Oh, well, then that's sad.
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Time for the truth (long)
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exactly. And which is better: keeping the cats while knowing that you may not be able to pay if an emergency arises, or leaving them at a doorstep??? Yea, that's a rhetorical question because I think that no one in a healthy mental state would leave their cats a doorstep because they are afraid of what might happen in the event of an emergency. To me, there is more than just not having money, there is a paranoia there that is disordered and she is acting impulsively because of it, being insensitive to what's best for the cats during a temporary moment of that paranoia and weakness. And then of course she feels guilty but I think the problem begins before even that period of guilt.
I am not at all trained in mental health, but the research I did this afternoon/evening on personality disorder - combined with what has been posted by RussianKitten - leads me to believe:
1) The kitten purchases were not "self-defeating" based out of guilt - they were impulse purchases. Guilt may have played a role in the impulse - but it was driven by a sense of want with no thought to the consequences.
2) Telling the lies resulted in a lot more attention - often a characteristic of a personality disorder.
3) The "I love my kitties so much" and then dumping Caspian a second time (the lack of responsibility to which you're referring, Utopia) is also a characteristic of a personality disorder, which includes problems with the range, intensity, ability and appropriateness of emotional response.
Others have noticed that she says "I love my kitties so much" - but "love" apparently means different things to many of us. Personality disorder can include "shallow or exaggerated emotions."
...So while we can choose to be critical of what appears to us to be a lack of "love," a lack of actual concern, a lack of responsibility, a lack of thought or care; we can express our outrage at what happened to the kitties (and Memini Kitty, they did NOT all end up in homes, let alone good ones! I don't know WHY you keep saying that!)...
... we can focus on all the wrong things.... but in the end, it keeps coming back to the same place. RussianKitten is handicapped by a mental condition that needs treatment.
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But Carolina, you're right. In the UK there are (apparently) inexpensive options available to help people get their cats the medical care they need. Her cats are in need of attention right now - on top of that, her commitment to being responsible for them includes being financially responsible. Insurance isn't necessarily the answer - but it is an option, and she has expressed a problem being able to afford emergency care.
I'm going to pretend that the cats were wandering down the street in search of food and shelter... when a pick up truck pulls by and a man and his daughter hop out. The daughter wants to take the kitties home, so the man whistles and waves a can of tuna. The cats come bounding over... they put them in the pickup truck and drive home. The cats immediately fall in love with the little girl, and she has fallen in love with them. After getting a quick vet check up, the cats become permanent house members... the little girl begs her dad to please let the cats sleep in her room, and so now she has three warm, cuddly bed mates.
And the man, who also loves cats very much, spoils the cats thoroughly and feeds them plenty of wet food, and brings them plenty of cat toys and cat nip. The cats are so spoiled rotten that they've forgotten their past and are now living lovely lives.
CAT #1: "Ahh, this is the life!"
CAT #2: "This spot on the pillow is just so comfy, I shall never leave this spot... however, if my darling owner calls me, I shall leave the spot and make sure you do not set foot on it!"
CAT#1: "Ha! Why would I want your spot, you silly cat! There are plenty of comfy spots in this house--we are even allowed on the sofa!"
CAT #3: "I claim the lovely girl's lap, as she rubs me in the perfect spot--right behind the ears!"
Cat#2: "I change my mind--that is my spot!"
CAT #1: "How about we all share that spot?"
CAT#2: "Last one to the girl is a rotten egg!"
They race to the girl she laughs, her heart full of joy, as the three purring cats climb onto her lap....
CAT #1: "Ahh, this is the life!"
CAT #2: "This spot on the pillow is just so comfy, I shall never leave this spot... however, if my darling owner calls me, I shall leave the spot and make sure you do not set foot on it!"
CAT#1: "Ha! Why would I want your spot, you silly cat! There are plenty of comfy spots in this house--we are even allowed on the sofa!"
CAT #3: "I claim the lovely girl's lap, as she rubs me in the perfect spot--right behind the ears!"
Cat#2: "I change my mind--that is my spot!"
CAT #1: "How about we all share that spot?"
CAT#2: "Last one to the girl is a rotten egg!"
