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post #1 of 16
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

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Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.
Doesn't sound good to me.
post #2 of 16
This is scarry and exactly the stuff I was trying to warn against - but no one would listen. Obama will take America down in the next few years!
post #3 of 16
the shouldn´t make it!...
post #4 of 16
I think I'll withhold judgment until I do more research on this one. And by the way, it's a bi-partisan bill.

From the same article linked above:

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Update at 3:14 p.m. PDT: I just talked to Jena Longo, deputy communications director for the Senate Commerce committee, on the phone. She sent me e-mail with this statement:

The president of the United States has always had the constitutional authority, and duty, to protect the American people and direct the national response to any emergency that threatens the security and safety of the United States. The Rockefeller-Snowe Cybersecurity bill makes it clear that the president's authority includes securing our national cyber infrastructure from attack. The section of the bill that addresses this issue, applies specifically to the national response to a severe attack or natural disaster. This particular legislative language is based on longstanding statutory authorities for wartime use of communications networks. To be very clear, the Rockefeller-Snowe bill will not empower a "government shutdown or takeover of the Internet" and any suggestion otherwise is misleading and false. The purpose of this language is to clarify how the president directs the public-private response to a crisis, secure our economy and safeguard our financial networks, protect the American people, their privacy and civil liberties, and coordinate the government's response.
post #5 of 16
No, I am NOT ok with this. NO more power to our stupid government.
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To be very clear, the Rockefeller-Snowe bill will not empower a "government shutdown or takeover of the Internet" and any suggestion otherwise is misleading and false.
Oh sure, tell us another lie
post #6 of 16
I agree with John, they have too much power already! It hasn't seemed to matter in decades which party is in power or who the president is, the end result for all but the richest and the poorest is just more of the same. Wasn't it Jefferson who said that a government that is big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have?
post #7 of 16
I work for a telecommunications provider. There have been laws to protect the U.S. networks for many years now. I facilitated a security agreement between a European based company that wanted to break into network monitoring in the U.S. Before we could even talk to them, they had to sign an agreement with the federal government. The agreement was entirely around protection of the U.S. communication networks. This was 2 years ago.

I also sat in a telecommunications conference one time and made the mistake of correcting the speaker when they misrepresented the security of phone lines that were transferred between carriers through local number portability (speaker said they were secure, I explained why his approach was not). At lunch, I was surrounded by the CIA, FBI, DEA and local law enforcement agencies, who hounded me for the next 2 years (this was 12 years ago).

The government has been involved in the network for many, many years now. Don't get excited when they want to protect it further. Think of all the international connections between countries these days. Then think of all the hackers out there. Then think of financial implications to nearly every firm in the U.S. if the networks failed through malicious means. I'm personally all for securing our networks.

But I know, the sky is falling now that Obama is in office.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
But I know, the sky is falling now that Obama is in office.
No, no. The sky was falling when Bush wanted to be able to access what books you checked out at the library (something you had 100% control over). That was limiting freedom and ending America as we knew it, remember?

This could be allowing the government to take control of internet and computer networks. I should read the bill, since it's "only" 55 pages, if I can find it. The devil could be in the details - does it specify what networks and computers they can take over? Or if they decide that the Right Wing Conspiracy is a big enough threat, can they take over the "network" of computers at their disposal, including and especially those of private citizens?

For the record, Olympia Snowe is definitely a left leaning Republican and considering the bill was crafted in March when it was still supposed to be all peace and bipartisanship (HA!), I don't consider this to be much of a real bipartisan bill. She may have been trying to gain some goodwill on behalf of "her party" but obviously that didn't fly far.

