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Michael Jackson's Death Ruled a Homicide!

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The toxicology reports are in and it's now official that Michael received a lethal dose of that Propofol medication. The charges would be "criminal negligence causing harm" or "manslaughter."
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I figured the Dr caused it.
I hope he gets what he deserves for causing him to die.
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well... what else is new? I was waitiing for this. Actualy I was not waiting, I dont care that much.
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This sucks It makes me feel even more sorry that Michael Jackson is dead. I appreciate this thread, since I hear E! talking about him all the time but it seems like they say too much speculation and not even facts...I'm glad someone posted when an actual fact came up, otherwise I'd have thought it was another one of the millions rumors..
ETA: I just saw them talking about this on CNN. I am so shocked that the doctor could do this..it's so sad that someone would use their medical license to act like a drug dealer Even sadder that he had to have known the potential for Michael to die from that dose but still administered it
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Just the mere thought of being put to sleep by that drug sends shivers through me I was thinking this morning when it was on the news, how on earth would he have woken up in an emergency?....He couldn't!, because i'm sure i heard them say there was no reversal drug for it.
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It isn't official yet. I wish they would make it official.

I'm still so sad about this, poor Michael.
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
It isn't official yet. I wish they would make it official.

I'm still so sad about this, poor Michael.
Yeah.... It is awful... In every level... very sad...
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by binkyhoo View Post
well... what else is new? I was waitiing for this. Actualy I was not waiting, I dont care that much.
That's rather cold, don't you think? To say that you're not a Michael Jackson fan is one thing: not everyone is. But to say that you don't care about such a tragedy is something else. How do you think his kids would feel if they came across such a comment concerning their dad like that?


I'm just sick to my stomach over Michael's death. It's such a senseless tragedy. It's been difficult enough accepting the fact that's he's gone, but to officially hear that his death could have been avoided just sickens me. All because of some incompetent doctor.

My only consolation over this tragedy is knowing that Michael is finally at peace....
post #10 of 20
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Here is a time line of what happened and what drugs he was given and the times they were given.

Any doctor in their right mind would know that those drugs, doses and times of administration would cause the person to stop breathing!

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619446/20090825/jackson_michael.jhtml
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
Just the mere thought of being put to sleep by that drug sends shivers through me I was thinking this morning when it was on the news, how on earth would he woken up in an emergency?....He couldn't!, because i'm sure i heard them say there was no reversal drug for it.
My understanding is that you wake up within moments of pulling out the IV. At least that is how it worked when I had my colonoscopy. The issue is that when you administer this drug, it must be constantly monitored, because breathing can stop = death. This doctor wasn't even in the room while the drug was being administered. I can't see why there is any controversy. He administered a dangerous drug outside a hospital setting, for which he had no advanced training, and didn't follow legitimate procedure. I don't care how much MJ begged him, he should have refused. But this doctor is/was a celebrity whore. And MJ was a pansy wimp who begged and bribed doctors to give him his drugs of choice. His own dangerous behavior and intimidation was just as responsible as Dr. Murray for his own death. He might as well have committed suicide.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by KittKatt View Post
That's rather cold, don't you think? To say that you're not a Michael Jackson fan is one thing: not everyone is. But to say that you don't care about such a tragedy is something else. How do you think his kids would feel if they came across such a comment concerning their dad like that?


I'm just sick to my stomach over Michael's death. It's such a senseless tragedy. It's been difficult enough accepting the fact that's he's gone, but to officially hear that his death could have been avoided just sickens me. All because of some incompetent doctor.

My only consolation over this tragedy is knowing that Michael is finally at peace....
I totally agree with you. Especially the "sick to my stomach" part.
It is, absolutely, amazing how many fans Michael has. Every, single article on TMZ has HUNDREDS of comments by the time the article is an hour old.
On Face Book that are dozens of Michael Jackson sites.

The thousands of You Tube video's are extraordinary and every one of them have hundreds of comments.

I read that they took all the momento's left by mourners at this house in Gary, Indiana and filled two vaults and had a burial of them both with a gravestone marker and everything.

I could go on and on and on. I have never seen anything like this, even when Elvis died. People love Michael so much.
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
My understanding is that you wake up within moments of pulling out the IV. At least that is how it worked when I had my colonoscopy. The issue is that when you administer this drug, it must be constantly monitored, because breathing can stop = death. This doctor wasn't even in the room while the drug was being administered. I can't see why there is any controversy. He administered a dangerous drug outside a hospital setting, for which he had no advanced training, and didn't follow legitimate procedure. I don't care how much MJ begged him, he should have refused. But this doctor is/was a celebrity whore. And MJ was a pansy wimp who begged and bribed doctors to give him his drugs of choice. His own dangerous behavior and intimidation was just as responsible as Dr. Murray for his own death. He might as well have committed suicide.
I beg your pardon, Michael Jackson was hardly a "pansy wimp".

Try not being able to sleep for days on end and tell me how you feel.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I beg your pardon, Michael Jackson was hardly a "pansy wimp".

Try not being able to sleep for days on end and tell me how you feel.


Michael Jackson was desperate for sleep, but I would hardly call him a "pansy wimp". Suffering from insomnia isn't any fun. I suffer with it myself: if you go too long w/o sleep, you begin to hallucinate...

