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Is Dem. rhetoric about healthcare opposition just another "climate of fear"?

post #1 of 6
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Obama has cautioned not to use "a climate of fear" in the healthcare debate. Apparently, once again, that only applies to the other side (those opposed).

A plethora of high profile people have said that opposition to the healthcare reform bills is based in racism.

i.e. Jimmy Carter

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"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American," Carter told "NBC Nightly News."
Rep. Charles Rangle (D-NY)

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Rep. Charles Rangel said Tuesday that "bias" and "prejudice" toward Obama are fueling opposition to health-care reform.
Columnist Maureen Dowd (specifically about Joe Wilson's outburst of "You lie!" but almost directly following a statement about the healthcare opponents:

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I’ve been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer — the frantic efforts to paint our first black president as the Other, a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi; a cad who would snuff old people; a snake who would indoctrinate kids — had much to do with race.

<snip>

But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted “liar†at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.
Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA) in response to Rep. Wilson's outburst, in calling for rebuke of Wilson:

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In an obvious reference to the Ku Klux Klan, Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., said Tuesday that people will be putting on "white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside" if emerging racist attitudes, which he says were subtly supported by Wilson, are not rebuked.
Democratic Strategist Jehmu Green tried to turn it around, which sounds utterly ridiculous to me:

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But Democratic strategist Jehmu Greene told FOXNews.com that "shadowy right-wing groups" are the ones using the race card as way to scare white voters.

"No one wants to be called a racist," she said. "These right-wing groups are convincing people that Democrats and anyone who supports Obama will be called a racist if they speak out" in opposition. "They are trying to draw a racial line in the sand.

"They are playing the race card to oppose Obama's policies by preemptively saying that he is playing the race card."
Now Nancy Pelosi warns of violence because passions are too high (apparently only on the other side, again). She almost started crying. (that's my editorial comment )

Max Baucus (D-MT) makes it a moral obligation to do it and do it NOW

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"The time has come to act," he said. "We have a moral obligation to pass health care reform this year."
It seems to me that the message is that if you oppose the healthcare reform being offered by the Democratic Congress, then you're racist,
inciting violence, and immoral.

I'm not even sure why it's referred to as "Obama's Healthcare Reform" since all he's done is say he wants something done and defend the tripe put out by the Democratic Committees in the House and Senate. But that's really beside the point.

The point is that it seems to me that the "climate of fear" that Obama rallied against during his campaign and even as recently as his speech on the healthcare reform is being played by his party to sell this healthcare reform and do it before they have to start campaigning and definitely before mid-term elections. The only difference is that it was international fear played by Bush, and domestic fear played by Obama.
post #2 of 6
I think there are factors that are getting mixed up. I disagree that the message is that opposition to health care reform is equivalent to racism.

I heard what Carter had to say and he did NOT say that "opposition to the healthcare reform bills is based in racism," he said that the degree of personal attacks is influenced by racism and I think he is right - the election of a black President has brought latent and overt racism to the surface. There are simply people out there who wanted to cling to their presumed superiority which was based on nothing but the fact that they have fair skin whose only option now to preserve it is to force failure onto Obama. And they don't care who or what they take with them.

I do believe that there are white racists in the US who are incensed that a black man (actually bi-racial) is President. For example my husband's family. These people also fit in with the "send-out-chain-emails-full-of-distortions-and-lies-figuring-most-people-don't-factcheck-to-influence-opinion" crowd. Some of the stuff they have been sending to us has been very hateful. Since this garbage is coming from the same people who are advocating carrying serious weapons in public and I wonder how many of them are loose cannons (figuratively) I can't say I'm happy that there are so many wingnuts fueling the fire. I was no fan of Bush but I don't think the undercurrent of protest or disdain ever reached the levels we're seeing now.

I think it is a real shame that a discussion of racism might further cloud the debate on health care reform. There may well be legitimate reasons to oppose the bill as it currently stands, and a discussion up front could be used to hammer something out that would benefit the entire country, but what with high profile Republicans like Sarah Palin spouting out-and-out lies to create blind opposition, it has made it hard to have a rational, unemotional, fact-based assessment and discussion.

