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post #31 of 55
9/15/09 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
This thread is not about politicians, it is about ACORN, the corrupt organization that BOTH parties have been giving millions of dollars to. Both parties are corrupt, one just as bad as the other. There has been no "change" at all in that regard. ACORN is eligible to receive 8.5 BILLION in Stimulus money, since they will not allow anyone to audit their books, no one really knows, for sure, how much they have receive but I can tell you this, they are a corrupt organization. Indictments in 14 states for voter registration fraud.

Fox reported it, they didn't make the tapes, maybe reading this thread and checking out the links would be a good place to start.

If it is not true, I wonder why ACORN fired the employees at BOTH of the differenct offices this happened at.

I also have to wonder why the United States Census Bureau has severed all ties with ACORN and ACORN will not be helping with the Census next year.

I would be interested in any Republican voter fraud links you want to post.

Maybe there are people that think it is fine and dandy for Acorn to give prostitutes and pimps advice on how to avoid paying their taxes, obtain a housing loan to buy a house to run their brothel out of and, most importantly, how to illegally import young teenage girls from El Salvador to be prostitutes. (All on the tapes)
Now if that is what you want YOUR stimulus money going for that is up to you but that is not the kind of stimulus I want.



What, "personal ideology" would that be?

Boy, took that personally or what? Was just some random thoughts from a tired person, but oh well.

I have NO idea if ACRON is as corrupt as you say because I've heard reports from the right saying it is and the left saying it isn't. My opinion of ACORN is that, like everything, there are good and bad people associated with it. Have you seen the tapes with those disgusting contractors in Afganistan? That was plenty bad, but it was only a small portion of the contractors and all contractors shouldn't be painted with the same brush.

As for Fox news, I really don't trust anything that comes from them because I've seen how often they lie and distort the truth. Maybe the news is separate from Glenn Beck and that bunch, but they've turned me off enough that I skip right by that channel.

We all have a personal ideolgy, don't we? Truly meant nothing offensive by that statement at all. I'm not associated with either party and just believe what I belive. That's my personal ideology.

If I find some time, I will provide you with Republican voter fraud links. Does it really matter? Neither party is exempt from doing "whatever it takes" to be elected.
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post #32 of 55
9/15/09 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post

As for Fox news, I really don't trust anything that comes from them because I've seen how often they lie and distort the truth. Maybe the news is separate from Glenn Beck and that bunch, but they've turned me off enough that I skip right by that channel.
I watch Fox a lot, but not exclusivly. I also watch CNN. Since I usually watch both on a daily basis, I'm curious. Can you provide examples of lies and distortions from the news? Beck is extreme and emotional and Hannity is extreme, but those are OPINION programs - quite different from THE NEWS. You may not see these tapes on other networks, because it doesn't suit their agenda. But please keep in mind, FOX DID NOT MAKE OR SOLICIT THOSE TAPES! So please don't blame Fox or accuse them of doctoring them if you haven't seen them on the news channel you watch!
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post #33 of 55
9/15/09 at 2:54pm
Statement from ACORN bigwig

Issued either 9/12 or 9/13, but it's recent either way. I apologize if someone has already posted this

http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/12/...ief-organizer/
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post #34 of 55
9/15/09 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
Boy, took that personally or what? Was just some random thoughts from a tired person, but oh well.
Sometimes it is good to read the thread, look at the links and VIEW the VIDEO tapes of the ACORN personnel before dismissing it out of hand.

I have NO idea if ACRON is as corrupt as you say because I've heard reports from the right saying it is and the left saying it isn't. My opinion of ACORN is that, like everything, there are good and bad people associated with it. Have you seen the tapes with those disgusting contractors in Afganistan? That was plenty bad, but it was only a small portion of the contractors and all contractors shouldn't be painted with the same brush.

Halliburton was.

As for Fox news, I really don't trust anything that comes from them because I've seen how often they lie and distort the truth. Maybe the news is separate from Glenn Beck and that bunch, but they've turned me off enough that I skip right by that channel.

I will repeat myself again, this did NOT come from Fox.
Fox is just the only major news media reporting it. Would you trust your own eyes if you viewed the tapes?

We all have a personal ideolgy, don't we? Truly meant nothing offensive by that statement at all. I'm not associated with either party and just believe what I belive. That's my personal ideology.

If I find some time, I will provide you with Republican voter fraud links. Does it really matter? Neither party is exempt from doing "whatever it takes" to be elected.
I will be waitng for the Republican voter fraud links.
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post #35 of 55
9/15/09 at 6:02pm
Thread Starter 
I read the 4th tape came out today.

The Senate voted yesterday to stop giving ACORN HUD money, but as of yet, no investigation.
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post #36 of 55
9/15/09 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I read the 4th tape came out today.

The Senate voted yesterday to stop giving ACORN HUD money, but as of yet, no investigation.
THERE ARE MORE TAPES COMING!

All but 7 who were 6 Dems and 1 Independent. I guess counting Byrd & Kennedy's vacant seat, there must have been 4 other absenses. This tape was filmed in California, I think.

