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post #1 of 25
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What do you think about Prostitution? Should it be legal for a woman to offer sex in exchange for money?
post #2 of 25
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This may sound weird....




First of all. I could never ever be a prostitute, and I think it is VERY wrong that married or committed men/women go to prostitutes. It's very unfair to their s/o with whom they are cheating on.



That said --- I have a few points to make.


1) What exactly is the difference between letting a man take you out, spend a lot of money on you, buy you a few gifts.. etc and then sleeping with him. I'm not saying all women do this, but isn't it the same thing if you are seeing men for their money and the men are continually going back to you for sex and know that all they have to do is continue to shower you with gifts etc to recieve it. What exactly is the difference here?



2) If prostitution is made legal AND controlled by the state so that it is SAFE, I can't see a problem with it. Make it so all 'Prostitutes' have to register and get regular health check-ups to maintain a 'license' to 'do the deed'. Not only that, but people who wish to visit these prostitutes would have to register and show 'cards' that they have a clean bill of health too? And of course mandatory 'protection' (i.e. condom contraception). Prostitution will never fully go away, it will ALWAYS happen. Why not legalize it, do everything you can to make it safe. Not only does this take away from a lot of prisons/jail cells being consumed by people that have been arrested for prostitution, but it allows the law enforcement to concentrate on more serious subjects like gang wars, drug deals, domestic violence, etc.


The taxes spent to feed the prostitutes that are being held in jail can go elsewhere.


I know this sounds kinda weird. I don't really agree with prostitution, but I think it costs us more money to make it illegal than legal.
post #3 of 25
Personally, I would never be involved with a man, who utilizes prostitutes and I could never do it, myself.

Being a realist, though, I know that its been going on, for thousands of years and will continue. Regulating, licensing and medically monitoring prostitutes is a good way to go.

Nevada has had legal brothels, for a long time and the system seems to work well. There has never been a single case of AIDS connected with a LEGAL brothel, in the state of Nevada. The same cannot be said of illegal prostitution.

Aside from disease, legalized prostitution deters the exploitation of minors, by pimps. While working with the police dept., we picked up girls, as young as eight, working the streets.

Prostitution, in and of itself, is not the problem. The associated ills (drug use, disease, assaults by pimps and johns) are what need to be addressed, as well as the economic reasons that steer women and men to this profession.
post #4 of 25
Although I probably couldn't do this myself, I see this as a viable way to make alot of money, just like stripping.
post #5 of 25
There hasn't been a successful bid to eradicate prostitution by any civilization.

Besides the obvious benefit of being able to ensure the health and safety of those who choose to participate, can you imagine how much money in taxes it could bring in? Seriously, legalize marijuana and prostitution and there would be no more deficit with the amount of "sin tax" the government could put on both. Obviously no one has a problem with the amount of tax on cigarettes, even think we deserve to pay it for our vice. So instead of making the rest of us pay for thier vices while the users of both sit in jail, let them pay for services we haven't even been able to conceive yet for the rest of society.
post #6 of 25
Earlier this year in Canada, the whole issue of creating red light districts was in the news. Here's an article from Canoe.ca:



Seeing red over sex trade regulation plan

By LAURA CZEKAJ, Ottawa Sun



OTTAWA -- An Ottawa MP's controversial plan to regulate the sex trade has a wary national prostitutes' rights organization seeing red. Red lights, to be precise.

"With his version of legalization we will end up with a red-light district in every major city in Canada," predicted Valerie Scott, spokeswoman for the Sex Professionals of Canada.


Scott was enraged at Ottawa-Centre Liberal MP Mac Harb's attempt this past week through a private member's bill to give cities the power to license and regulate brothels.

Scott said Harb is not trying to help sex trade workers, but rather keep them under lock and key. She claims he didn't seek input from prostitution rights groups in formulating his bill.

"It's a great detriment, and it will never work because it's inherently corrupt," she said.

This is Harb's second attempt at regulating the sex trade. Three years ago he tried to pass a similar Criminal Code amendment.

Under his current plan, municipalities could approve brothel licences and locations. Harb hopes such a measure would reduce street-level prostitution, eliminate pimps and improve health standards for those in the trade.

Constance Backhouse, a criminal law professor at the University of Ottawa, says Harb's bill would probably reduce street prostitution and the number of young people in the sex trade -- a feat that similar regulations have accomplished in Amsterdam.

WON'T ELIMINATE

"But even in Amsterdam, where they have gone to a full regulatory framework, there are illegal immigrants and really young kids who are still on the street who don't want to work in the brothels, or can't get jobs in the brothels," Backhouse said. "It certainly doesn't completely eliminate the problem."

Criminal laws should focus more on the pimps and johns who exploit women, Backhouse said.

Others believe that the only way to put a real dent in Ottawa's prostitution problem is to fill the income and housing gap that drives women into prostitution.