They race to the girl she laughs, her heart full of joy, as the three purring cats climb onto her lap....
I saw this thread late last night and wanted to respond, however, when it came down to writing a response, I realized I could not be objective. And, while I still feel I cannot be objective regarding this situation, I can now speak from a place of love -- love for you and for your precious kitties. However, please also know that while I am coming from a place of love, I'm angry, disturbed, and deeply saddened by what you've shared here.
I recently posted in another thread about how animals of any kind should not be purchased or adopted for the purpose of making one feel better about their situation or themself. Yes, we all know that cats (as well as other animals) are wonderful creatures. They love unconditionally and bring immense joy and happiness to those around them. Animals can make a lonely person feel a little less alone in the world and they can dry our tears on their soft, dense fur. They sleep with us at night and keep us on our toes during the day. We laugh at them, we cry for them, and we worry endlessly about them. They are our loved ones -- they are our family. But, in the end, it is not they who owe us anything. We owe them everything...and then some. With the joy that cats bring, they also bring responsibility. And, when we allow ourselves to see the allure of bringing just one more kitty into our families, we sometimes fail to recognize the responsibility that comes with them. And when we decide to bring a cat into our home, it is our responsibility to have put as much thought and effort into the summation of their lives as we have put in their arrival. Adopting to make one's self feel better is not an acceptable reason to adopt. No one can fix their insides by changing their outsides. It is when we try to do that that we fail. And, in this instance, you've not only failed yourself, but you've failed precious lives as well.
I have some serious concerns about the validity of this story. I worry that there is more that has happened that has yet to be shared and I am also concerned, and rightly so, given what we now know, that this is nothing but another attempt to gain sympathy and attention. However, regardless of that fact, I think this thread can be a tool for everyone on this site -- both old and new. Animal abuse comes in many forms and I'll be honest in that I am concerned about your current animals. And, I'm concerned about your own well-being. Along with others, I urge you to be honest with your case worker, family, and friends. While, if what you've shared is true and the totality of what has occurred, this is a good first step, we are not equipped to handle the severity of your issues on this forum. You need real time help and it is your responsibility -- both to yourself and to your current cats -- to ask for and then make use of that help.
I don't think there is anything more I can say that hasn't already been said. And, in all honesty, I'm not willing to continue coddling or reassuring you. What you did was wrong. There are no if's, and's, or but's about it. You were wrong and you hurt both yourself and many precious cats. I feel bad for you, yes. But, even more than that, I'm angry with you for not taking care of yourself to the extent that you harmed your cats. I said that I was coming from a place of love, and I am, but that love needs to come from you. Mental illness or not, you've made some serious mistakes and it's now your responsibility to ensure that they are never made again. We all have our demons and we've all made mistakes. I'm not faulting you for that. However, you've continued to make the same mistake over and over again -- much to the detriment of your mental health and stability and the safety of your kitties. Are you willing to make the changes that need to be made? Are you willing to do something different (read: I said do something different, not think something different)? You and your cats are in a danger zone right now and there are red flags waving from all directions. The time to change is now. And that change needs to come from within, not from words on a computer screen. All this means nothing if you don't take action. What are you planning to do to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again?
I don't condone what you've done. And just because you've admitted your wrongs does not change how I feel about your situation. I honestly feel this is just another ploy to glean attention and sympathy from the forum. I hope that's not the case, but you're going to need to prove to all of us (and to those in your life -- including your case worker and, more importantly, yourself) that you're willing to do the hard work that brings about change. Talk means nothing. Action means everything. And, in this case, it's a life and death situation...for you and for your kits. I'll pray for you and yours that this time things will be different, but unless something changes, those prayers will fall upon deaf ears. And I sincerely hope that that's not the case.
One last thing -- I'm of the camp that believes that it is perhaps not in anyone's best interest that you continue to care for the cats you have now. Change takes time and I don't know if you're mature, willing, or responsible enough to make those changes right now. Perhaps it would be in everyone's best interest for those cats to be placed in proper homes where their needs can be cared for. I know you say you love them, but, right now, if you've made the mistakes you've made, you can't love anyone -- not even yourself, and that makes for a very sticky situation. I am concerned about both you and your cats and, while it would be tragic to yet again have to adopt out cats that you have under your care, it may be the best option. However, that being said, I would definitely consider involving rescue or animal advocacy agencies. I don't think you're of sound mind to ensure their safety and, more than that, I think you need to face consequences for your actions. It's not about punishment, it's about growth. Pain, be it physical or emotional, is a great motivator and is often the prime catalyst of change.