As to whether Joe Wilson felt free to shout "You lie" to a US President because that President's skin was black? I think it was more the climate of hate which has been whipped up. My opinion is that opposing healthcare reform doesn't mean that you are racist (and that really isn't what most of the quotes even said), but making a show of carrying weapons, trying to paint Obama as a Muslim, a Communist, a Fascist, and the level of epithets that have been thrown around (basically what Maureen Dowd said) does have a basis in race. Can anyone picture the same thing happening if John Kerry, Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton were President? No one has a problem with political opposition, surely it's possible to express it without resorting to the filth that we've getting barraged with lately. Then again filth is everywhere, not just in politics.
post #3 of 6
IMO when you run out of things to come back with when the opposition is pointing out very real and legit concerns, then you bring in the "race card" because you can't come up with any other legit reason.

Heaven forbid if you actually agree with the opposition in what they are saying ------ then you might have to vote no to the bill!
post #4 of 6
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post


It seems to me that the message is that if you oppose the healthcare reform being offered by the Democratic Congress, then you're racist,
inciting violence, and immoral.
It's not just if you oppose the health care. They are starting to call tax payers who go to tea parties, soldiers who go to war, and citizens who believe in the Constitutional rights, possible "terrorists".

The "race card" does not surprise me in the least.
post #5 of 6
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I think there are factors that are getting mixed up. I disagree that the message is that opposition to health care reform is equivalent to racism.

I heard what Carter had to say and he did NOT say that "opposition to the healthcare reform bills is based in racism," he said that the degree of personal attacks is influenced by racism and I think he is right - the election of a black President has brought latent and overt racism to the surface. There are simply people out there who wanted to cling to their presumed superiority which was based on nothing but the fact that they have fair skin whose only option now to preserve it is to force failure onto Obama. And they don't care who or what they take with them.

I do believe that there are white racists in the US who are incensed that a black man (actually bi-racial) is President. For example my husband's family. These people also fit in with the "send-out-chain-emails-full-of-distortions-and-lies-figuring-most-people-don't-factcheck-to-influence-opinion" crowd. Some of the stuff they have been sending to us has been very hateful. Since this garbage is coming from the same people who are advocating carrying serious weapons in public and I wonder how many of them are loose cannons (figuratively) I can't say I'm happy that there are so many wingnuts fueling the fire. I was no fan of Bush but I don't think the undercurrent of protest or disdain ever reached the levels we're seeing now.

I think it is a real shame that a discussion of racism might further cloud the debate on health care reform. There may well be legitimate reasons to oppose the bill as it currently stands, and a discussion up front could be used to hammer something out that would benefit the entire country, but what with high profile Republicans like Sarah Palin spouting out-and-out lies to create blind opposition, it has made it hard to have a rational, unemotional, fact-based assessment and discussion.

As to whether Joe Wilson felt free to shout "You lie" to a US President because that President's skin was black? I think it was more the climate of hate which has been whipped up. My opinion is that opposing healthcare reform doesn't mean that you are racist (and that really isn't what most of the quotes even said), but making a show of carrying weapons, trying to paint Obama as a Muslim, a Communist, a Fascist, and the level of epithets that have been thrown around (basically what Maureen Dowd said) does have a basis in race. Can anyone picture the same thing happening if John Kerry, Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton were President? No one has a problem with political opposition, surely it's possible to express it without resorting to the filth that we've getting barraged with lately. Then again filth is everywhere, not just in politics.
Emphasis added. One has only to look at a number of the signs being brandished by some demonstrators to see that spinning Carter's, etc., remarks as a mere hyperbolic attempt to shame people with legitimate criticism of the health care bill into silence isn't addressing the issue.
post #6 of 6
Sorry, I posted something here by mistake. It was supposed to go to the Wilson thread. I put it there now to avoid confusion. I hope it was okay for me to do that. Really sorry about the silly mistake.
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