"If women had their basic needs met, they probably would not be resorting to prostitution," said Sue Garvey, executive director of Cornerstone, a non-profit group that provides emergency accommodation and basic needs for homeless women.

Harb, meanwhile, has said the bill also seeks to improve health standards for those in the trade.

However, Scott questioned the reasoning behind mandatory health checks for prostitutes.

"Why everyone wants these prostitutes to have health checks is ultimately they want us to have our certificate that says we are Grade A, disease-free meat so that they can say, 'You don't have anything, that's wonderful, I am not using a condom'," she said.

Robert Johnson, an advocate for Toronto's prostitution community, said decriminalization, not legalization, is the only way to help sex trade workers.

"Whereas a legalized system generally includes a lot of extra steps for people to go through, mandatory health checks for example," he said. "That's not very desirable and it's generally seen as a civil liberties violation."
post #7 of 25
I don't see what the big problem they have with health checks is all about. It's only an invasion of privacy if they publish any test results. If you are coming into intimate contact, condom or no, with multiple people as a profession then you need to be healthy! And why do they think that having health checks would reduce the use of condoms? Wouldn't that also be "regulated"?

Sounds like that particular person wants something for nothing, to me. Give me the benefits, but I won't make any concessions.
post #8 of 25
The employees of the Nevada brothels must be examined and tested, weekly and condom use is mandatory. Any woman who does not bring in her doctor's certificate is out of work and any establishment that allows a woman to work without one, loses its license.

Historical note: the term "red-light district" dates to the late 1800s. "Cribs" were near the railroad tracks and conductors and brakemen, visiting the girls, would leave their red lanterns outside the door, so that the rest of the train crew knew where to find them.

In ancient times, men would visit the priestesses, at the Temple of Astarte and have sex with them. This was a ritual, to ensure fertile crops and prosperity. Since the men made a "donation" to the temple, those women are considered prostitutes.
post #9 of 25
Here's another piece of information to throw into the conversation:

Research shows that close to 100% of women and girls who are engaged in the sex trade here in the USA were sexually and/or physically abused in childhood by a parent or other loved one. Thus, prostitution serves as further exploitation of a woman or child who has been exploited and abused throughout her life.
post #10 of 25
A few months ago, I read a book called "Brothel". I don't remember the author's name but this started out as her doctoral dissertation and expanded into a book.

She spent several years, hanging out at some Nevada "houses", interviewing the women, owners and johns. A lot of the women, in the book, have husbands and families and treat it like just another job.

Surprisingly, most of the small communities don't mind these businesses. When Fran's Place, in Beaty burned down, the town held fundraisers, to help her rebuild. They DO bring in a lot of revenue, to a small town. Its not as if they are right smack in the middle of Main Street and access is controlled. No one under 18 is admitted and no one under 21 is served liquor.
post #11 of 25
Its legal in so many places, its odd it hasn't been legalized here.

My thoughts are this;
As long as its a 'profession', it should be regulated as such. Health checks, licensing, whatever it takes to make it safe. If a woman chooses to do this ( and I would NEVER, but others may not mind), its her body. She has to live with the emotional side. So long as she is healthy, uses condoms, and follows any other rules that would be put forth I just don't see a problem with it.
post #12 of 25
i don't agree with prostitution and i don't think it's right, BUT this is the US and I can't see it hurting anyone but the willing parties, so I think in the land of the free they should be allowed to use their bodies for money. I also agree with regulations and screenings (for both the do-er and the do-ee)..
post #13 of 25
It should be legalised.
But I think that the main reason for legalizing it should be health, ie the control of disease. And i think that in legalising it is a moral and ethical obligation to do more to change the attitudes of the next generations. IE, to make sure our children are not dependant on or victims of prostitution.
post #14 of 25
I too agree with the health checks, licenses for both parties, manditory condom use,etc.,etc., etc.

How would a state government regulate the sales tax per transaction for lack of a better word? There are taxes on other kinds of goods so how would this be taxed? It maybe that prostitution would fall into the catergory of service. A tax would still have to be enforced somewhere, maybe not sales tax if this is a service but some kind of taxes. There would have to be some kind of records kept to show this in order for the taxes to be enforced.

Would the person that is a patron of the prostitiute be given a receipt, would all transactions be on a credit card for references?

Just something to make you go hummmm
post #15 of 25
I read today that New Zealand has passed legislation, legalizing brothels. It was in Yahoo News.
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
It amazes me, as greedy as our government is or can be, that they haven't cashed in on the potential money that it could make them. It really would be a major battle though. There are a lot of men and women who are extremely religious and wouldn't stand for a law like this being passed, but honestly I think it is in the best interest of everyone involved to just legalize it.
post #17 of 25
Cindy - yeah it was legalised in NZ. Amazing.
post #18 of 25
Prostitution has been legal for some years in the Netherlands (not just Amsterdam).