How much do you love your cats? How much do you love yourself? Be honest because lying has gotten you in the position you're in now. Only you can dig yourself out, but are you willing to take anyone (ie. your cats) down with you before you're strong enough and have the proper tools to claw yourself to the top? Once again, the choice is yours. I desperately hope you make the right one...
I recently posted in another thread about how animals of any kind should not be purchased or adopted for the purpose of making one feel better about their situation or themself. Yes, we all know that cats (as well as other animals) are wonderful creatures. They love unconditionally and bring immense joy and happiness to those around them. Animals can make a lonely person feel a little less alone in the world and they can dry our tears on their soft, dense fur. They sleep with us at night and keep us on our toes during the day. We laugh at them, we cry for them, and we worry endlessly about them. They are our loved ones -- they are our family. But, in the end, it is not they who owe us anything. We owe them everything...and then some. With the joy that cats bring, they also bring responsibility. And, when we allow ourselves to see the allure of bringing just one more kitty into our families, we sometimes fail to recognize the responsibility that comes with them. And when we decide to bring a cat into our home, it is our responsibility to have put as much thought and effort into the summation of their lives as we have put in their arrival. Adopting to make one's self feel better is not an acceptable reason to adopt. No one can fix their insides by changing their outsides. It is when we try to do that that we fail. And, in this instance, you've not only failed yourself, but you've failed precious lives as well.
I have some serious concerns about the validity of this story. I worry that there is more that has happened that has yet to be shared and I am also concerned, and rightly so, given what we now know, that this is nothing but another attempt to gain sympathy and attention. However, regardless of that fact, I think this thread can be a tool for everyone on this site -- both old and new. Animal abuse comes in many forms and I'll be honest in that I am concerned about your current animals. And, I'm concerned about your own well-being. Along with others, I urge you to be honest with your case worker, family, and friends. While, if what you've shared is true and the totality of what has occurred, this is a good first step, we are not equipped to handle the severity of your issues on this forum. You need real time help and it is your responsibility -- both to yourself and to your current cats -- to ask for and then make use of that help.
I don't think there is anything more I can say that hasn't already been said. And, in all honesty, I'm not willing to continue coddling or reassuring you. What you did was wrong. There are no if's, and's, or but's about it. You were wrong and you hurt both yourself and many precious cats. I feel bad for you, yes. But, even more than that, I'm angry with you for not taking care of yourself to the extent that you harmed your cats. I said that I was coming from a place of love, and I am, but that love needs to come from you. Mental illness or not, you've made some serious mistakes and it's now your responsibility to ensure that they are never made again. We all have our demons and we've all made mistakes. I'm not faulting you for that. However, you've continued to make the same mistake over and over again -- much to the detriment of your mental health and stability and the safety of your kitties. Are you willing to make the changes that need to be made? Are you willing to do something different (read: I said do something different, not think something different)? You and your cats are in a danger zone right now and there are red flags waving from all directions. The time to change is now. And that change needs to come from within, not from words on a computer screen. All this means nothing if you don't take action. What are you planning to do to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again?
I don't condone what you've done. And just because you've admitted your wrongs does not change how I feel about your situation. I honestly feel this is just another ploy to glean attention and sympathy from the forum. I hope that's not the case, but you're going to need to prove to all of us (and to those in your life -- including your case worker and, more importantly, yourself) that you're willing to do the hard work that brings about change. Talk means nothing. Action means everything. And, in this case, it's a life and death situation...for you and for your kits. I'll pray for you and yours that this time things will be different, but unless something changes, those prayers will fall upon deaf ears. And I sincerely hope that that's not the case.
