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Should Joe Wilson apologize again?

post #1 of 16
9/13/09 at 7:14am
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Joe Wilson yelled "you lie" during Obama's speech. This was in response to Obama saying that illegal aliens would not be covered under his proposed health care reform bill. Wilson said "you lie" because the bill Obama was touting did not have a provision to check for citizenship.

Wilson has personally apologized to Obama, and received an acceptance from Obama. Wilson apologized for his lack of control in his outburst, but not because the "you lie" was untrue. Wilson has clarified that it was a gut reaction at the moment, because Wilson had read the bill and knew there was no way of enforcing the "no undocumented aliens" part of the bill. He didn't really think Obama intentionally lied, only that he didn't know the specifics of the bill enough to know there was no provision for enforcement of the "no undocumented aliens" part.

So now Pelosi & Co. wants Wilson to apologize again in the House chambers, or face censorship by Pelosi & Co. Wilson has said he has apologized directly to Obama, apology accepted, and he will not apologize again.

Wilson has gained a lot of support and contributions since the speech. So should he formally apologize again, or should he take his lumps before Congress?
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post #2 of 16
9/13/09 at 8:20am
Joe Wilson has apologized to Obama, who has accepted the apology.

Enough already.
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post #3 of 16
9/13/09 at 9:13am
that night was from the mouth of Joe Wilson. He said he was sorry, Obama accepted. So what do we have to do now, when we say something to someone, we have to apologize to everyone present. I don't think so! It was nice to see the botox drain from Pelosi's face though
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post #4 of 16
9/13/09 at 9:17am
If every legislator had to make an apology from the well of the House when he spoke out in disagreement, they wouldn't get anything else done.

It was unfortunate for Wilson that he had his outburst a second before the applause had started for the line just spoken.
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post #5 of 16
9/13/09 at 9:35am
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Wilson has made it clear that he apologized, apology accepted, he won't apologize again. He also was clear that his outburst was in response to Obama's apparent misunderstanding of the bill he was speaking of, and not that he thought Obama was deliberately trying to fool the people.

So what is a "lie?" (1) Is it a lie when someone speaks what they believe is a truthful statement, even when it isn't the truth? Or (2) is it only a lie when someone speaks a deliberate mistruth to try to fool everyone into believing it is the truth? And did Obama speak (1) or (2)?

Interestingly Wilson has received over $1M in contributions since that fateful outburst!
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post #6 of 16
9/13/09 at 10:07am
I think his oppononent has also suddenly gotten a lot of donations, well over $500,000 the last I heard.
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post #7 of 16
9/13/09 at 12:39pm
If I'm Joe Wilson, I don't really give a hoot about what Pelosi wants. He shouldn't apologize again.
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post #8 of 16
9/13/09 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Joe Wilson yelled "you lie" during Obama's speech. This was in response to Obama saying that illegal aliens would not be covered under his proposed health care reform bill. Wilson said "you lie" because the bill Obama was touting did not have a provision to check for citizenship.

Wilson has personally apologized to Obama, and received an acceptance from Obama. Wilson apologized for his lack of control in his outburst, but not because the "you lie" was untrue. Wilson has clarified that it was a gut reaction at the moment, because Wilson had read the bill and knew there was no way of enforcing the "no undocumented aliens" part of the bill. He didn't really think Obama intentionally lied, only that he didn't know the specifics of the bill enough to know there was no provision for enforcement of the "no undocumented aliens" part.

So now Pelosi & Co. wants Wilson to apologize again in the House chambers, or face censorship by Pelosi & Co. Wilson has said he has apologized directly to Obama, apology accepted, and he will not apologize again.

Wilson has gained a lot of support and contributions since the speech. So should he formally apologize again, or should he take his lumps before Congress?
Joe Wilson should get up in the House Chambers and apologize AGAIN, IF and only IF, Harry Reid gets up FIRST and apologizes to the military for saying the War in Iraq is "Lost"
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post #9 of 16
9/13/09 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post
that night was from the mouth of Joe Wilson. He said he was sorry, Obama accepted. So what do we have to do now, when we say something to someone, we have to apologize to everyone present. I don't think so! It was nice to see the botox drain from Pelosi's face though


Oh, that is was, that it was, it made my day.

And, from the Youtube video's I have seen they all cut off before showing the full extent of the "botox drain"
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post #10 of 16
9/13/09 at 4:54pm
No he shouldn't, and it should never have been given the press that it's been given (pro and con). Everyone has a right to an opinion, even if it was not the most appropriate way to voice it.
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post #11 of 16
9/14/09 at 2:35am
I don't see why he's adamantly opposed to apologizing once more.

Also, I'm not sure what the protocol is regarding congressmen voicing their opinions during a presidential address... but Wilson came across as a rude, belligerent oaf by yelling during the president's speech.

If he hadn't yelled in the first place, the focus would now be on issues that actually merit attention rather than the childish manner in which he expressed dissent. Way to give people an excuse to focus their attention elsewhere.
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post #12 of 16
9/14/09 at 2:39am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Oh, that is was, that it was, it made my day.

And, from the Youtube video's I have seen they all cut off before showing the full extent of the "botox drain"
Wasn't there a complaint in another thread regarding comments about female politicians' appearance?
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post #13 of 16
9/14/09 at 4:43am
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
I don't see why he's adamantly opposed to apologizing once more.

Also, I'm not sure what the protocol is regarding congressmen voicing their opinions during a presidential address... but Wilson came across as a rude, belligerent oaf by yelling during the president's speech.

If he hadn't yelled in the first place, the focus would now be on issues that actually merit attention rather than the childish manner in which he expressed dissent. Way to give people an excuse to focus their attention elsewhere.
Because he already apologized. That's good enough for me. For more enlightment, I highly recommend Ann Coulter's book Guilty.
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post #14 of 16
9/14/09 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by KTLynn View Post
Joe Wilson has apologized to Obama, who has accepted the apology.

Enough already.

At the same time it would be better I think if everyone were to adopt a more respectful and serious tone. We elect these people to go and do a job, not act like spoiled children.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...thing_new.html
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post #15 of 16
9/14/09 at 11:05am
apologizing again ? hmmmm

could there be a double standard here?

didn't the dems boo Bush when he was speaking to the congress ? where's the civility in that?

I read Wilson's apology somewhere, wish I could find it, ANYway - I thought it was a timely, sincere, and a well worded apology

maybe after 300 years, we're reverting to the Brit's way of doing things - another example of proper decorum perhaps?
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post #16 of 16
9/14/09 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
Wasn't there a complaint in another thread regarding comments about female politicians' appearance?
It wasn't her appearance, it was the look on her face. Big difference.
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