I am not sure if or how much, health issues have improved, though.
Many prostitutes do not have residence permits (I don't like the word illegal), so they do not register or get health checks.

However, legalization has led to some interesting moral and pratical situations.

1) Does taking tax money from prostitutes make the state a pimp?
2) When you are unemployed, declining any legal job offered to you by the Employment Exchange, has consequences for your unemployment benefit.
Prostitution is a legal job . See where this is leading to?
(it was ruled that Employment Exchanges do NOT have to offer prostitution as a legal job and that an unemployed person (m/f)does not need to except)

Personally I do not object to prostitution being legal.
Especially since in the Netherlands, only being a prostitute was illegal and not being the client.
Besides, I have never heard of anyone becoming a prostitute for fun. Mostly the stories are heartbreaking. Making (or keeping) prostitution illegal does not make the history and lifes of those girls and boys any better.
post #19 of 25
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Originally posted by lotsocats
Here's another piece of information to throw into the conversation:

Research shows that close to 100% of women and girls who are engaged in the sex trade here in the USA were sexually and/or physically abused in childhood by a parent or other loved one. Thus, prostitution serves as further exploitation of a woman or child who has been exploited and abused throughout her life.
Yes but what if all the women were put through counselling as well as the health checks? Maybe that would also help them to stop working in the sex trade.


Quote:
Originally posted by dtolle
Its legal in so many places, its odd it hasn't been legalized here.

My thoughts are this;
As long as its a 'profession', it should be regulated as such. Health checks, licensing, whatever it takes to make it safe. If a woman chooses to do this ( and I would NEVER, but others may not mind), its her body. She has to live with the emotional side. So long as she is healthy, uses condoms, and follows any other rules that would be put forth I just don't see a problem with it.
What about if it was men as well? We are all talking about the women prostitutes, what about the men. There are men in the sex trade right??


Quote:
Originally posted by blondiecat
Would the person that is a patron of the prostitiute be given a receipt, would all transactions be on a credit card for references?
I wonder if they would do it that way, or would the patrons be too embarrassed.

All in all I think it might be a good idea to legalize it but only with the following things happening:

-Screening for both, as annabelle33 put it, the do-er and the do-ee
-Counselling
-Health checks (are they the same as screening?) for both
-Licenses for the prostitute
-Registry for the patrons
-Mandatory condom
-Having all prostitutes , male and female, in Brothels
-Controlled access to brothels
post #20 of 25
Originally posted by Tybalt
<There is quite a difference between an educated courtesan and a crack whore.>

Yes, but sadly there is also a big similarity.
>>They are not treated with respect and never will be <<

Like e.g. posing for nude pictures, this is something that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Can you imagine what would happen if word got out that, let's say Hilary Clinton, had financed her way through college by being a call girl, or escort lady, or whatever you call it.

I don't not believe this is as it should be, BTW. I think people should be judged first and for all, by what they are now and not by what they once were or did.
post #21 of 25
If you have got it flaunt it. When I was little it was my dream in life to be a play boy model or a stripper I don't know where the idea popped into my head but I thought it would be a great job. I'm just not built for that right now but if I was I would do it. I don't think it is degrading or disrespectful.

I don't like the idea or married people paying for sex, because that is cheating. but if a single guy or girl wants to pay and the people provided the service are healthy and use protection i don't see what the problem is. It is not illegal to get a massage, that is kinda just alike a spiecal message
post #22 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by Tybalt
I've posed for nude pictures and I'm damn proud of the way I look. I put hours of sweat and hard work into maintaining my body.

The problem is with the snobs who don't respect them, not lack of self-respect.
Good for you!!

I didn't mean to say there was anything wrong with posing for nude pictures, especially not if you do it because you are proud of yourself (and maybe make big bucks in the process .
I only mentioned it as an example, because it is often done just for the money and by young people who are more or less forced. Not unlike prostitution.

I don't consider myself to be a snob, but then, I suppose no-one ever does
But I wonder if I would ever take my boss seriously again if I had seen him in Playgirl with his fly open.
Brrrrrrrrr
post #23 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by Seagull
Good for you!!

I didn't mean to say there was anything wrong with posing for nude pictures, especially not if you do it because you are proud of yourself (and maybe make big bucks in the process .
I only mentioned it as an example, because it is often done just for the money and by young people who are more or less forced. Not unlike prostitution.

I don't consider myself to be a snob, but then, I suppose no-one ever does
But I wonder if I would ever take my boss seriously again if I had seen him in Playgirl with his fly open.
Brrrrrrrrr
put then again why were you looking at play girl
post #24 of 25
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LMAO! Tybalt I love your sense of humor.
post #25 of 25
If we live in a FREE country, then why isn't it already legal? Yes, I think it should be legal if it is what one chooses to do, however I agree it should be mandated for safty reasons. I think it should be a free choice thing not something that someone should have to do if they don't want to.
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