Wilson - Reprimanded???

Why isn't Pelosi repremanded for lying about the CIA?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27184.html

Because he violated House rules:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...NsGyQD9AO0GH01

For instance??

I can't recall any of those things being yelled at Bush during a House address.

Here is a link with a historical perspective of the "Resolution of Disapproval" in the House.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...5/2069869.aspx
It looks to me like it's been going both ways for years.

Wilson=Kanye=jackass
enough said...


ETA

And as much as you all think he is suffering by being reprimanded- he is a lot of people's hero and has gained a lot of popularity for what he did (which is indeed really sad)

I can't comprehend why so many people refuse to accept the fact that there is racism against Obama. Have they seen some pictures from those town halls??? It reminds me of a KKK meeting more than a town hall.. I know we talked about it another thread too, but the whole issue with Wilson proves it even more...
I don't know how you can fail to see that race does play a factor. Many people in congress and in government are clearly not taking him seriously enough, not giving him the respect that he deserves simply for holding the office- that in itself is cause to question why he is getting this sort of treatment that no president has ever had, being shouted at not by some random protester but by a congressman??? Bush was ridiculed by comedians, foreign media, some of our media, but never by a member of Congress..

He apoligized to Obama, that should have been the end of it. I don't give two squirts of pee what an imbecil like Pelosi wants.

I won't deny that race may play a factor in the thought process (or lack thereof) of some people. but at the same time there is a growing number of people who are becoming disgusted at the state of politics as a whole in this country and feel that the federal government is too large.

I don't like Obama's politics but that doesn't mean I don't respect the office. At the same time I have a general dislike of politicians to begin with. There's a long list of politicians I have no respect for, some of which are long dead.

Joe Wilson apologized to the only person he needed to apologize to. I'd be willing to put up $20 that if the situations were reversed and it was one of Pelosi's cronies she'd be saying that it was a patriotic expression of so and so's freedom of speech. Stupidity and hypocricy reign supreme on Capitol Hill. It's what greases the square wheels of the bureaucracy.

The people whining over this are making a mountain out of very small mole hill.

Well, if there was racism against Obama, he wouldn't be president. The fact that he is our elected president clearly shows racism is not an issue here. People are upset about the spending, the horrific health care bill, plans to legalize illegal immigrants so they can be brought into the health care system, etc, etc, etc. But none of that has anything to do with racism. Under the same circumstances people would be just as upset with anybody else (any other president) regardless of the person's race, color, religion, whatever. Look at the country's reaction to the Kennedy-McCain amnesty bill in 2007. Also, if you think back of what happened, how the country reacted, when the Clintons came out with their health care reform proposal in 1993, you can't help but clearly see, racism has nothing to do with why people get upset about certain things.

Well some people who haven't experienced racism or haven't studied its trends and tendencies very specifically are always assuming that racism means that people consciously and in general dislike a certain race. However, it doesn't have to be consciously- many people are racist in very subtle ways and don't even realize it, but are putting their bias into the simplest decisions in life and color does matter while they are deluding themselves that they are not racist. This is the case for so many people, I've seen evidence of this among people in the south where I live.... So to dismiss race as an issue just because we elected a black president would be grossly simplifying things.

I'm getting damn sick of people yelling "RACE" every time someone picks a bone with Obama or ACORN or Gates/Crowley controversy.

I submit that those hollering "RACE" and pointing the finger are the true racists (like Wright, Carter, Jackson, etc.), since it is first and foremost on their minds. I believe that most of us don't even think in terms of race, but those that do are the ones who want to perpetuate the belief in racism in America, because it serves their purpose, and many have made it their living - Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, etc.

For me, it's a question of protocol and respect for the office. If members of congress are allowed to yell out anything they want at the President of the United States during a speech, what has our lawmaking body turned into? I find it disgusting that he did this, and afraid of the precedent it's setting.

So, for me, a formal reprimand is in order. Save the yelling for freakin' town meetings. Solve the problems. Keep your emotions in check while the Potus is speaking, show some respect. Otherwise, we're turning into a nation of people who don't listen and scream and yell at each other.

I was appalled by Wilson's outburst. And I do link it to racism. I doubt, and this is purely my opinion, he would have had the guts to yell that out at a President if that President was white.