One last thing -- I'm of the camp that believes that it is perhaps not in anyone's best interest that you continue to care for the cats you have now. Change takes time and I don't know if you're mature, willing, or responsible enough to make those changes right now. Perhaps it would be in everyone's best interest for those cats to be placed in proper homes where their needs can be cared for. I know you say you love them, but, right now, if you've made the mistakes you've made, you can't love anyone -- not even yourself, and that makes for a very sticky situation. I am concerned about both you and your cats and, while it would be tragic to yet again have to adopt out cats that you have under your care, it may be the best option. However, that being said, I would definitely consider involving rescue or animal advocacy agencies. I don't think you're of sound mind to ensure their safety and, more than that, I think you need to face consequences for your actions. It's not about punishment, it's about growth. Pain, be it physical or emotional, is a great motivator and is often the prime catalyst of change.
How much do you love your cats? How much do you love yourself? Be honest because lying has gotten you in the position you're in now. Only you can dig yourself out, but are you willing to take anyone (ie. your cats) down with you before you're strong enough and have the proper tools to claw yourself to the top? Once again, the choice is yours. I desperately hope you make the right one...
And while that is a lovely dream, it is completely unhelpful in terms of RussianKitty owning up to what she did, what may have actually happened to her cats, and does not help provide her any impetus to seek treatment for her condition - which is essential to her happiness and perhaps the lives of more cats.Originally Posted by meminikitty
I'm going to pretend that the cats were wandering down the street in search of food and shelter... when a pick up truck pulls by and a man and his daughter hop out. The daughter wants to take the kitties home, so the man whistles and waves a can of tuna. The cats come bounding over... they put them in the pickup truck and drive home. The cats immediately fall in love with the little girl, and she has fallen in love with them. After getting a quick vet check up, the cats become permanent house members... the little girl begs her dad to please let the cats sleep in her room, and so now she has three warm, cuddly bed mates.And the man, who also loves cats very much, spoils the cats thoroughly and feeds them plenty of wet food, and brings them plenty of cat toys and cat nip. The cats are so spoiled rotten that they've forgotten their past and are now living lovely lives.
CAT #1: "Ahh, this is the life!"
CAT #2: "This spot on the pillow is just so comfy, I shall never leave this spot... however, if my darling owner calls me, I shall leave the spot and make sure you do not set foot on it!"
CAT#1: "Ha! Why would I want your spot, you silly cat! There are plenty of comfy spots in this house--we are even allowed on the sofa!"
CAT #3: "I claim the lovely girl's lap, as she rubs me in the perfect spot--right behind the ears!"
Cat#2: "I change my mind--that is my spot!"
CAT #1: "How about we all share that spot?"
CAT#2: "Last one to the girl is a rotten egg!"
They race to the girl she laughs, her heart full of joy, as the three purring cats climb onto her lap....
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I am sorry but reading this makes me even more sad. It reminds me of the story, the little match girl, I don't know if it's famous in the US - the fact that it is just in our imagination makes it even more painful. While we can dream of great things happening to these cats, it's not reality and it's just as easy and equally possible to imagine something the opposite of a good lifeOriginally Posted by meminikitty
I'm going to pretend that the cats were wandering down the street in search of food and shelter... when a pick up truck pulls by and a man and his daughter hop out. The daughter wants to take the kitties home, so the man whistles and waves a can of tuna. The cats come bounding over... they put them in the pickup truck and drive home. The cats immediately fall in love with the little girl, and she has fallen in love with them. After getting a quick vet check up, the cats become permanent house members... the little girl begs her dad to please let the cats sleep in her room, and so now she has three warm, cuddly bed mates.And the man, who also loves cats very much, spoils the cats thoroughly and feeds them plenty of wet food, and brings them plenty of cat toys and cat nip. The cats are so spoiled rotten that they've forgotten their past and are now living lovely lives.
CAT #1: "Ahh, this is the life!"
CAT #2: "This spot on the pillow is just so comfy, I shall never leave this spot... however, if my darling owner calls me, I shall leave the spot and make sure you do not set foot on it!"
CAT#1: "Ha! Why would I want your spot, you silly cat! There are plenty of comfy spots in this house--we are even allowed on the sofa!"
CAT #3: "I claim the lovely girl's lap, as she rubs me in the perfect spot--right behind the ears!"