I agree that Michael needed to be more responsible for his own health and had severe issues, but I hardly think he intentionally committed suicide. It's the doctor's responsiblity to say "NO!" It's bad enough he gave MJ diprivan to sleep, but on top of everything else? And when he didn't have the training to do so? Furthermore, Murray KNOWS he's guilty, or else he wouldn't have told all those lies and tried to cover up his tracks. His greed got the best of him: He obviously didn't care about putting Michael in jeopardy, or he wouldn't have done it. I hope he burns in
post #15 of 20
This was posted in the comment section of the timeline article that I found very interesting.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161..._michael.jhtml


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I have used the drug propofol on ICU patients who are intubated for the purpose of keeping them sedated so they can easily tolerate the intubation. Many times the patients are intubated for 2 or more weeks with continuous 24hr around the clock use of propofol. I am not aware of any incident of propofol addiction from which the patient must be weaned by decreasing the dose over a period of days. When patients are taken off propofol after continuous, 24-hr use, they are simply weaned over the period of say 1-2 hours and then the drug is simply stopped with no know untoward effects to my knowledge.
By the way, the purpose of weaning in the medical community is to avoid anticipated untoward effects i.e. withdrawals, or life threatening changes in any vital signs. Propofol has none that I know of. You turn the drug off, the patient wakes up. Because the drug causes amnesia they don't even remember being on the drug so there is no cravings for the drug.

This weaning concept that Dr. Murray is talking about is totally unfamiliar to me of why he thought he needed to wean MJ off propofol. There are no medical reasons that would dictate a weaning protocol which would override his need to be judicious in his use of other sedating agents which might prove life threatening. Dr. Murrary is playing on the ignorance of lay persons and the judicial system.

The prosecutors in this case really need medical consultants to help them wade through the "bull" because there seems to be a lot of it. Further, the deep sedation that propofol causes does not allow the brain to be aware of the passage of time, so I seriously doubt any claims of dependency on the drug because unless you are aware that you have slept for 4 hours and/or have had that REM sleep, is there really a feeling of being rested to get an addiction to .

Anesthatized/sedated and sleep are different and I don't see it being possible to develop a dependence on an anesthesia agent. None of the dialogue that I have heard sounds like Dr. Murray did any of the things he would be expected to do by a panel of his peers.

In my mind Dr. Murray has definitely as a minimum "lost his licence to practice medicine" as he has seriously called into question his ability to practice it safely. 2mg of Lorazepam to this 120lb man followed by 2 mg of versed an hour later is insane. This is extreme reckless behavior.

I don't buy the tolerance story. I don't even buy the "abuse of drugs for years" story. They intentionally killed this man. It is vividly obvious. This is murder 1 and Dr. Murray is not the only perpetrator.

LA POLICE you have a gold star so far but you have a long way to go. Don't be afraid. You have "right" on your side and it will always prevail. It does not matter how much money they have, they are still not immune. You must prove this to the world. Because you know, this is the issue here.

They are trying to reserve the right to commit murder because they are rich. At stake here is the life, legacy and estate of every rich person, every entertainer in American at the whim on another rich person. All they have to do seemingly, is allege drug abuse--whether it is true or not. In MJ's case I really do not believe it is true. It can't be. No perponderance of evidence points to drugs abuse for years. Only allegations. And believe me, if there was drug abuse for years there would be a perponderace of evidence of such--look at Anna Nicole Smith, there was no question. In MJs case, there is a reasonable doubt.
post #16 of 20
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I beg your pardon, Michael Jackson was hardly a "pansy wimp".

Try not being able to sleep for days on end and tell me how you feel.
I agree he was not a pansy wimp... and I also think like any normal person, MJ put his trust in his doctor....
He may have known on an unconscious level that he had an addiction but the fact that the doctor kept prescribing the drugs justified him taking them...it made him less worried of dying of an OD when he had a doctor there, he didn't just go out in the streets buying ecstasy and risking his death since anyone knows one ecstacy pill has killed people before. Few people have died from taking a prescribed medication exactly as directed with their doctor present unless it's murder or negligence...
Yes, there is a possibility that MJ begged for the drugs but that doesn't change anything. A certified physician has great authority in every normal person's eyes..
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by Pami View Post
This was posted in the comment section of the timeline article that I found very interesting.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161..._michael.jhtml
That is very interesting..
I always wondered before even reading this, how Michael was able to function in everyday life by taking anesthesia and sedatives, because I know for a fact sleep and sedation are different and sleep gives you rest while sedation doesn't necessarily provide the energy that sleep does. So I was thinking, we see him dancing on stage rehearsing a day earlier, I just don't know how anyone who has not had any real sleep, only been sedated by his doctor day after day like Dr. Murray said he'd been doing can perform like this..I dunno but I think there is something off with that ..
Seein Dr. Murray's face just sickens me now. Imagining the guilt he lives with and the anticipation of an arrest...while still trying to keep an innocent face in front of everyone and say that he did nothing wrong. YUCK!
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by KittKat
That's rather cold, don't you think? To say that you're not a Michael Jackson fan is one thing: not everyone is. But to say that you don't care about such a tragedy is something else. How do you think his kids would feel if they came across such a comment concerning their dad like that?


I'm just sick to my stomach over Michael's death. It's such a senseless tragedy. It's been difficult enough accepting the fact that's he's gone, but to officially hear that his death could have been avoided just sickens me. All because of some incompetent doctor.
Exactly... This is so much to take in... Sickening and extreamly depressing. If he could only see how many people love him, like they do now. Why did it take this, him dying, for people to get over the "Wacko Jacko" crap?

Pami, thaks for posting that article. I just hope if that is true, that it will come to light.

I have a sickening feeling that Murry (why call him Dr?) will wiggle his way out of this, and only lose his license with a small slap on the wrist.
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
And MJ was a pansy wimp who begged and bribed doctors to give him his drugs of choice.
That remark is really below the belt!.
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Originally Posted by Pami View Post
This was posted in the comment section of the timeline article that I found very interesting.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161..._michael.jhtml
Pami, thank you so much for posting this, you have given me some research to do now.

I, also, do not believe Michael was an addict. Look at Anna Nicole, you could tell she was an addict when she was alive.
Michael Jackson wasn't looking for a buzz, you never saw him out of it.
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