Minister tells congregation to pray for President's death

We need to rid the world of religious nuts! They give good religious folks are real bad name.

I don't agree with lots of stuff about Obama, but I can't help but think that pastor is going straight to hell for trying to use God to cause harm. Leviticus 24:10-23 would seem to apply, in which case, the strictly Biblical solution would be to stone the preacher.

Isn't that the truth!

IMO, be afraid, be VERY afraid of non-denominational churches, or splinter churches that have broken away from their denominational roots.

My reasons are three-fold.

1. They don't subscribe to a main-stream denomination, whose beliefs and values are widely accepted throughout the world, and

2. Because of that, they can preach anything and believe anything they want without oversight, and

3. They keep all the money they collect, which often fosters greed and mega-rich pastors who live very large in contrast to the flock they serve.

Even though I distrust Obama and his administration, I certainly wish no harm to him or his family. I just hope that enough people wake up to his agenda that he is not re-elected in 2012.

What a horrible thing to say!

For sure! Please note that on his website this "pastor" states proudly that he is seperated fom the Baptist Conferance. I'm not an Obama fan either, but see no reason to pray for his death in any form, particularly not lingering. I just pray the next election gives us better choices than the last one did.

In all fairness, there are also non-denominational churches that use that intellectual freedom to promote...well...thinking; for example, two of my friends grew up in a non-denominational church where the pastor also examined and talked about some of the Gnostic gospels--not assuming that they were equal to scripture, but looking to see whether things about them make sense with the rest of canon. Those churches just don't usually get as huge, or as much attention, as the preaching-to-felt-needs churches (sermons on all the many ways Jesus wants to give you "your best life now") and the prosperity gospel nuts.

There's so much hate in the world. I don't understand how anyone could honestly want to promote more.


It might sound crazy. But I think if groups like this are promoting such "causes" or actually harming others that it should automatically make them lose their tax exception among other things.

It makes me feel sick to my stomach.

Wishing harm on somebody is very bad karma!

This pastor is not a true Christian nor a true pastor. But he really gives the legit ones a very bad name. As much as I don't like Obama and his policies I would NEVER ever pray for him to die. God will take care of him. We just have to pray that God will soften his heart and show him the truth.

Up to Obama to want to listen to God and to turn from his ways.


Not all non-demoninational churches are bad. Our church is evangelical free and we are a Bible-teaching church. We do not have a "head" church like Lutheran, Baptist, etc. Look at the recent rullings some of the mainstream churches have done - they are now in the "false churches" because they are no longer teaching what the Bible says - they are teaching what the people want to hear and THAT is the dangerous churches.

I would speculate in this case, he's not following God, but the being on the other end of the spectrum.

I don't get these statements. How are his intentions any different than what Bush offered? The methods that the 2 choose are very different, but why would one need the hand of god to guide him when the other is OK? Or is it that any president needs god's intervention?

Not to derail the thread, but I really don't get it.

I disagree with this blanket statement. It's true that on some issues, by their own standards of the basis of their religion, the leadership of many denominations seems to have run off the rails. However, what I've seen and heard is that there's a split within most demonimations (I would say all but I don't know about all of them) between the belief that specific beliefs matter to an individual's religious identity, and a belief in, for lack of a better characterization that I can come up with, "can't we all just get along?" This kind of belief has also been referred to as "deeds not creeds," meaning that specific doctrine isn't relevant. The two categories that each denomination can be roughly split into also form general clusters within the non-denominational catchall category.

I've heard of one large church that can be easily characterized as "deeds not creeds" because over half of its members in a survey (I don't have it in front of me; I'll Google and add a link later if anyone really cares) didn't believe in salvation coming through Jesus Christ. Now, whether that's your belief or not, you can still see how it would be nutty for a nominally Christian church to not teach that!