This was a US joint session of Congress, not the British Parliament, where they are allowed to yell things out, and no one ever seems to be listening to each other. They all seem to be thinking of the next clever thing they're going to say.

What's wrong with holding your tongue, listening, and speaking later. Respect.

No one is defending Wilson for his outburst. It was clearly wrong. He did the decent thing and apologized to the President, and the apology was accepted. Case closed.

To suggest that it had anything to do with race only makes those with that belief appear to be the true racists. I'm not defending Wilson's reaction, but it was clearly in response to Obama's statement that no illegal would be covered under his plan. But Obama is making a misstatement (maybe not an intentional lie) but my understanding is that constitutionally you can't ask the legal status of a patient, so clearly there will be illegals covered under Obama's plan. Perhaps it is more complicated than that, but the remark had absolutely NOTHING to do with race.

I am really sick of the liberal democratic cry of racism at everything that doesn't go their way. It is just idiotic, moronic and juvenille. But those are adjectives that seem to fit well with the current administration.

Umm okay sure, Rev. Wright is preaching hate towards jews and whites...But that is different than the racism against Obama and blacks in general, Rev Wright- he is simply preaching, he isn't doing anything in order to oppress anyone. It would be different if he was a hiring manager and wasn't hiring whites for example. That would make him a true racist. Simply hating and preaching doesn't make one a racist, it just makes one prejudiced..there has to be actions involved for it to become racism. And so far as I can see, whites are not underpriviledged or oppressed in any way- in fact whites make up most government jobs, hold the most phds and make up the biggest percentage of the upper middle to upper class...So why waste your energy trying to find evidence that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Rev. Wright are racists when there is no system of oppression against whites to begin with??? I was so upset when they were trying to call judge Sotomayor racist...this is the same thing. Wow. I am at a loss for words, because it's ridiculous how superficial people can be, not just one or two people but the majority of people who believe that race is not an issue in the US anymore and that racism has apparently reversed and it is now blacks and hispanics who are racist against whites..

ETA: I forgot to mention- of course no one is saying that if you don't agree with Obama you are a racist!! Dusty's mom- I understand that a lot of people don't think in terms of race. And if you don't think in terms of race- you've probably never HAD to, you've never been prejudiced yourself and you haven't experienced racism towards you. So of course, if that is the case with you- you aren't going to be thinking in terms of race. Most of these people though- like Wright and ever Carter- have dealt with racism before and if it wasn't personally, going to law school definitely requires courses where you study it and that way you can recognize it. But just because YOU and your community and circle of friends don't think in terms of race, that doesn't mean that no one in this country does. I think the biggest proof that there are people out there who DO see Obama in terms of race are the pictures from town halls.

I don't think you need a history of oppression in order to be racist. I consider Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpe among the worst racists we have in this country. It doesn't matter what incident they stick their noses into, they ALWAYS turn it into a race issue. ALWAYS.

I'm sick and tired of the race card being pulled at every oppurtunity, I also got tried of Palin pulling the sexist card, but I am really tired of the level of rudeness that is becoming acceptable. People are crappy to each other and it doesn't matter who they are or why, but if the person getting crapped on happens to be black or female, someone pulls the racist/sexist card. White guys are just as crappy to white guys too. A lot of celebrities and politicians act crappy in public and we now have a culture which glorifies it by turning it into cheap TV programming. And I can't stand loudmoths like Beck, Limbaugh, Maddow, or Olbermann. Gimme someone like Bill Moyers.

Joe Wilson acted like a jerk but so did his Republican colleagues who were making it obvious that they didn't consider what the President had to say to be worth listening to, the way they were yawning and futzing with their blackberries. I really think it's time to put the brakes on the rudeness in our society.

Ok, so it takes an action to make someone a racist, otherwise they are just prejudiced. So, what about all the people that voted for Obama simply because "it would be nice to see a black president" and had no idea what his platform was? Does that make them racist in a good way? And there were a lot that voted for him for that reason only. I'm honestly just trying to figure that one out.

Race and gender can't be changed. It's a fact. And some stupid people will have a problem with it either way. I personally didn't vote for him because I didn't agree with him and I honestly didn't think he had enough experience to run the country. He was a junior senator for pete's sake! I respect the office but so far he hasn't done anything to earn my respect for him personally.