Cat#2: "I change my mind--that is my spot!"
CAT #1: "How about we all share that spot?"
CAT#2: "Last one to the girl is a rotten egg!"
They race to the girl she laughs, her heart full of joy, as the three purring cats climb onto her lap....
Oh RussianKitten, please don't be hurt by my story of your 3 cats, but I felt I had to share it. Isn't it a beautiful story, anyway? It gave me hope! And by the way, RussianKitten, I hope you've gotten enough support on this forum, and that you'll be able to go on in life without making the same mistake once again. I don't know how everyone else feels, I can't speak for them, but I can assure you that I do forgive you for what you did to the cats and hope it doesn't happen again
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One of the things that russiankitten does not seem to understand is that cats and kittens are living breathing feeling creatures.
Yes this person needs real life intervention and help.
Perhaps the support worker, fearful of losing a consumer (that's the term in the USA) and having her hours cut, is not reporting the facts accurately to her superiors and/or the social worker on the case.
I work in human services, and do the type of work I am guessing the support worker does. She is not responsible for getting RK into the proper services. That's the Social (or Case) Worker's job.
The support worker's job runs more along the lines of seeing rk keeps her appointments, for example providing transportation to those services. The support worker sees rk overwhelmed in taking on the cats, so makes the suggestion that perhaps rk should not have so many cats. The support worker should be reporting to the social worker and/or the supervisor of whatever program she works for, what is happening so that the Social Worker can intervene.
And seeing revolving cats in rk's home is certainly something that should be reported.
Yes this person needs real life intervention and help.
Perhaps the support worker, fearful of losing a consumer (that's the term in the USA) and having her hours cut, is not reporting the facts accurately to her superiors and/or the social worker on the case.
I work in human services, and do the type of work I am guessing the support worker does. She is not responsible for getting RK into the proper services. That's the Social (or Case) Worker's job.
The support worker's job runs more along the lines of seeing rk keeps her appointments, for example providing transportation to those services. The support worker sees rk overwhelmed in taking on the cats, so makes the suggestion that perhaps rk should not have so many cats. The support worker should be reporting to the social worker and/or the supervisor of whatever program she works for, what is happening so that the Social Worker can intervene.
And seeing revolving cats in rk's home is certainly something that should be reported.
This is a very good point. Perhaps her support worker understands her limitations and THAT is why she keeps encouraging RussianKitten to give up ALL her cats.
I'm not sure that RussianKitten is able to answer either of those questions. It may very well be that she doesn't experience those emotions in the same way. And lying got her a lot of attention. As has this thread. A lot of attention in her real world, and the "truth" - a lot of attention in the cyber world.
I think it doesn't really matter whether or not RussianKitten is telling the truth or lying; I don't think she needs to "be honest" with herself about how much she "loves" her cats. She may not be capable of it.
What does matter is that she get treatment for her problems, and that WITH someone trained in dealing with her mental health problem, they determine whether or not she should be caring for cats at all.
What she should be honest about - because it requires no emotional content - is whether or not she can AFFORD to care for the cats.
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Well that's quite a stretch of the imagination. We know nothing of this worker, or what russiankitty has told her. I think it's completely unfair to even hint that this person isn't doing the job properly, and even accuse this person of doing a poor job for financial gain is beyond the pale.
The responsibility to get help lies squarely with the OP. If she is going to college as she claims, then she is smart enough to reach out for help. If she can get around well enough to go to pet stores and God knows where else to get these cats and kittens, and presents herself well enough that people actually hand them over, then she is functioning well enough to take some responsibility and initiative to talk to someone about getting herself some help. Maybe this worker can at least get her in touch with someone who can help her.
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I wasn't making accusations. It was a hypothetical statement. ("perhaps") But okay, I grant that statement about losing a consumer was out of place. Just my cynical mind at work, knowing what goes on.
However.
I brought it up because earlier in this thread someone was saying that the support worker should be seeing that rk get this or that kind of help.
If an individual has a support worker, then the individual is part of a "system" in Human Services. Like every business there is a chain of command.
Support worker is the lowest link of that chain (not meaning that in a derogatory way) and has no power to help, except within the limits of her position.
