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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Furthermore - I posted you PLENTY of information on his feelings about his father - where are your links?
No, you posted much about the beating by his father, I already know about that and I also said I know he said he hated his father, as a child when his father beat him.

I am telling you I heard him say in an interview that as an adult he loves his father. I have no reason to lie about something like that.

Michael Jackson just did not have a hateful bone in his body.

If you want to believe he hated his father, that is your right, I am just saying it isn't true.
post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Funny - because I found and POSTED an article about it - but apparently your interpretation is not what is written in the article right? of course
I am talking about the video. Why the sarcasm carolinalima?
post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Sorry - but the only person who you could possibly say that is Jesus, if in fact he existed. But that is a whole other thread.
Not true, I don't hate anyone.
post #34 of 50
Thread Starter 
There is no point in discussing this with you.... it has been written on Wikipedia, played on TV, and the whole world seems to know.
You google about him hating his father, you get hundreds of posts - you google about him loving his father, you get ONE from his father LAWYER. There isn't a thousand posts that I can put in here that will convince you.... You on the other hand can't seem produce one.

EDITED: My apologies to Cindy - I was too strong, and out of line. But girl you know how to push my buttons LOL!
I am removing myself from this thread... You guys go on.... RIP Michael... I hope you get your peace soon...
post #35 of 50
Could it perhaps be a good time to just agree to disagree?
post #36 of 50
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Originally Posted by threecatowner View Post
Could it perhaps be a good time to just agree to disagree?
What a good idea! Could it perhaps also be a good time to get back to the topic? Please. Thanks.
post #37 of 50
I can't think of anything I'd rather NOT watch - a Jackson reality show. Barf. I'm sick to death of the entire family, and I have absolutely no interest in watching any of these idiots "grieving."

"Cake Boss" is sounding entertaining, by comparison.
post #38 of 50
I would watch it, I admit.
I wouldn't call grieving family members, "idiots" either. We all grieve in our own way.

There is so much trash written about Michael Jackson it is disgusting, I have never seen anything like it. Listen and watch the youtube video of Michael's song, Leave Me Alone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5KAJw4y8wE

Look at the tabloid headlines, sickening. It goes on and on.
post #39 of 50
The whole dang family is trying to turn a buck on the dead Michael, and it disgusts me. My characterization of them being idiots has nothing to do with their grieving. They were idiots long before Michael died, and they will continue to be idiots for years to come.
post #40 of 50
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I can't think of anything I'd rather NOT watch - a Jackson reality show. Barf. I'm sick to death of the entire family, and I have absolutely no interest in watching any of these idiots "grieving."
For someone who is sick to death of the entire family, and who has no interest in watching them, this "Jackson family" thread is obviously interesting to you?.
post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
The whole dang family is trying to turn a buck on the dead Michael, and it disgusts me. My characterization of them being idiots has nothing to do with their grieving. They were idiots long before Michael died, and they will continue to be idiots for years to come.


Why were they "idiots long before Michael died"? I sure don't understand your posts.
post #42 of 50
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
How disgusting is this? I hope his mother keeps EVERY SINGLE DIME of his inheritance to his children.... Those brothers and sisters of his are a bunch of vultures along with their father - if he deserves that title at all.
The thing is though Carol, that's show business. Their like your or i in a lot of ways, but in show business it's a different ball game that we don't understand.

I'll be watching it though if they do go ahead with it just like i do with the other celeb reality shows
post #43 of 50
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Why were they "idiots long before Michael died"? I sure don't understand your posts.
Idiots, vultures, dysfunctional family units - take your pick. The whole family, Michael included, doesn't deserve all this attention. Too bad he abused himself to death. I'm glad his enablers may have to face legal and criminal charges, but ultimately he killed himself. And the rest of the family is prostituting themselves and Michael's memory but doing a reality program on their "grieving" and getting paid handsomely for it.

Since this is the IMO forum, that is just my opinion. But I don't watch any of those so-called "reality" programs that profile the pitiful lives of celebrities. I'd rather watch Animal Planet!
post #44 of 50
In the year 2000 Michael Jackson received the Guiness Book of World Records award for "Most charities ever supported" He supported 39 charities.

In his lifetime he gave 330 million dollars + to charity. In his death, 20% of his estate goes to children's charities

Every city in the world that he visited (and their were hundreds) the first thing he did when he arrived was to visit children's hospitals and orphanages to bring gifts, money for the hospitals and orphanages and love to the children.