For this bill as well as the rest that this Congress and President have passed, I'm looking at what they DO not what they SAY. Obama also SAID that he wasn't interested in running the car companies. He's doing it now. They SAID the stimulus bill wasn't a special interest bill, but was meant to prop up the economy, and if it wasn't passed right now (February) unemployment could get as high as 8%. We're still sitting at between 9.5 & 16% (depending on how it's figured) unemployment, as while the economic slowing may be slowing...there's no indication that the 10% (being generous) of the $700 billion spent so far has done anything substantial to get the economy back on track. Obama SAID he wasn't going to prosecute for the interrogations of the last 8 years...now there's a special prosecutor looking at it. There is a big discrepancy between words and actions here.
post #9 of 16
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The devil could be in the details - does it specify what networks and computers they can take over? Or if they decide that the Right Wing Conspiracy is a big enough threat, can they take over the "network" of computers at their disposal, including and especially those of private citizens?
Very good point. What if I started an interent site devoted at telling the truth about Obama's lies. Could the goverment decide this is a threat to the Obama administration and close the site down? The private sector can take care of themselevs and protect their own computer networks from hackers. This is NOT the goverments job. Quit giving the goverment more control, it's time to stand on our own feet, do things for ourselves and tell the goverment to get the heck out. Again, to quote a phrase from a song by a goth/industrial band called Icon of coil. Song title, Assimilate. "You're incapable to think or breath for yourselves, we pull the strings, cut off your wings. We're in charge of all the peace and of all the noise, you will think there is a God, you are only toys". This may sound silly, but this is exactly what is and will continue to happen, if we give this government more control of our lives. Don't get me wrong, I understand there has to be some laws, but the goverment must not be allowed to control every thing we do. Remember, land of the free??
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
The private sector can take care of themselevs and protect their own computer networks from hackers.
Considering the governments track record thus far I suspect that private industry can do a much better job with less red tape for a fraction of the cost.
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
I have heard that, also, Heidi, that Olympia Snowe is a total RINO, so her coauthoring this bill, along with another Democrat, means nothing to me. But it is a way to say it is a "bipartisan" bill, which it really isn't.

Have to see where this one goes.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
Very good point. What if I started an interent site devoted at telling the truth about Obama's lies. Could the goverment decide this is a threat to the Obama administration and close the site down? The private sector can take care of themselevs and protect their own computer networks from hackers. This is NOT the goverments job. Quit giving the goverment more control, it's time to stand on our own feet, do things for ourselves and tell the goverment to get the heck out. Again, to quote a phrase from a song by a goth/industrial band called Icon of coil. Song title, Assimilate. "You're incapable to think or breath for yourselves, we pull the strings, cut off your wings. We're in charge of all the peace and of all the noise, you will think there is a God, you are only toys". This may sound silly, but this is exactly what is and will continue to happen, if we give this government more control of our lives. Don't get me wrong, I understand there has to be some laws, but the goverment must not be allowed to control every thing we do. Remember, land of the free??
Yep they are trying to control everything in our lives. This is very bad! The government is chipping away at everything this country was founded on. If the people don't take a stand we will lose every freedom we ever had. These politicians took an oath to protect our constitution and they have done nothing but try to take control by making more laws to break down every right we have. Our founding fathers of the constitution would be turning over in their graves right now. I believe we have a run away government, which they would refer to as a tyranny.
post #13 of 16
You wanted change - you'll get your change, but not in the way you thought you would.

I just have to keep reminding myself I'm living on this earth, but I don't have to be a part of this earth any more.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by bookworm View Post
Considering the governments track record thus far I suspect that private industry can do a much better job with less red tape for a fraction of the cost.
I agree!!
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Yep they are trying to control everything in our lives. This is very bad! The government is chipping away at everything this country was founded on. If the people don't take a stand we will lose every freedom we ever had. These politicians took an oath to protect our constitution and they have done nothing but try to take control by making more laws to break down every right we have. Our founding fathers of the constitution would be turning over in their graves right now. I believe we have a run away government, which they would refer to as a tyranny
The sad part is, the people let this happen.
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You wanted change - you'll get your change, but not in the way you thought you would.
Not me, I didn't vote for president Change
post #15 of 16
Neither did I
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Me either.

Some of the latest polls have Barack's approval ratings dipping in the lower 40's.

I just want him to listen to people. I just feel, oh forget it, it doesn't matter.
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