For those of you that won't watch Fox, you should go to YouTube, because the networks, NBC, CBS and ABC aren't going to show them. They are afraid because of Obama's connection to ACORN and the networks are in the Obama breast pocket.

There is no connection between Fox and the filmmakers, other than Fox is airing what other network channels won't or are too afraid to.
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post #37 of 55
9/15/09 at 6:56pm
The part of all four tapes I found the most offensive was about bringing girls as young as 13 from El Salvador to work as prostitutes. Groups like ACORN are supposed to be the voice for the people who have no voice. They were telling this couple how to exploit the most powerless without getting caught and even use them as dependents on their taxes.
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post #38 of 55
9/15/09 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by Denice View Post
The part of all four tapes I found the most offensive was about bringing girls as young as 13 from El Salvador to work as prostitutes. Groups like ACORN are supposed to be the voice for the people who have no voice. They were telling this couple how to exploit the most powerless without getting caught and even use them as dependents on their taxes.
Exactly! I guess white slavery or hispanic slavery of children is OK in the here and now. It's just historic slavery of blacks who sold other blacks into slavery to white plantation owners that is horrific if you are an ACORN worker.
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post #39 of 55
9/15/09 at 7:26pm
Thread Starter 
I think the 4th tape is from the ACORN office in Bakersfield, California.
I HOPE there is one from Las Vegas, OH, how I hope.

This 4th one the ACORN lady said she had turned a trick herself, so she had a lot to talk about.

Yes, I agree, it is just horrific that ACORN workers were telling them how to get young, teenage girls here illegally to be prostitutes.

I wonder if the Daily Mail in the UK has covered it? I will have to check that out.
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post #40 of 55
9/15/09 at 9:20pm
One tape, OK it could be an overzealous employee. Two tapes? Well, that's pushing it, especially since they gave very similar responses. Three, four, five, six tapes??? OK, sorry but that sounds like it's the company's policy.

I agree with Denice - cheating the mortgage and taxes is bad and criminal, but I can see where that's somehow giving the poor and downtrodden a leg up in this mean and unfair world (according to them). But to advise ways to allow the sexual exploitation of children? That's not just bad and criminal but morally reprehensible. And for all of these people to just go along with it let alone give advice on how to get away with it shows the true lack of moral fiber these people have - from the top to the bottom - in that organization.
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post #41 of 55
9/15/09 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post

I agree with Denice - cheating the mortgage and taxes is bad and criminal, but I can see where that's somehow giving the poor and downtrodden a leg up in this mean and unfair world (according to them). But to advise ways to allow the sexual exploitation of children? That's not just bad and criminal but morally reprehensible.
Reprehensible indeed. One thing I never understood about these type of organizations (NFP's, etc.) is -

If they solve their mission,
then they no longer need to exist,
so they really dont mind if the problems never go away,
and because of that,
they never go away,
or is that a wacky thought or too simplistic on my part or both?
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post #42 of 55
9/16/09 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by c1atsite View Post
Reprehensible indeed. One thing I never understood about these type of organizations (NFP's, etc.) is -

If they solve their mission,
then they no longer need to exist,
so they really dont mind if the problems never go away,
and because of that,
they never go away,
or is that a wacky thought or too simplistic on my part or both?
You make a good point. It's similar to raising taxes on cigarettes. If it works and everyone quits smoking, the tax revenue goes away. Then what?

I'm wondering how many more tapes there are.

Here's an interesting statistic on news channels and how many stories they've run on ACORN over the past year or so

Fox News - 322
CNN - 90
MSNBC - 10
NBC - 2
ABC - 2
CBS - 1

And that's why some of you who only watch major network news haven't heard about all the ACORN scandals and issues!
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post #43 of 55
9/16/09 at 7:38am
Thread Starter 
4th Tape

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550562,00.html

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Fourth Videotape Reveals ACORN Advising 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in California

A fourth video by an independent filmmaker posing as a pimp along with a purported prostitute has surfaced depicting an ACORN staffer in California assisting the couple in their quest to obtain housing for their illegal sex business.
The below link is the official site set up by Andrew Breitbart to expose ACORN corruption.

http://biggovernment.com/

P.S. Andrew Breitbart is not affiliated with Fox News.
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post #44 of 55
9/16/09 at 3:07pm
Thread Starter 
ACORN is scrambling, scrambling hard to fend off a recommendation by Congress for an investigation into ACORN.
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post #45 of 55
9/16/09 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
ACORN is scrambling, scrambling hard to fend off a recommendation by Congress for an investigation into ACORN.
Seems to me that they're now going ahead with an investigation, essentially closing their doors to new clients for now: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550941,00.html
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post #46 of 55
9/16/09 at 7:49pm
Thread Starter 
Yeah, their own, internal investigation.
Wonder what that will turn up?
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post #47 of 55
9/18/09 at 4:48am
Just as a reality check, if we defund organizations which have members who support prostitution with government funds, how safe is the Senate, House, and any number of other politicians?
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post #48 of 55
9/18/09 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Here's an interesting statistic on news channels and how many stories they've run on ACORN over the past year or so

Fox News - 322
CNN - 90
MSNBC - 10
NBC - 2
ABC - 2
CBS - 1

And that's why some of you who only watch major network news haven't heard about all the ACORN scandals and issues!
Here's an interesting insight on that subject:
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What we’re seeing is the latest iteration of that populist tendency and the militant progressive reaction to it. We now have a populist news media that exaggerates the importance of the Van Jones and Acorn stories to prove the elites are decadent and un-American, and we have a progressive news media that exaggerates stories like the Joe Wilson shout and the opposition to the Obama schools speech to show that small-town folks are dumb wackos.