His, "We are the World" song brough in close to 50 million dollars for starving children in Africa.

He paid medical bills for countless (hundreds) of sick children, terminally ill children, children with AIDS, children with cancer.

He brought thousands of children in to Neverland to spend time having fun in the Amusement Park, sick children, dying children, crippled and disabled children. Neverland was outfitted with all accomodation to enable sick and disabled children to enjoy Neverland.

From Philanthropy.com http://philanthropy.com/news/philant...s-philanthropy
Victory Tour~
Michael Jackson donated all of his proceeds ($5 million) from the tour to three charities, including the T.J. Martell Foundation for Leukemia and Cancer Research, The United Negro College Fund, and the Ronald McDonald Camp for Good Times

Dangerous Tour – All profits made from the tour were donated to various charities including the Heal the World Foundation, Jackson’s main reason for the tour.





Dusty's Mom, you say he doesn't "deserve the attention" and call him names.
Well if he doesn't, who does?

He sought help for not being able to sleep, big deal. So that wipes out everything listed above?

If Michael Jackson was such a bad person, what does that say about you and me? Because I, daresay, you and I will never walk the walk like Michael did.
post #45 of 50
also from my link above

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Oh yeah, one more thing…

Charitable Contributions
January 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles.
April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibroses is invited to Michael’s home. It was David’s last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later.
April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Senai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research.
July 5, 1984: During the Jackson’s press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation.
July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage.
December 13, 1984: Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children.
January 28, 1985: Michael and 44 other artists meet to record “We Are The World”, written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie. The proceeds of this record are donated to the starving people in Africa.
1986: Michael set up the “Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund”. This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university.
February 28, 1986: After having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California gets a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she is a big fan of his. Michael invites her to his home as soon as she is feeling better. This visit takes place on March 8th. Donna stays for dinner and watches a movie together with Michael.
September 13, 1987: Michael supports a campaign against racism. He supports efforts of the NAACP, to fight prejudices against black artists.
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Charity Awards
May 14, 1984: At a ceremony in the White House President Reagan presents Michael an award for special efforts; he is honored for his participation in a national ad campaign against drunk driving.
January 1989: The “Say Yes To A Youngsters Future” program honors Michael in recognition of his efforts to encourage children to natural sciences and award him with the “National Urban Coalition Artist/Humanitarian Of The Year Award”.
March 1989: At the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California, Michael receives the Black Radio Special Award for his humanitarian efforts.
September 22, 1989: The Capital Children’s Museum awards Michael with the Best Of Washington 1989 Humanitarian Award in recognition of his efforts to raise money for the museum, and for his never-ending support of children.
The link provides far more info.
Still wonder why he is getting all this attention? Still think he wasn't worth it?
post #46 of 50
I agree that Michael Jackson gave lots of money to charities and causes that benefited children. He also had a tremendous talent. I'll give him all that credit. But he was no saint.

He was an unrepentent, unapologetic drug addict who paid huge bucks to physicians and pharmacies to keep the monkey on his back. For decades he denied he had a problem and refused treatment. That is a rotten role model for a parent and a person who claimed to love children. And then there is the child molestation issue, which I'm not sure he was "innocent" even though a jury found him "not guilty," however moot that point may be.

He's gone now. His music will live on, but he's had the big memorial service. There will be new releases of his music as well as a film of the performance he didn't live to perform live to keep his fans happy for years to come, and enrich his estate into the $Billions.

His family is mostly screwed up and dysfunctional. That's apparent in his relationship with them when he was alive. He provided for many of them, yet he screwed over the brothers regarding their recording contracts that he held and their music that he refused to release, thereby rendering them incapable of selling their own music. And now that he is gone, I just think it is totally inappropriate for them to profit off MJ's death, especially if the focus is going to be on their grief!

I am not an MJ worshipper, though I can appreciate his talent of the 80s before he became so weird.

I just prefer to admire Mother Theresa, Tim Russert, Tony Snow, Gandhi, Pope John-Paul II, Martin Luther King, John Ritter and a host of other famous people who have gone before.
post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I agree that Michael Jackson gave lots of money to charities and causes that benefited children. He also had a tremendous talent. I'll give him all that credit. But he was no saint.

He gave something much more important than money, he gave of himself, constantly, can you or I say the same, can we even come close?