It's not in the support worker's power to get rk into psychiatric care and so on. She's the one who sees the consumer the most often though and it is her responsibility to inform the Social (or Case) Worker of what is going on, and then the proper steps can be taken.
if rk is hiding things from the support worker, well, that is a problem. But I would think that revolving cats would be a clue that something was not right in this person's world just now. These current cats are just as much at risk as the others, IMO. This is a very serious issue.
However.
I brought it up because earlier in this thread someone was saying that the support worker should be seeing that rk get this or that kind of help.
If an individual has a support worker, then the individual is part of a "system" in Human Services. Like every business there is a chain of command.
Support worker is the lowest link of that chain (not meaning that in a derogatory way) and has no power to help, except within the limits of her position.
It's not in the support worker's power to get rk into psychiatric care and so on. She's the one who sees the consumer the most often though and it is her responsibility to inform the Social (or Case) Worker of what is going on, and then the proper steps can be taken.
if rk is hiding things from the support worker, well, that is a problem. But I would think that revolving cats would be a clue that something was not right in this person's world just now. These current cats are just as much at risk as the others, IMO. This is a very serious issue.
You know what really bothers me about this thread? We are supposed to be a community, not only of cat lovers, but of friends. I am really disturbed how many people posted that she was wrong. She already KNOWS she did wrong. It takes a lot of courage to admit to someone, in fact a group of people (even over the internet) that she made wrong choices. I honestly admire her for that. Sometimes it's easier to share things first with people that you don't know personally.
It just makes me sad that people are putting her down for what she did in the past. All the people that just condemned her....do YOU have a personality disorder, or even know what that entails?
I agree, she needs help and maybe medication. But what happened, has happened and it's in the past. Now, I think she needs the support the get on with the future and love and care for the kitties that she has. And, if this is a "hoax" person just looking for attention, then I'm a sucker, but I don't think she is. I think she is actually someone that is looking for support and guidance.
I'm sorry if I made anyone mad with this post, but it really makes me think twice about sharing things here.
It just makes me sad that people are putting her down for what she did in the past. All the people that just condemned her....do YOU have a personality disorder, or even know what that entails?
I agree, she needs help and maybe medication. But what happened, has happened and it's in the past. Now, I think she needs the support the get on with the future and love and care for the kitties that she has. And, if this is a "hoax" person just looking for attention, then I'm a sucker, but I don't think she is. I think she is actually someone that is looking for support and guidance.
I'm sorry if I made anyone mad with this post, but it really makes me think twice about sharing things here.
Hope, I think some people don't understand the problems associated with personality disorder. I didn't know what it was until RussianKitten mentioned it and I did research.
So again - for those who don't know, I'll quote my earlier post.
So again - for those who don't know, I'll quote my earlier post.
And if this is a hoax - she (or he) still needs treatment!
People just need to cool off a bit. She only admitted this yesterday. People are ranting a bit right now, but pretty soon they'll forgive her.
Because everyone is so good on this forum.
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I see things completely differently, Calico. I did not think, in general, people are putting rk down. I think they are being honest about their feelings on the situation, and sincere in their efforts to offer helpful advice.
Meminikitty, in my opinion it has nothing to do with forgiving her. What's done is done. At this point, as far as I'm concerned, it is all about encouraging RussianKitten to seek proper treatment for her condition. That is truly all that matters.
That does make sense. Encouragement is good.
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Again, I think most people understand that this person has a mental illness. And we here are not equppied to help this person other than to say "get help".
Mental Illness is an illness, but it is not an excuse.
The problem is, cats lives are at risk in the midst of all this rhetoric, and not one of us can do a thing about it.
That is hurting us all, I think.
Like you, a part of me still is thinking....this can't be real. We may never know, but I've been fooled before, in my years on the internet. And certain......types....love to jerk the hearts of pet lovers, especially cat lovers.
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Exactly...perfectly said!
I know that RussianKitten is sick and needs help. But, the cats are the ones who are getting abandoned and that is more urgent in my mind ...but there is nothing that can be done, the only way to save the three cats she has now is to encourage her to get help. It's hard to think that nothing can be done, and even worse to think about what has already been done and can't be fixed
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