune, just a cad and a cheater.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misfortune

Quote:
1. adverse fortune; bad luck.
2. an instance of this; mischance; mishap.

Synonyms:
2. accident; disaster, calamity, catastrophe; reverse; blow
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post #114 of 135
10/13/09 at 6:30pm
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Misfortune? Hardly.
Misfortune, IMO, is something one can't help. David Letterman made a personal decision to be unfaithful to his son's mother, whether married or not I do not care. HIS decision. No misfortune, just a cad and a cheater.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misfortune
Cindy, I'm flummoxed that a good Christian person would think that the act of blackmail is something to laugh at and say ha, ha, you deserve it. I may not go to church and practice a formal religion, but even the heathen that I am, I would not condone blackmail and would never, ever be that mean-spirited.
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post #115 of 135
10/13/09 at 7:02pm
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Cindy, I'm flummoxed that a good Christian person would think that the act of blackmail is something to laugh at and say ha, ha, you deserve it. I may not go to church and practice a formal religion, but even the heathen that I am, I would not condone blackmail and would never, ever be that mean-spirited.
I have said several times in this thread that the blackmailer will be dealt with by our judicial system. What more needs to be said. Nowhere did I condone blackmail. This thread and I did start the thread was about David Letterman's unfaithfulness and only that.
Yes, he DID deserve it, he is the one that did the deed. I think some people may be losing track of that point. And when I say, "he deserves it", I am NOT talking about deserving to be blackmailed the way everyone seems to be taking it.
He did the deed, what he deserved is to be found out, IMO. Maybe by almost losing what he has he may just rethink what his priorities are in life.

Do you think Christians can't have feelings Linda? Do you think Christians are without sin?
I am just honest enough to admit my failings is all.
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post #116 of 135
10/13/09 at 7:15pm
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Cindy, I'm flummoxed that a good Christian person would think that the act of blackmail is something to laugh at and say ha, ha, you deserve it. I may not go to church and practice a formal religion, but even the heathen that I am, I would not condone blackmail and would never, ever be that mean-spirited.
I finally figured out that, all this time, you have beening talking "blackmailer" and I have been talking "cheater".
My thread, my subject and my subject was Letterman.
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post #117 of 135
10/13/09 at 8:50pm
But Cindy, one of the first things to be taught with Christianity is forgiveness? So why are you harboring all this animosity when you were not the one wronged? So, are going for the "eye for an eye" part of the bible instead of "love your neighbor"?

And, did anyone ever state exactly when this happened? It could be that he and his now wife had an on again off again relationship, (I'm sorry, I don't really read every link..my bad. But sometimes I don't have time), which if they were "off again" it wouldn't be cheating in a legal sense. Yes I know, everyone who has sex out of wedlock is a sinner in some people's eyes. But, since the child was conceived out of wedlock then he was a sinner to begin with.

You have a right to your beliefs and I would never be one to argue that. But, on this, I do disagree with you because I don't know the whole story, but even if I did the bible teaches forgiveness.
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post #118 of 135
10/14/09 at 12:10pm
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Letterman doesn't need my forgiveness. I don't have any animosity towards him. I don't hate him.

I feel he was very mean spirted in his jokes toward the Palin family and their 14 year old teenage girl. It was very hurtful to the Palin's and all in the name of the ever important, all important, ratings. I think it is crummy when a person gets what they want, whether it be ratings or whatever, at the expense of other people's pain.

Now Letterman has caused his wife and young son pain, think how they feel.
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post #119 of 135
10/14/09 at 1:14pm
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I think it is crummy when a person gets what they want, whether it be ratings or whatever, at the expense of other people's pain.
But isn't that exactly what you are doing? You want him to suffer (on behalf of the Palins and his wife and son obviously since he has done nothing personally to you) so you can feel better about you and your morals. You are right though - that is pretty crummy.
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post #120 of 135
10/14/09 at 2:04pm
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When did I ever say I wanted Letterman to suffer? And how does that figure in with "me and my morals?"

FTR, I have made plenty of mistakes in my long life time and done things I am sorry for.
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