He was an unrepentent, unapologetic drug addict who paid huge bucks to physicians and pharmacies to keep the monkey on his back. For decades he denied he had a problem and refused treatment. That is a rotten role model for a parent and a person who claimed to love children.

He was a man that couldn't sleep and IMO that does not fit the mold of drug addict. He did not live his life under the infulence and anyone that knows him, you have never heard one person say they EVER say him drugged out.

And then there is the child molestation issue, which I'm not sure he was "innocent" even though a jury found him "not guilty," however moot that point may be.

And now, we come to the true crux of the matter, why didn't you just say that is why you don't like him and save us much trouble?
Michael Jackson was found innocent in a court of law. He did not molest that boy with cancer that he paid all his medical bills for like he did so many others. And I think we all remember the evidence against the boy's gold digging mother.
And as for Jordan Chandler in 1993, I think the taped phone conversation that surfaced of his father discussing the plot to extort money from MJ makes that one moot, added to the fact that Jordan Chandler, when he came of age said his father made him say those things and that MJ had not molested him.


He's gone now. His music will live on, but he's had the big memorial service. There will be new releases of his music as well as a film of the performance he didn't live to perform live to keep his fans happy for years to come, and enrich his estate into the $Billions.

His family is mostly screwed up and dysfunctional.
That is just your opinion and you haven't given one iota of evidence to support it, so, in reality the fair thing to say is, IMO.....
That's apparent in his relationship with them when he was alive.
What is apparent, be specific, tell us some specifics.

He provided for many of them, yet he screwed over the brothers regarding their recording contracts that he held and their music that he refused to release, thereby rendering them incapable of selling their own music.
I have no idea what you are talking about here, please provide some proof, some links, something, anything.

And now that he is gone, I just think it is totally inappropriate for them to profit off MJ's death, especially if the focus is going to be on their grief!

Well, if he really would have "screwed over the brothers" than wouldn't they just be getting back what was owed? I do not think for one moment he screwed over his brothers.
This is all just your opinion, with nothing to back it up, which is fine but don't come out acting like you are stating facts because you are not.


I am not an MJ worshipper, though I can appreciate his talent of the 80s before he became so weird.

Another opinion only.

I just prefer to admire Mother Theresa, Tim Russert, Tony Snow, Gandhi, Pope John-Paul II, Martin Luther King, John Ritter and a host of other famous people who have gone before.
Give me a list of what John Ritter and Tony Snow and Tim Russert have done for their fellow man that even comes close to MJ. (Not saying they weren't good men, I think they were)
As for the Pope John Paul, yes he was a good Pope, I will give him that. But he also covered up for pedophile priests along with dozens of Cardinals and Bishops the world over and we know that for a FACT.
post #48 of 50
No he wasn't found "innocent". He was found "not guilty." There is a big legal difference. They are not synonymous.

http://www.massbar.org/about-the-mba...-mean-innocent

I don't dispute that MJ gave lots and lots of money to many worthwhile causes, but he also stiffed lots and lots of people he legitimately owed money to, and the only way many of these people ever got paid was to sue.

MJ was no saint. But regardless of how you feel about him, it takes a certain kind of callousness to pimp your dead brother, which is what the Jackson family appears to be doing.

http://www.rhymeswithsnitch.com/2009...lity-show.html

MJ was a full blown drug addict that got his junk from the doctors, not off the streets. As a parent and a role model for children, I believe it was irresponsible of him to keep begging for more and more drugs rather than to seek treatment and work toward recovery. I don't care how much money and power a person has, the fact is that he CHOSE to be a parent, and that responsibility should have been first and foremost in his priorities, not drugs.

But the subject here is this reality show, and not MJ's drug habit. I won't be watching. It's interesting that another forum I post, everyone there agrees that this reality show is stooping to new lows, even for this family.

And this from last August:
http://www.taletela.com/news/358/mic...in-three-years
post #49 of 50
Seriously? Having tons of money and not being able to sleep, do not, in my opinion give anyone the right to purchase illegal drugs. Dusty's Mom, I can't help it: I'm agreeing with you all the way here.
post #50 of 50
Friends, I think we've strayed far enough from the Family's reality show, don't you think? If you want to discuss aspects of MJ's history, please either start a thread about it, or do it privately. This one's about the family's reality show. Thanks.
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