Congress is taking action against ACORN:
House Prohibits Federal Money to Acorn


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The House voted Thursday to deny any federal money to the nationwide community organizing group Acorn, and the Senate reaffirmed its opposition as well after embarrassing videos of a few of the group’s workers became public.
House Republicans added the prohibition on federal money to the Democratic bill on college lending. It was approved by a bipartisan vote of 345 to 75, showing that Democrats also increasingly see a political liability in Acorn, which is short for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
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post #49 of 55
9/18/09 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Just as a reality check, if we defund organizations which have members who support prostitution with government funds, how safe is the Senate, House, and any number of other politicians?
Maybe they're OK if they are in Rhode Island or Nevada?
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post #50 of 55
9/18/09 at 10:26am
Thread Starter 
San Diego, California Acorn Office
This is the 5th Tape Now we have ACORN employees wanting to get the pimp his young girls for him from Tijuana.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,551403,00.html

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JAMES O'KEEFE, POSED AS PIMP IN ACORN VIDEO: Logistically, I mean, is it better if it's Tijuana? Is it better if it's somewhere inland? Where is the best place? I'm not quite — like all these answers he wants right away.

UNIDENTIFIED ACORN STAFFER: It's better from Tijuana.

O'KEEFE: Tijuana?

UNIDENTIFIED ACORN STAFFER: Yes.

O'KEEFE: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED ACORN STAFFER: Because I have a lot of contact in Tijuana.

O'KEEFE: OK. And they might be able to assist crossing the border?

UNIDENTIFIED ACORN STAFFER: Yes.
Much, much more at the link.
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post #51 of 55
9/18/09 at 10:48am
Wasn't the Senate Judiciary Committee all set to investigate ACORN months ago when it was suddenly called off by "higher ups" (whatever that means)?
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post #52 of 55
9/19/09 at 8:08pm
Thread Starter 
It's NOT over yet folks, get ready, more is coming. Andrew Breitbart who is the person that was responsible for airing the ACORN video's says, " Prepare for a “blockbuster†“from left field†next week

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...eld-next-week/
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post #53 of 55
9/20/09 at 5:58am
The only salvation I see for ACORN (at least the part that's been working on low-income home loans) is to prove they actually turned these people away. ACORN claims they were turned away at many locations, and the police were even called in Philadelphia, but the videographer says they were never turned away anywhere and the Philly claim is incorrect.

This is a classic case of "live by the sword, die by the sword." ACORN made no secret of their partisan relationship with Democrats, so they shouldn't be surprised when conservatives target them for exposure. Michael Moore did the same thing with GM and health insurance companies.

Somehow, I suspect that Democrats will not see Breitbart will not be hailed as a hero by those who thought Moore was, and vice versa.
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post #54 of 55
9/20/09 at 3:19pm
I used to be a social worker ( I guess technically I still am, since I have a BSW) and I have worked with ACORN in the past.. and they did an incredible amount of good. It seems like a total lack of oversight has allowed such horrible things to happen. It just amazes me. I don't even understand how it gets to this point- but I suppose little to no oversight, few checks and balances, and a complete lack of training and common sense have plagued some of the ACORN centers.
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post #55 of 55
9/20/09 at 8:01pm
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http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/compulso...acorn-09172009

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NEA and SEIU Diverted Forced Union Dues to Corrupt ACORN Offices
Thu, 09/17/2009 - 15:00 — Patrick Semmens
Most Freedom@Work readers are already aware of a growing scandal involving the pro-forced unionism Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN) in New York, Baltimore, Washington, and now, California. For those who missed it, ACORN representatives were caught on camera giving advice to undercover journalists on how to open an illegal brothel, launder its profits, and commit a host of other illegal activities.

According to The Washington Examiner, teacher union officials have contributed over 1.3 million dollars (in mostly forced union dues) to ACORN since 2005.

We decided to do a little digging into union financial disclosure forms on the Department of Labor's website. After examining union financial records, it turns out that officials of several high-profile unions diverted large sums of mostly forced union dues dollars to the same ACORN offices in Washington and New York that are implicated in the hidden camera scandal.
In case anyone doesn't know who SEIU is, they are the Union that is affiliated with ACORN. The SEIU attended many August Town Hall Meetings and kept people out who did not agree with Obama's health care bill.
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