Note that I'm not saying that traditional beliefs are automatically right. In fact, many beliefs that are looked on as traditional have no real basis in the scriptures that are cited as the foundation for the beliefs. As one example, the church in the original article is, according to the church website, part of the "KJV-only" movement. There is, obviously, no "thou shalt not use any translation other than the KJV" commandment, even in the KJV, undoubtedly at least is part because it didn't exist yet at the time. I don't deny that the KJV was probably the best fish in the scriptural pond at the time it was translated, on account of the fact that the main alternative was in Latin, which required translation for most people, and one of the main beliefs of the Reformation was that nothing else should come between the Christian and his (today we would add "or her") scriptures. However, 400 years later, the language of the early 1600s requires translation itself--many words have fallen out of common use, so that people no longer understand them, and many words' meanings have shifted, so that people only think they understand them and may in fact actually take in errors unless someone else explains it to them. This doesn't satisfy the original purpose of allowing independent study and understanding; it's a little better than "Latin-only," which was what some wanted at the time the KJV itself was translated, but falls short. It seems more accurate to go back as close to the original as possible, rather than re-translate the translation.

Yes, my ramble alarm went off a while ago.

Come on SKippy, don't give him that much credit. It was one dude with a firearm and the dude wasn't even at a "Presidential function", wasn't he blocks away? He was carrying in plain sight, one firearm.

You are insinuating that hordes of arms freaks are the ones at the Town Halls.

The people attending Town Halls are people that are concerned for their government and they are exercising their right to question and dissent. Good grief, Town Halls go on every August.

People make such a simple, beautiful message so complicated.

Jesus is the Son of God, accept that, believe that and try hard to follow his examples and you will have eternal life.

I used your link to that guy's website you posted Skippy and got on it and sent him an email. It wouldn't go through, his mail box is full. Gee, what a surprise. I just wanted to remind him, as we all need to be reminded of what Jesus said the two greatest Commandments are.

You do not get to heaven on deeds. And to teach that is false teaching. The traditional churches that are leading people away from the truth by changing the doctrine on what is allowed, are the false churches/teachers. The ones that stick to God's word are ok. That's what I was referring to as far as false and true churches.

Obama is leading the US down the wrong paths - that is why we need to pray for him. Leaders who start the day with God's guidance have a better understanding in what should be done.

Well said! I certainly agree with you.

What about Jewish people? They don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. Are they doomed to hell?

I think it's admirable that you believe in your own version of religion so strongly but I think it is very high-handed to put down other religions as being false religions. If I were a religious person who belonged to one of those "false faiths", I would be highly insulted by this post. Fortunately, I look at religion in a whole different light and just find it "interesting".

It isn't up to me to say who goes where.
Jesus said, "The Only Way to the Father is through Me".
I am just repeating Jesus' words, that is all I can do.

And if you just happened to be born of Jewish parents and were raised Jewish you would not believe in Jesus - just saying.

I just think it is very smug and patronizing to assume the religion we personally believe in is the only one that is true or worth anything. Just my opinion.

And why would you say that he doesn't have God's guidance? Because he doesn't share the same belief as you do?

There are billions of people in the world who don't believe Jesus was anything more than a man. Guess they're all going to hell even if they live good, moral lives

I don't have as much of a problem with that as I do the millions of people over the last 2,000 years that never had the opportunity to learn about Jesus because before mass transportation and communication, Christianity never had the opportunity to reach them. I suppose they all went to hell too?

I just can't accept that there is only one true church or religious belief.

, please!

Are you sure about that? There are many, many Jewish people that know that Jesus is the Son of God. We have Jewish people that are members of my church.

You mean that black dude? I thought he only had one legal firearm he was carrying.

You have Jewish people as members of a Christian church? I would have to assume they no longer follow the Jewish faith if they are a member of a Christian church so therefore would no longer be considered Jewish.

As for getting back to the subject, perhaps that Minister needs a visit from the CIA or some such thing.

Once you are Jewish, you are always Jewish, no matter what you believe in the area of religion.

But I think this minister may need a visit from the Secret Service.

However, it's not a lot of difference from what some said about Tony Snow when he was dying of cancer, or what Julianne Malveaux said about Clarence Thomas.