Sorry, went a bit off topic. I think Wilson was out of line but Obama accepted his apology and it should be over and done with. Since I'm not a member of congress, maybe a formal apology for disrupting the session is in order. I don't know the protocol

No that just makes them stupid....I can't figure it out either. Thankfully I don't know anyone who voted for him just because he's black.

Honestly ut0pia, as my mom would say, you are too smart for your own good, IMO. So basically, anyone that disagrees with Obama is a racist subconsciously? Really?? Come on...that is a stretch. Some people just don't agree with him just like some people didn't agree with Bush, Reagan, Clinton, Carter, etc. Why is it that it always comes down to race when people disagree with Obama? Are there stupid people that look at that? Yes. I can't deny that. But the majority of people I know don't care if he is pink with purple pokadots, but if they don't like what he's doing...they are racist.

And, I don't understand how Wilson's outburst had anything to do with race instead of politics.

I wasn't trying to say that everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist subconsciously. That would be ridiculous. But there are people who ARE racist and the Wilson outburst is a disrespect to the office of the president, it suggest people do not take the office of president as seriously as they would if it was held by a white male because I know no one has disrespected a US president like this. They have disagreed, ridiculed presidents but never to their face during a speech. I am just saying, those of you who haven't experienced racism will not understand and will continue shouting that racism is over, we don't think in terms of color, etc, etc...just because you feel that way doesn't mean that's true for everyone in the US.
For example, if you disagree with the president and ridicule his beliefs, politics- that is one thing and it's okay because it doesn't get personal and there is some constructive criticism there, another thing is to hold signs of him with Hitler's mustache drawn in or his portrait distorted to Batman's joker or a sign saying "N***r President bullshit" which are all signs i've seen around here. These things are personal attacks and don't have much to do with arguments against his politics. Well they could be, but they are more flat out offenses, it's not criticism that is in any way constructive. There are a lot of normal people, heck almost all republicans who don't agree with Obama- but they have good reasons for it and they are willing to defend their reasoning and that is perfectly fine.

Who said that disagreeing with Obama is based on racism? This is being manufactured to put a spin on it that isn't appropriate IMO. It's the degree to which he is being personally attacked by prominent Republicans and the utter rudeness expressed by Joe Wilson that I see as indicative of racism. I am curious if you believe that Wilson and his cronies would have behaved the same way toward a white Democratic president? If Wilson had yelled "I disagree" it would have been rude, but not insulting.

GoldenKitty that is abominable, it really is, but that's what you get with a Democracy. Everyone gets to vote and they don't have to have reasons that we all agree with. If it's any consolation I'm sure there are people who voted against him because of his skin color and not because of his platform.

I don't think you should have been made to feel bad for not supporting a particular candidate. Obviously, you're not an Obama fan, and that of course is your right. I don't understand what's wrong with wearing the t-shirt or using the screensaver in the scenario above, though? I don't think it was wrong for your black co-workers to be excited about the election.

I honestly don't get the "they just voted for him because he's black" thing, anyway. For one thing, as other posters have pointed out, that's democracy, but for another, why is it wrong for a black voter to think that a black candidate might better represent his or her interests? Don't people often vote for the candidate they think is most like themselves? I guess you can argue that it's not the most analytical approach, but it's certainly a common (and understandable) one.

Are you serious? You can't be.
Harry Reid called Bush a liar, in front of the Senate if I remember correctly, let me see if I can find you a video for your perusal. No video
http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/reid_060105.htm
http://amusinghistorymusings.blogspo...bush-liar.html
His exact words here:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennt...y_comment.html

Here is a nice video of Nancy Pelosi calling President Bush names.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8shZ3Waqpg

Rightly or wrongly, identity politics play a huge role in U.S. elections. Some people say they'll vote for the candidate whose religious views best reflect their own. Working- and middle-class voters sometimes vote for candidates from similar backgrounds, because they fear someone born into wealth won't represent their interests. Yet neither class nor religion is indicative of a person's ability to grasp complex economic issues or conduct affairs of state.

As for Joe Wilson, I personally think it would be better for the country to let it go and move on. He was rude and disrespectful, but he apologized. His past might lead someone to question his views on race, but I don't think his outburst was "racist" in and of itself. I also think he's gotten too much publicity already! Let the people of SC decide his political fate.